The last decade of chaos came exactly from that. Divisions from Brexit and backroom deals. For heavens sake JRM was on the front bench. Ultimate chaos!
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The last decade of chaos came exactly from that. Divisions from Brexit and backroom deals. For heavens sake JRM was on the front bench. Ultimate chaos!
I get that, and I do not blame you. I think they have moved back to the centre left with this, and many of these policies are ones I support in any event.
They were and that was Nick Clegg to be fair. As a party they surely know that if they went into a coalition and bent over again with nothing to show for it they would be absolutely finished.
Some old biddy on the TV. Lifelong Conservative voter.
She's going to vote Labour this time, or Reform, hasn't decided yet.
feck me.
She's going to vote Labour this time, or Reform, hasn't decided yet.
feck me.
I have to say I was quite impressed by what I read from the Lib Dem manifesto. Think they've earned my vote.
Annoyingly I live in a Lab-Tory battleground seat but feck it, better than not voting.
Annoyingly I live in a Lab-Tory battleground seat but feck it, better than not voting.
Parties get state funding based on number of votes as long as they are above a certain threshold. Your vote is never wasted completely, even aside from the message the parties' vote shares could send about what people want.
Good grief
After 2016, when the public failed the test, politicians knew they could say anything and expect people to swallow it - and they will.
Parties can change. Labour are a pre brexit style centre-right party now and have booted out anyone in the party that might be able to drag them towards the centre-left. Not that they would have been able to do much anyway if Labour get a huge majority. Given the continued centralisation of power to the leaders inner circle.
If by some miracle, the Libs actually became the official oposition, they'd be attacking Labour from the left. Which should show just how far the Overton window has been allowed to shift without affective left opposition for the past 4/5 years.
If it's the Tories plus Nigel Farage's hecklers forming the opposition then God help us. The country will be dragged so hard to the right that Starmer will be labelled a left wing looney and Tony Blair a communist.
I liked him at the end here, liking the tooth fairy policy he has going on. Seems to make sense?
Sunak/Starmer is on a par with Biden/Trump in terms of being completely uninspiring. Is this the best on offer?
Clearly Labour will win a landslide while barely achieving 20% of the popular vote - I expect turnout to be dismal - and Sir Keir (the Friday version - he's like Jackanory where there was a new story every day) will claim he has a clear mandate for every stupid policy imaginable. The Tories are terrible, and need to get a good kicking in order to reinvent themselves or be replaced. Everybody else is irrelevant in the discussion over who becomes PM.
Clearly Labour will win a landslide while barely achieving 20% of the popular vote - I expect turnout to be dismal - and Sir Keir (the Friday version - he's like Jackanory where there was a new story every day) will claim he has a clear mandate for every stupid policy imaginable. The Tories are terrible, and need to get a good kicking in order to reinvent themselves or be replaced. Everybody else is irrelevant in the discussion over who becomes PM.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of you. But when you've been burned once it's hard to forgive and forget.
In 2010 I think the Lib Dems were to the Left of Labour in some policies but it didn't stop them jumping into bed with the Tories the first chance they got at power. I'll never forget the sight of that first press conference, Clegg was just like a clone of Cameron. I get the party have moved on, I don't mind Davey, but you don't know which way he'll jump if given the chance. I could even forgive Clegg if he had held the line at electoral reform.
I'm genuinely finding it difficult to make up my mind who to vote for, other than the fact it won't be Tory.
He had to go without Sky TV. He gets it.
Leftists:
Sunaks hardship in life is missing out on sky news = I sleep
Calling keir, "Keith" = REAL SHIT
The media are as complicit as anyone else. Suddenly we see them holding the Tories to account after 14 years knowing they are not going to be in power. Bar a few good journalists, the rest are just as bad as the politicians.
I'll be honest, I just spent a weekend in London and I was extremely surprised at how bad its gotten.
I'm not sure if it happened slowly or quickly or what. But right under everyone's nose it is clear that the situation has gotten out of hand.
I'm not sure what you can call it other than an invasion. They are absolutely everywhere. There is always at least one of them in your line of vision at any given time. It was quite jarring.
I'm not sure if it happened slowly or quickly or what. But right under everyone's nose it is clear that the situation has gotten out of hand.
I'm not sure what you can call it other than an invasion. They are absolutely everywhere. There is always at least one of them in your line of vision at any given time. It was quite jarring.
Like, why the feck do you need that many Pret A Manger's?
Who are They?
Sunak is either just outright stupid and out of touch or he's purposefully self sabotaging.
Hunting for a few Tory votes there, distancing himself from the lunatic extremes that scare people away.
Labour appear to have no plan so far. A bunch of beige nothing policies with the odd crazy thrown in to curry favour from Momentum and the other nutters on the edges of the party that he needs support from. Starmer took it too literally when people said all he has to do to win is not be a Tory. If/when they win I could see him getting dragged all over the place.
It will be Lib Dems for me at this point. I was planning to vote Labour for the first time ever but i think they've managed to talk me out of it.
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Yeah, likely Lib Dems for me too.
I liked most of thier manifesto.
I liked most of thier manifesto.
LibCafe
Always check the spoiler!
Now I understand thank you.
He did hold the line at electoral reform, we had a referendum on changing to AV. The public overwhelmingly voted to stick with FPTP.
Granted AV is pretty crap and complicated and some form of PR would of been much better.
I'm fairness to clegg and 2010, what could they do? Not join a coalition and leave a weak minority Tory government in power and find that absolutely nothing gets done, as the country crashes into further debt and recession. Or join in with the Tories hold them back from there worst policies manage to enact some of your own policies and actually be a part of easily the best government of the last 14 years.
By 2015 the country was in a much better place than it was in 2010 there was a decent fiscal recovery happening, then kicked the libs into touch gave the Tories a couple of majorities, voted for Brexit, left the EU and utterly screwed ourselves over all while labour was attempting it's left socialism phase that got them absolutely nowhere.
If only we had stuck with the lib dems somewhat, maybe we could have avoided the chaos of the last 8 years.
I wonder if he knew immediately how stupid that sounds, or if he's really so out of touch that he thought it was a good answer.
They can also make people appear who are not there as well, standing shoulder to shoulder, or maybe it was a figment of that man's imagination. Anyone who has been to Kettering will know the truth.
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