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How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Classical Mechanic said:
What is his reasoning behind this? Wouldn't it be advantageous to make use of a platform that last election reached 7 million people?

Is there any bigger platform out there?
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At a guess, they think that he'd turn into the go-to punchbag for the others without May there.
 
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It's a bit shit as usually election nights are a right laugh to stay up for, but this time the result seems inevitable.
 
Dobba said:
That is glossing over the country being full of cnuts angle.
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Everyone are cnuts, but no one likes her. She's not popular... I live in Tory loving Kent, and I've never seen anyone other than the die-hard tories say "gotta love that Theresa May".
 
rcoobc said:
Everyone are cnuts, but no one likes her. She's not popular... I live in Tory loving Kent, and I've never seen anyone other than the die-hard tories say "gotta love that Theresa May".
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Not aimed at you directly but I do find it odd that the 'I'm not voting Labour because of Corbyn' logic doesn't stick around for whichever party they do end up voting for. I'll give the Tories their due, they may be cnuts but they're pretty loyal to the lead cnut when it comes to a GE.
 
Dobba said:
Not aimed at you directly but I do find it odd that the 'I'm not voting Labour because of Corbyn' logic doesn't stick around for whichever party they do end up voting for. I'll give the Tories their due, they may be cnuts but they're pretty loyal to the lead cnut when it comes to a GE.
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Indeed. Right now we have three unpopular leaders of the three main parties. Sounds like many think Corbyn is a communist from how unpopular he is compared to May though.

Not sure how the Tories are going to take Scottish seats
 
Dobba said:
Not aimed at you directly but I do find it odd that the 'I'm not voting Labour because of Corbyn' logic doesn't stick around for whichever party they do end up voting for. I'll give the Tories their due, they may be cnuts but they're pretty loyal to the lead cnut when it comes to a GE.
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The whole point in having a voting system at all is that people can change their vote according to who they think is best at that moment. It's not a loyalty test.

rcoobc said:
Everyone are cnuts, but no one likes her. She's not popular... I live in Tory loving Kent, and I've never seen anyone other than the die-hard tories say "gotta love that Theresa May".
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No one actually likes politicians, competence tends to be the factor people look to. Hence Tory leaders can continually be seen as out of touch and in it for themselves and be preferred as PM.
 
rcoobc said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/26/theresa-may-popular-voters-leader-since-late-1970s/

I know we aren't allowed to quote the telegraph, so I will paraphrase.

PM May is the most popular Prime Minister since sliced bread. This is based on looking at a poll that says most people in the UK think she would be a better leader than Corbyn.

Seriously though, her entire popularity is due to Corbyn being ridiculously unpopular.
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I think its also partly due to brexit surely? I've definitely encountered some people who are willing to vote conservatives who wouldn't usually necessarily because they think firstly she is the best person for brexit and secondly that she needs a 'mandate' to go forward.
 
Unmutual said:
The whole point in having a voting system at all is that people can change their vote according to who they think is best at that moment. It's not a loyalty test.



No one actually likes politicians, competence tends to be the factor people look to. Hence Tory leaders can continually be seen as out of touch and in it for themselves and be preferred as PM.
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Indeed. I think Corbyn is a nice decent bloke but a terrible leader.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
What is his reasoning behind this? Wouldn't it be advantageous to make use of a platform that last election reached 7 million people?

Is there any bigger platform out there?
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UKIP and the Lib Dems are both gunning for Labour ahead of even the Tories. Like with Brexit, he's been placed in a tactically awful position.
 
Unmutual said:
The whole point in having a voting system at all is that people can change their vote according to who they think is best at that moment. It's not a loyalty test. No one actually likes politicians, competence tends to be the factor people look to. Hence Tory leaders can continually be seen as out of touch and in it for themselves and be preferred as PM.
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But if your (general term) reason for not voting Labour is Corbyn, how is a vote for May/Farron/Nuttall not because you approve of them - whether outright or 'best of a bad bunch'?

I've seen very few people saying they disagree with policy rather than the guy in charge.
 
berbatrick said:
That's a problem, or at least it's symptomatic of a deeper problem. Why, in a democracy, are leaders unpopular?
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I'd start with the fact they can't act like real people because real people have easily exploited views and flaws. So they act like robots, in public life, which is creepy and unsettling but less politically dangerous than being genuine.

Then they have to make decisions regularly that whichever way they go they're doing something a significant amount of people find abhorrent. Doesn't take many decisions before they've covered all of us, with at least one of them.
 
Dobba said:
Not aimed at you directly but I do find it odd that the 'I'm not voting Labour because of Corbyn' logic doesn't stick around for whichever party they do end up voting for. I'll give the Tories their due, they may be cnuts but they're pretty loyal to the lead cnut when it comes to a GE.
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Its not an inspiring selection of personalities this time is it!
 
Dobba said:
But if your (general term) reason for not voting Labour is Corbyn, how is a vote for May/Farron/Nuttall not because you approve of them - whether outright or 'best of a bad bunch'?

I've seen very few people saying they disagree with policy rather than the guy in charge.
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Policies are the thing that thing people consider least when deciding to vote. Values and ability are more important. Only if those two pass muster do people seriously consider polices, if they do so at all.
 
Smores said:
Id wager having children is one of the big factors, 30-35 is average ages for first child these days. Not sure of the logic mind you
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Pfft, I have kids and I'm not about to vote Tory.

Although I do respect a lost of what they've done in terms of removing tax on the poor, and giving us Gay Marriage, etc.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I'd start with the fact they can't act like real people because real people have easily exploited views and flaws. So they act like robots, in public life, which is creepy and unsettling but less politically dangerous than being genuine.

Then they have to make decisions regularly that whichever way they go they're doing something a significant amount of people find abhorrent. Doesn't take many decisions before they've covered all of us, with at least one of them.
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I think its more that the adversarial way in which elections are fought forces politicians to make big bold claims about what they will change and how they will make people/the country better off which leads to a cycle of 'over-promise/under-deliver' and makes people feel betrayed.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I think its more that the adversarial way in which elections are fought forces politicians to make big bold claims about what they will change and how they will make people/the country better off which leads to a cycle of 'over-promise/under-deliver' and makes people feel betrayed.
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Quite true. It doesn't breed fondness when you're voting for someone assuming they're lying but guessing what they actually will do is acceptable.
 
No idea how Theresa May can say she's a strong leader when the first thing she did was run over to the US and suck up to Trump in light of Brexit.
 
so now the petition to get her to debate is over 100k signatures will they discuss it in parliament?
 
Smores said:
Id wager having children is one of the big factors, 30-35 is average ages for first child these days. Not sure of the logic mind you
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I'd guess owning Assets is a bigger part of it. Buying homes, stock and what else is further and further out of reach in any meaningful way for younger people, so what's the point of voting for the party that will punish you for it? A parent seeing their rent rise on a regular basis has little reason to vote for the party of landlords.
 
Silva said:
I'd guess owning Assets is a bigger part of it. Buying homes, stock and what else is further and further out of reach in any meaningful way for younger people, so what's the point of voting for the party that will punish you for it? A parent seeing their rent rise on a regular basis has little reason to vote for the party of landlords.
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I think its simply that your values change as you get older. For many people their voting habits go with that change, but not for everyone.
 
Unmutual said:
I think its simply that your values change as you get older. For many people their voting habits go with that change, but not for everyone.
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I think it's more a case of goalposts changing. Can you imagine the conservative party of the 25 years even bringing gay marriage to a vote? It's the same as a midlife crisis, I'm not suddenly facing my own mortality, I just have enough money for the car I wanted when I was 7. People don't change that much, they just get old, realise they're out of touch and go along with everyone else in the nursing home.
 
My old man has slowly morphed into a Tory as he's gotten older. That's not an issue for me but I do expect him to be able to give solid reasoning for it.

He just seems to be really gullible now compared to 20 years ago, always quoting propagandish stuff from the Daily Mail and getting annoyed when he can't back any of it up with facts or examples. He just told me Corbyn's a horrible person so I asked why and he said he voted against his own party 200 times. So I said, "oh yeah? Well he's been in politics a long time, how many times did he vote with them?" And he didn't know the answer. His reason for liking May is "she looks like a leader" and has been brilliant over the last few months, but when pressed couldn't give one example of said brilliance.

So yeah that's the level of political rhetoric in my family these days.
 
Tarrou said:
My old man has slowly morphed into a Tory as he's gotten older. That's not an issue for me but I do expect him to be able to give solid reasoning for it.

He just seems to be really gullible now compared to 20 years ago, always quoting propagandish stuff from the Daily Mail and getting annoyed when he can't back any of it up with facts or examples. He just told me Corbyn's a horrible person so I asked why and he said he voted against his own party 200 times. So I said, "oh yeah? Well he's been in politics a long time, how many times did he vote with them?" And he didn't know the answer. His reason for liking May is "she looks like a leader" and has been brilliant over the last few months, but when pressed couldn't give one example of said brilliance.

So yeah that's the level of political rhetoric in my family these days.
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My mum is starting to get a bit Tory as well, and doesn't like Corbyn. The weird part is that she still identifies herself as a Labour voting socialist.

My dad is close to 70 and says there's no way he'd vote Tory even if they promised to improve his pension. But then again he was an activist for the SNP during the 60s and 70s and was shouted at by Gordon Brown who said "feck off you tartan Tory" to him so he is a little biased.
 
With some people they're basically Tories all their life they just only accept it and start voting accordingly at a certain age.

I know plenty of people who'd never dream of voting Tory, despite the fact most of their views are in line with the average Conservative voter.
 
Silva said:
I'd guess owning Assets is a bigger part of it. Buying homes, stock and what else is further and further out of reach in any meaningful way for younger people, so what's the point of voting for the party that will punish you for it? A parent seeing their rent rise on a regular basis has little reason to vote for the party of landlords.
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Potentially the main reason i was thinking children is that it strengthens selfishness. It would slightly be in my interest to vote tory (well for tax anyway) but well i have values. When you have children i imagine it becomes acceptable to then just want to support them and feck anyone else.

Of course the tories aren't really good for the youth but if you have enough money you can help them over said hurdles.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
With some people they're basically Tories all their life they just only accept it and start voting accordingly at a certain age.

I know plenty of people who'd never dream of voting Tory, despite the fact most of their views are in line with the average Conservative voter.
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A definite thing up in Scotland. A lot of people are more conservative than they realise, or are moderate in general but very conservative on one or two topics.
 
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