What happens when a party can't attract middle or working class voters.
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Whatever the problem is, it's been obvious for a while that he's not part of the solution.
This is what I find truly baffling. London will do the same in the ge
And until you solve the second part, whoever replaces him, you will be saying the exact same thing about within a month.
Corbyn has managed to find a way to convince the middle class that they're part of the one 1% he's after.
Who was it on radio that couldn't give a straight answer as to whether taxes on people earning £70k a year should be increased?
Easier for people to moan about Corbyn though, some on here genuinely disagree with him and i can respect that others are just lazy in their opinion. I don't regret voting for Corbyn im 100% confident Labour wouldn't be in a significantly better position and i feel he'sat least pushed a platform i agree with. I also know people previously uninterested in politics become interested in Corbyn, they're not suddenly active but they listen to what he says and wonder why he's attacked.
So you have a scouser as major 
People earning £70K plus are in the top 5% of earners in the country. The idea that taxing them would be hitting millions of middle england stalwarts is patently idiotic.
You keep saying 'corbyn has'.
What about the media that is being used to convince people that targeting the top 5% will affect them? As I have said, you can see the problem of media bias, then use their attacks on corbyn to attack him yourself, apparently without any irony.
If all they're going to do is wear a different colour rosette while pledging the same old rubbish, so be it. Without running for a position myself, the only direct thing I can do politically is vote and I'd much sooner vote for something I believe in than an random choice purely against something I don't. Unless there was a major difference in a key policy, I would probably focus my vote to the reverse that I will be doing at this election and put local issues before party policies post-Corbyn, purely because no party will offer me anything with the latter.
That's the problem. People earning £70k are already squeezed. Why would you lump someone earning £70k a year with someone earning £500k a year?
Same here, if only everyone thought like this the political landscape would look different.
If people are saying he couldn't run the country are they also saying may can?
Jesus christ, they are in the top 5% of earners in the country, if they are squeezed how do you think the bottom 5% are doing?
I've already shown today not only are they not squeezed, they actually pay less tax, right now, than the poorest. Even an increase of 5% tax on those earners would still only place them in parity with the lowest earners in terms of their tax burden.
As I said, you are repeating arguments put forth in the media and blaming corbyn, when the arguments are lies in the first place. You are a living, breathing demonstration of my point about Labour's real problem.
I'm not saying they're resentful of the rich, that's a whole different thing, really. I just think there's a lot of the "My life's the most important, you all want to hear what I'm doing, if it's not directly related to me it's stupid, therefore old folk are irrelevant" type of thing going on with some younger people. I blame social media.
Of course, not all old people are paragons of virtue. However, they at least have some experience of a life lived, however they've lived it.
To be fair about the Edinburgh result I mentioned for the Tories, we use STV up here which means it's more proportional. Still a huge majority did not vote Tory. Nothing like the sheer decimation down south.
I'm not saying they're resentful of the rich, that's a whole different thing, really. I just think there's a lot of the "My life's the most important, you all want to hear what I'm doing, if it's not directly related to me it's stupid, therefore old folk are irrelevant" type of thing going on with some younger people. I blame social media.
Of course, not all old people are paragons of virtue. However, they at least have some experience of a life lived, however they've lived it.
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These youngsters also want everything good and want it for free, they need to spend some time down the pit and stop lazing around at uni.
Is this a joke?
I'm not saying they're resentful of the rich, that's a whole different thing, really. I just think there's a lot of the "My life's the most important, you all want to hear what I'm doing, if it's not directly related to me it's stupid, therefore old folk are irrelevant" type of thing going on with some younger people. I blame social media.
Of course, not all old people are paragons of virtue. However, they at least have some experience of a life lived, however they've lived it.
I'd say it's more a case of the Internet Generation Vs the Non Internet Generation.
I'd love to know how many of the Older Generation actually talk to their Children and Grand Children about politics and brexit. I see so many soundbites of older people claiming they're voting Brexit/Tories to get the country back for their Children... I wonder how many actually asked them if that's what they wanted...?
That's a good point.
63% of the UK are on less than the average income. They should vote Labour.
In my admittedly limited experience, very few. When I go to watch the non-league team I follow, the group around us is almost exclusively grandparents and their grandkids and when the topic of Brexit came up at the start of pre-season, it was pretty clear that for a few of them it was the first time they'd heard how the other had voted.
Pretty close to the truth to be fair. Im approaching 30 so im probably not a 'youngsters' anymore but even my generation have a very high sense of entitlement. We're promised a lot, expect a lot and given so little. On top of that the generation below me feel the need to market their life on social media, no wonder there's so many mental health issues.
Disagree with the hard work unless he's specifically saying physical graft in which i agree
Tories just won the West Midlands mayoralty.
Is that a surprise? Lots of wealthy market towns round there.
Big business executive wins for the Tories in the mayor election.
No doubt helped by the ridiculous 1 million pounds he spent on his campaign.
No doubt helped by the ridiculous 1 million pounds he spent on his campaign.
Don't know about nationwide, but in my city I've not had a single leaflet for the local elections, or a visit, or even seen a poster in a window.
So where the new army of Corbyn-enthused Labour activists are who knows, not near me at any rate.
So where the new army of Corbyn-enthused Labour activists are who knows, not near me at any rate.
FINAL SCOTTISH RESULTS
SNP
431 Seats Change −7
Conservative
276 Seats Change +164
Labour
262 Seats Change −133
Liberal Democrat
67 Seats Change −3
Green
19 Seats Change +5
Independent
172 Seats Change −26
Still haven't quite endorsed the Tories, thank feck. Close though, worrying times ahead.
SNP
431 Seats Change −7
Conservative
276 Seats Change +164
Labour
262 Seats Change −133
Liberal Democrat
67 Seats Change −3
Green
19 Seats Change +5
Independent
172 Seats Change −26
Still haven't quite endorsed the Tories, thank feck. Close though, worrying times ahead.
Yeah, should've been a relatively comfortable win.
I am hoping this is the kick up the arse the young generation needs to get out and vote on 8th June.
I don't like Jeremy Corbyn at all. I blame him for Labour's demise and more and have made it clear so many times, but if the alternative is Tories then I'll have 10 of him. How can this country vote Tories?
I flirted with the idea early on after May's coronation because what she was saying seemed likeable but I felt disgusted in myself as time went on that I was decived by the same old Tories. Wolves in sheeps clothing!!
I hope many more will feel the same way and go out to put this ridiculousness right!
Turnout for the region overall was 26.1%.
Halton: 20.5%
Knowsley: 22.7%
Liverpool: 28.6%
Sefton: 26.9%
St. Helens: 22.9%
Wirral: 27.8%
Dismal turnout.
Conservatives will have way more seats than that and Labour closer to 150.
That's basically the best case scenario isn't it?
Would this suggest that the SNP are likely to lose a few seats in the general, or that their position is stronger as the opposition is now more evenly split?
Minor upside to the election would be the SNP slightly losing their perceived mandate, and slowing down talk of another bloody referendum.
Think it's based on people voting the same as they did yesterday, which would be an 11 point lead.
