Agree with you here. Some would consider smoking or drinking alcohol as a sin. Doesn't mean you hate or can't get along with people who do those things. All it means is that something doesn't match your way of living, so as long as you respect that I don't see the issue.
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The FT's allowed a little levity now and then, although I appreciate it's not to your taste.
The FT is not typically overtly political and its French election coverage has been great, as with the Turkish referendum.
The 'legxit' stuff wasn't great while we're at it.
Corbyn certainly doesn't help himself tbf.
I appreciate all of that and my point wasn't to criticise the FT as a paper (in fact, I even said that I hold it to a different standard to many other British papers) and I admire its coverage of many topics.
The fact it isn't overtly political and yet joins in with the same tired cliches of Corbyns appearance and makes some tie in with the global left, despite being a paper of such high quality, again only makes it even worse. I'd almost expect this from the sun for example.
My over-arching point was that while I don't agree that there is some grand media conspiracy against Corbyn, they certainly do not portray him 'fairly' and the focus is disproportionately on appearance and out of context snapshots as opposed to policy.
I only chose that article, from a publication I otherwise respect, because it happened to be the one I read most recently in that vein.
You're completely right though, Corbyn does not help himself.
Getting back to the topic in hand, I can only really see two positives to the impending Tory landslide. Corbyn will likely go. And, unless the influx of tory mps is particularly eurosceptic, May can use her increased and comfortable majority to not have to pander to the hardcore, wto rules etc etc Tories who currently have a disproportionate amount of control.
People have more important things to discuss in this election
Has anyone asked May? I believe her voting record on equal rights is a lot worse than Farron's...
I genuinely feel as a group you should down tools so to speak, you deserve so much better.Ha, thanks. I think a few of us are feeling slightly sorry for ourselves currently.
There are far greater problems to be concerned about within the job that I can't be bothered to get into now but as a doctor, I have just had my pay cut, am involved in a month long battle to get my leave approved (by an incompetent admin staff who can't be bothered to respond to my many emails) and as a group, are being threatened with disciplinary action every time we don't 'volunteer' to cover an on call which isn't covered due to large gaps in the rota and their refusal to pay locums going rates.
Makes me really want to go the extra mile.
I'm incredibly sorry to hear about your mum, it genuinely pains me still to hear of any story where the NHS has failed its patients. Terrible stuff.
Envy of the world my arse.
You might have missed the memo, but we're not allowed to question anything to glorious leader does.
I suspect she is a savy enough politician to say something along the lines of "no I don't think it's a sin"
A green- labour alliance won't change anything but should stabilise a few seats at least.
Will we see Labour pulling out of seats to give the greens a chance?
Farrons a big mouth the fact he's shy on giving his views on the subject says everything.
Very busy today slagging Corbyn off for his anti-trident views despite it not being Labour policy so see no reason why his own views shouldn't be criticised.
Oh what's that surprise surprise Farron has only ever voted against trident and not for it.
Very busy today slagging Corbyn off for his anti-trident views despite it not being Labour policy so see no reason why his own views shouldn't be criticised.
Oh what's that surprise surprise Farron has only ever voted against trident and not for it.
Apart from Brighton, is there any such seat?
Her record on climate change is really shit too. And I'd imagine on quite a few other things.
Unlikely I'd say, not sure the Greens have anywhere near enough traction for Labour to assume the votes would go to Green. Plus, Labour will (technically) be competing to win the election and in that case I'd imagine pulling out of seats would be seen as a poor strategy.
Isle of white for example... they polled ahead of Labour last time and that was without comrade clusterfek in charge
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/green
Yes they should.
OTOH, it was Tories 40 UKIP 20 in that seat so I don't think the lovechild of Obama, Blair, and Clinton could swing that one.
So he doesn't approve if gay sex but hasn't the guts to say so. So much for being a Liberal...
With his saliva splattered speeches, adolescent sounding rages, prejudices against gay sex and maybe more.....seems I'm forever being reminded of why he's leader of the Liberal party. The party only had 8 MP's to choose a leader from. Presumably the best they could come up with. Whilst he's leader they're not a party I would ever consider voting for.
Those Lib Dem signs have just reminded me of the Orange Book Lib Dems, bleeeegh.
Is it not quite a significant element of the party who follow that line of thinking?
It's inexcusably bigoted for a mainstream party leader in many ways, but it's kind of weird if we're voting on who flinches last while watching a gay penetrative sex vid.
Not sure at this point, given how thoroughly they were routed. Quite funny looking at the contributors though - David Laws, Ed Davey, Clegg, Chris Huhne, Vince Cable (though he's really SDP), Susan Kramer, Steve Webb and Mark Oaten. A few resignations through scandal, one prison sentence and a lot of trashed reputations. Jeremy Browne was an adherent and I recall hating him with some ferocity. Osborne was/is basically one, probably just chose Tories for the power.
Be interesting to know the makeup of their new membership, I have a hunch it'll be younger and more of the SDPish variety but you never know, might be a bunch of small government bods also.
Newsnight managed to coax Mandelson out of his crypt to talk about loyalty to the Labour party. No really, loyalty.
It is stupid, but who cares as long as he actually supports non-discriminatory legislation?
I'd rather vote for a politician who has terrible social views but understands that these are not matters, that the state should legislate than for a politician who has good attitudes, but thinks he has the right to force everyone to follow his own ideas.
What is slimy Farron trying to hide? It's simple; if he were to walk in on a group of gay men fisting, rimming and fecking would he join in? Or would he drive them out like Satan and the dragon and the wretched devils that they clearly are (his words not mine)? We need to know.!
Some who have authority tend to venture beyond their remit. Given power, I fear that Farron's 'personal' might become political.
Do you actually fear that though? Given everything else there is to fear
Not me personally, no, but I fear for people who might suffer under Farron's premiership.
Labour?
If Clegg became leader now, as opposed to before the coalition, I could have see the LibDems outpolling Labour. Farron is awful, how does he inspire anyone? Feel sorry for the non-tories down south at the moment.
Mandelson worked to secure 13 years of Labour government. Corbyn has spent his entire career as an MP opposing the leadership and official policy of his party. This idea the onus of loyalty is suddenly on anyone else is utterly ridiculous.
Corbyn as leader cannot even be loyal to the policy of HIS party.
This is the problem with the some on the left, we see it with the NUS now with the new antisemtism row that's recently blown up, it's this utter lack self-awareness. Racists are horrible, but my racism had context and made sense. Disloyalty is awful, except when I did it because I had good reason.
This is a large reason why so many are turning to this awful Tory government who inexplicable sit near 50% points in the polls, because the left are so utterly detestable these days and still see themselves as being 'good' or 'righteous'. Maybe a massive Corbyn defeat will wake them up to the fact nobody else sees them as that any more. When people are citing one of the most disloyal MPs in the party and complaining that others aren't showing him due loyalty then the game's up, isn't it?
May's going to absolutely romp home and we already know the only lesson Corbynites will take from it is;
1) Media is evil
2) Blairites are evil
3) *rambling about no more illegal wars*
That's not a guess. That IS what will happen. We all know it. May will get 140+ majority, Corbyites will congratulate themselves for making the best placards. Meanwhile country is fecked and any movement to get a credible opposition in place will be blocked because the man who enables unfettered Tory rule is a 'kind an decent man'.
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I feel good and righteous because I'm being presented with the opportunity to vote for policy which will have a material impact on millions of people, or raise the quality of life a few points for people that already smile of a morning. It's a simple decision for me. I don't see why that is utterly detestable because I'm making that choice?
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I thought it was a tremendous post. Truly one of the best.
What is the Labour party's position on Brexit?
Keir Starmer isn't very good at all. Falling asleep listening to this and it's supposed to be flagship policy ffs
I don't think they have one.
I feel like this post would make more sense in my head if it was in random capitals.
Corbyn never actively worked to oust Blair or Brown, there's no comparison between Corbyn voting against policies to actively sabotaging the party leadership because of power battles. Secondly people had no problem moaning about the media influence during Brown, Milliband but suddenly because you don't like Corbyn we're not allowed to mention it??
The idea that people no longer like Labour because it has a systemic antisemitism problem
Access to the single market as #1 priority. Continue with existing legislation around environmental protection and employee rights...
Although they won't come out and say it outright... they'll allow freedom of movement in order to secure the single market access, if that is what it takes (which would almost certainly be the case).
Blair is voting Labour.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...r-fight-tories-june-election-brexit-labour-eu
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...r-fight-tories-june-election-brexit-labour-eu