General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
'Village People comeback scuppered by PM'
 
Quite funny how they keep reminding us that the Brexit negotiations will be very difficult. Reminding us every time that our pack of fcukheads will be responsible for what we get out of it.

P.s. Who are these teenagers who stand behind party leaders at their speeches, nodding along with agreement. Go out and drink vodka in the street like a real bloody person of your age!
 
Quite funny how they keep reminding us that the Brexit negotiations will be very difficult. Reminding us every time that our pack of fcukheads will be responsible for what we get out of it.

P.s. Who are these teenagers who stand behind party leaders at their speeches, nodding along with agreement. Go out and drink vodka in the street like a real bloody person of your age!

Meh, good on them for being active in politics. It's quite possible to show an interest in it as a subject while still enjoying yourself, too.
 
I'm not going to bother voting this year. Can't bring myself to vote conservative and labour are a laughing stock.
 
Diane Abbott and John McDonnell are about as bad as you could possibly get. Their appointment was bad enough but his refusal to accept it and get rid of them is even more damning.

Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Andrea Leadsom and David Davis say hi.
 
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Sub-optimal, unless there's a big increase in small donations.

 
I hadn't actually seen this earlier



So she does seem to be doing some interaction, which makes it extra bizarre that they're being so weird at staged visits.
 
Corbyn in 2015: "When we celebrate - and it is a cause for celebration - the achievements of Venezuela in jobs, in housing, in health, in education but above all its role in the whole world as a completely different place, then we do that because we recognise what they have achieved and how they are trying to achieve it; but we also have to recognise that there are some very powerful forces that are trying to destroy all of that.(...)"

:drool: Why wouldn't you want to be a little bit more like Venezuela, that turned from one of the richest countries in the region to one of the poorest. Their tourist advertisement probably reads: "Socialism of the 21th century: we are all starving now together."

Dunno why anyone wouldn't support poor old Jeremy. After all, he has his heart at the right place. What could possibly go wrong, especially when you consider, that he is the moderate guy compared to McDonnell.
 
Corbyn in 2015: "When we celebrate - and it is a cause for celebration - the achievements of Venezuela in jobs, in housing, in health, in education but above all its role in the whole world as a completely different place, then we do that because we recognise what they have achieved and how they are trying to achieve it; but we also have to recognise that there are some very powerful forces that are trying to destroy all of that.(...)"

:drool: Why wouldn't you want to be a little bit more like Venezuela, that turned from one of the richest countries in the region to one of the poorest. Their tourist advertisement probably reads: "Socialism of the 21th century: we are all starving now together."

Dunno why anyone wouldn't support poor old Jeremy. After all, he has his heart at the right place. What could possibly go wrong, especially when you consider, that he is the moderate guy compared to McDonnell.

After Ed Milliband got smashed in the 2015 for being too left wing 'red Ed', the left in Labour decided that we needed to go further Left with Jez. I bet you that when Jez gets destroyed they will vote McDonnell in next.
 
Was it the immigration mugs, being against striking or the promise of being tougher than the Tories on welfare that gave Ed away as the reincarnation of Karl Marx?

It was more the mansion tax and the narrative that the Labour Party were against ambition and aspiration that hurt him most.

Still, you just don't get that anything beyond centre left has no chance of winning in the the U.K. for the foreseeable.
 
It was more the mansion tax and the narrative that the Labour Party were against ambition and aspiration that hurt him most.

Still, you just don't get that anything beyond centre left has no chance of winning in the the U.K. for the foreseeable.
So immigration mugs, being against striking, saying you're not the party of those on benefits and that you'll be tougher than the right wing party on welfare but also annoying Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre isn't even centre left? Christ, are up and down still the ways they used to be?
 
Oh gawd, not ''ambition & aspiration'' - we'll be claiming it's available to everybody next up, :wenger:.
 
This is exactly the problem. Luckily most people don't know much about John McDonnell at the moment, but I worry that is going to change over the next month.
Oh I'm worried to and I think it could be a problem.
And likewise, people aren't going to want a man who wants to ferment the downfall of capitalism to be the Chancellor.
Looking at the polls, it's pretty clear they don't. My point was only that it's slightly odd why some are expecting Mcdonnell to change now and that they are getting worked up over this incident(a couple of flags). It's bizarre.
This seems a step removed from the 'Corbyn isn't radical left' argument...
Hasn't the argument been that the polices Corbyn wants to be in place aren't partially radical(The polices are really not radical at all.)

What would be your reaction when May speaks in front of a crowd with Swastika flags, and portraits of Mussolini, Pétain, Franco and Hideki? You’d honestly tell me, that this wouldn’t bother you? It should.
I'll firstly congratulate the Tories for their honesty.

but from a view of rationality vs irrationality. Not acknowledging reality is fairly irrational.
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Christ almighty, not this horse shit.
 
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It's funny that people cite the immigration mugs as an example of Ed not being a lefty. That was an example of horrendous presentation rather than policy, they weren't really proposing much in the way of controls on immigration at all, it was just vacuous stuff meant to placate the anti-immigration sentiment amongst certain sections of support whilst offering very little on it (in handy mug form).

Whereas right now, Labour policy is to end freedom of movement.
 
They willingly accept tourists? Someone should send the Appeaser over there to crack down on that for them.

They offer an adventure trip for middle class socialist hipsters.
First you have to sneak across the boarder; don't let them capture you or they'll accuse you of being an american spy and throw you in prison (if you are lucky).
Once you are in the country, you have to find work. Easier said than done. You'll have to learn how to bribe your local party stooges. Makes sure you'll share the lion-share of your earnings after the work...well....they'll just take it from you, so you don't have to worry about that.
Next step is get something to eat. You can chose between "standing in a line for days", "sucking some fat-cat's cock" or good old "free4all fist-fight for a pack of flour". They'll allow you to chose differently each day. Quite nice.
As evening entertainment you are going to experience what happens when somebody denounces you as opposition ("they saw you watching Friends american propaganda). So you'll see some friendly neighbourhood gorillas coming around, who are willing to give you a happy slapping. This part is called "the helping hand". If you prove loyal enough, you'll be allowed to participate on the other side; who doesn't want to kick the shit out of an innocent peasant american capitalist collaborators?
Once thats over you are encouraged to witness the safety and prosperity of your city by night. You'll go on a nightly stroll, trying to dodge violent gangs. It is a bit like an obstacle course, just with people shooting at you, but don't worry. If you get hit, you are able to utilize free health care. It is free in the sense, that there is no medicine or modern equipment. They just liberated it from these tools of capitalist oppression. This step is called "casino", because the odds that you actually make it are stacked against you.
If you make it to this point, you'll be allowed to visit education camp. Comrade Corbyn demonstrates how great socialism is. He is sipping champaign and babbling about Fidel, while you have to work on the field. It is just for your best; it helps to form your character. When you are lucky they'll show you a live-stream of some hard working union organiser enjoying the upper class lifestyle, while representing some poor sods like yourself (well not really like yourself; after all it is just vacation and you are just LARPing, but the people, who have to actually live there). The peasants would be lost without someone speaking for them. Additionally, he is a great role model for aspiring scallywags socialists.

The rest is about doing very little, because you are not allowed to without permission of the dear leader. Oh...and a lot of starving. Day after day after day. Thats kind of it.

I can hook you up, if you are interested.
 
It was more the mansion tax and the narrative that the Labour Party were against ambition and aspiration that hurt him most.

Still, you just don't get that anything beyond centre left has no chance of winning in the the U.K. for the foreseeable.

To be fair to Corbyn, from an economical POV I'm not too sure he's not centre-left at all; for the most part he supports increasing taxes in an attempt to ensure the NHS is well-funded, that streets are well-policed, and that inequality is reduced with an increased level of fairness for all. That's not particularly outlandish or absurd at all, and notably during the rerun of the leadership election last autumn Owen Smith couldn't actually find a lot policy wise he disagreed with in regards to Corbyn. Although to be fair, how he's going to cost these policies has largely been absent from the campaign so far, as evidenced by Abbott's atrocious interview today.

The problem, or the issues on which he's perceived to be hard-left, tends to be on his social views; his association or appreciation for communist-type dictators who should be condemned, his soft stance on the Falklands, his association with the IRA, and a lot of the people he surrounds himself with. Which is why he should even realise himself he's not helping the party, and that he'd perhaps be better getting behind someone like Clive Lewis who has a cleaner background.
 
I'm beginning to wonder how Theresa May has advanced this far while lacking all ability to interact & debate. And is apparently a control freak. I could see her interviewing well where it's one candidate at a time & non political smalltalk in their circles, she is probably quite astute too & discreet. Also quite funny in some ways, and I warm to her nervousness slightly, tbh. In preference to the effortless arrogance & easy smarm of her predecessor anyway.

I mean her wobble at the nurses / food bank thing was through gritted teeth when the mentioned the 'complexities' of the situation.

I'm not meaning that the Conservative (May's) roadmap here isn't blatant Tory politicking motivated by craven self-interest for the Establishment & their 'chums' but she may not quite be that ''Old Tory'' like what it appears, atm.

Post election & post Brexit, the Tories are gonna start squabbling again as well. Insufficient levels of racism, not enough blatantly obvious shitting on the feckless, unable & plain old have-nots, stuff like that.
 
To be fair to Corbyn, from an economical POV I'm not too sure he's not centre-left at all; for the most part he supports increasing taxes in an attempt to ensure the NHS is well-funded, that streets are well-policed, and that inequality is reduced with an increased level of fairness for all. That's not particularly outlandish or absurd at all, and notably during the rerun of the leadership election last autumn Owen Smith couldn't actually find a lot policy wise he disagreed with in regards to Corbyn. Although to be fair, how he's going to cost these policies has largely been absent from the campaign so far, as evidenced by Abbott's atrocious interview today.

The problem, or the issues on which he's perceived to be hard-left, tends to be on his social views; his association or appreciation for communist-type dictators who should be condemned, his soft stance on the Falklands, his association with the IRA, and a lot of the people he surrounds himself with. Which is why he should even realise himself he's not helping the party, and that he'd perhaps be better getting behind someone like Clive Lewis who has a cleaner background.
The first par sounds reasonable on many levels, but Abbott, fwiw, suggested all of this is going to be funded by CGT increases, so taxing the wealth creators and employers of millions. That's the main thing I hate about Labour. They seem to despise anyone who gets rich, even if they employ thousands and treat them well in the process.