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Is Paul Nuttall still locked in that room?
He's never getting out Cheesy.
I've been pretty jovial in this thread, playing up the policies of the Lib Dems and such.
But, being realistic for a moment.
There is a good chance that the electoral map will look not unlike it did in 1979
- The Conservatives are going to win this by an absolute landslide.
- They are then going to redraw the boundaries making it harder in future for opposition in future.
- Maybe they will even "reform" the House of Lords making it even easier for themselves.
And like 1979, you can fully expect it to take 20 years for Labour to get back in.
Can anyone think of any decent preparations for the scenario?
I think you are right.
And like the last election, I think the people who claim to know better have no actual idea of how to stop it. Just like Brexit.
Their vote share jumped by 12 points, largely from UKIP. I'm still thinking that there'll be an easing off on the lead towards crunch time as at the moment they're all pretty apocalyptic.
Solar panels. I'm serious!
Tesla Powerwall 2 + Tesla Solar Tiles?
I'm waiting until we can afford a house. Then will buy the house. Then have no money.
He's well-trained for this: all those years in captivity in Vietnam mean he'll be fine with this.
Oh, bit knackered today and must have misread. As you were!
Give him a break - he's the man in the iron mask, after all.
To be fair what you've said still makes sense - while it's a different election, if one party has constantly been cocking up on a regional basis then people will eventually send a message by not voting for them on a national basis either.
This will rightfully follow Farron for the whole campaign
Come on Dobba, if you want to convince anyone with half a brain of a fake news conspiracy perpetrated by the Tories against Corbyn, you are going to have to come up with something better than that.
It says to me that Corbyn's supporters are reaching for the tin foil hats in order to comfort them in the face of a devastating defeat as much as it does about any grand conspiracy.
Get the feeling there's a subtext to your post here
How dare you imply that Labour are the same as RAWK, Blue Moon, and my bonkers posts about Rooney & the media. You must have some UEFA/EU/FA/Darth Gill and Frogie-style agenda.
No, you're right. Just make any old photoshop up and stick it online, then protect your tweets and delete your linkedin when people point out it's fake. Politics.
Edit: Heck, we've even got famed trot Peter Oborne thinking there is a bias against Corbyn by the BBC.
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I agree, but that doesn't mean some of it isn't legitimate grievances.
OK, maybe not completely. We can in theory threaten a first strike & definitely a 2nd strike vs. loons who are beneath us in the armageddon provoking pecking order.
And 110% guarantee our quick obliteration if any of the proper big boys do decide to kick off.
And it helps us & those weaker others believe UK diplomacy & willy waving is worth something, possibly.
CORBYN OUT !!!
I've been pretty jovial in this thread, playing up the policies of the Lib Dems and such.
But, being realistic for a moment.
There is a good chance that the electoral map will look not unlike it did in 1979
- The Conservatives are going to win this by an absolute landslide.
- They are then going to redraw the boundaries making it harder in future for opposition in future.
- Maybe they will even "reform" the House of Lords making it even easier for themselves.
And like 1979, you can fully expect it to take 20 years for Labour to get back in.
Can anyone think of any decent preparations for the scenario?
Canada.
Just an FYI, trident uses leased US missiles. The UK does not own its Trident missiles—they are leased from the USA. UK Trident submarines must regularly visit the US base at King's Bay, Georgia to return their missiles to the US stockpile for maintenance and replace them with others. We only own the warheads.
Those missiles use US guidance systems that rely on US military satellite access for navigation, they have to authorize that for each missile and could in theory simply turn it off meaning our missiles would be useless.
Trident is not independent. That is not me talking, its an official government document.]
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmdfence/986/986we13.htm
That appears to be written evidence from Greenpeace presented to the defence select committee?
It's also in this look - http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/MultimediaFiles/Live/FullReport/7611.pdf
Get the feeling there's a subtext to your post here
I genuinely didn't think of that when writing the post, but as soon as it'd been posted I thought...yeah, that could most certainly apply to Scotland. What's interesting, of course, is that Labour held out at first after they lost Holyrood in 2007. Plus their losses came against a regional party, whereas this is them now finishing second directly behind the governing party.
To be fair, we definitely use US Missiles, that's widely mentioned by the press.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26750...ted-states-in-first-nuke-test-for-four-years/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/defence-and-security-blog/2014/jul/01/trident-nuclear-weapons-uk
Yep, trident replacement as far as I know is just changing the subs, the weapons themselves remain the same.
Even famed lefty Michael Portillo said it was useless on the BBC.
Ignore the site that is hosting it, its the only link to this conversation I could find, the content is real despite the cnd host site.
http://www.cnduk.org/cnd-media/item...e-defence-secretary-slams-trident-replacement
Yeah they are, as were Polaris (we suck at rockets), but I don't think that evidence is particularly definitive that we couldn't use them independently if absolutely necessary.
Yeah but the phone we use to ask for permission to use it will have a louder ring.
That picture was doing the rounds on Twitter as a comedy photoshop, not as something that actually happened. It doesn't even look remotely realistic.
It is one idiot in isolation. It isn't proof of a fake news conspiracy I'm afraid.
That isn't fair. I may disagree with his politics and find his reporting hilariously biased, but Nick Robinson definitely isn't an idiot.
Too easy.
Nuclear weapons are essentially useless for western nations nowadays. Their benefits are almost exclusively defensive anyway and western nations are not under any realistic threat to get attacked. Their lack of utility directly translates into nuclear doctrines that don’t reflect reality. Even the arguments for nuclear deterrence are quite questionable nowadays.
At the same time, countries that have nuclear doctrines that make the use of these weapons plausible are essentially the biggest danger to the well-being humanity. So the best case scenario is that the UK wastes a share of their resources for nothing; worst case scenario is a very costly mistakes.
Interesting book that discusses parts of the topic: “Nuclear Weapons and Coercive Diplomacy”
At the same time, countries that have nuclear doctrines that make the use of these weapons plausible are essentially the biggest danger to the well-being humanity. So the best case scenario is that the UK wastes a share of their resources for nothing; worst case scenario is a very costly mistakes.
Interesting book that discusses parts of the topic: “Nuclear Weapons and Coercive Diplomacy”
We don't suck at rockets! Our Brimstone missiles our much more accurate than the US Hellfire. Rather than the explosion hitting you, this missile could literally hit you.
Of course that's not an ICBM.
I can't personally see that there is a benefit to developing our own ICBMs. Actually from memory, don't France have their own ICBMs developed by, what is now, Airbus. If we want US dependence, this is what we should be using (and as a European project, the possibility is there to assist in making sure it is secure).
Seem to be made by a pan-european group involving BAE. Very well, I retract, we should more fully integrate with the europeans!
The missiles don't require satellite guidance.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/
In the lifetime of some people's parents, Britain was involved in a world war that decimated countries, wiped out tens of millions of people and left entire cities as ruined wastelands. Since then the militaries of the world have spent trillions on researching more and more effective ways to blow shit up and kill people. I'm always a little mesmerized by the thought process that things that in just 72 years we've advanced so much as a species that we could never possible end up doing the things we spent thousands of years previously doing.
Nuclear weapons are fecking horrible, but they're basically the only reason we haven't had another world war since the last one.
Where the bloody hell are all of these Welsh and Scottish Tory voters springing out from? The working class of this kingdom is going to be decimated and people seem to be fecking gagging for it.
^^^^^^^
In a world absent of nuclear weapons leader like Putin would start empire building again.
In a world absent of nuclear weapons leader like Putin would start empire building again.
Unionist voters in Scotland and Wales voted Brexit by a wider margin than any of the home nations so why the surprise?
I don't buy that they are the only reason.
They've also brought us extremely close to war on at least 3 occasions that I'm aware of. It could only take an accident. If there is a non-zero chance for each day that they exist, and if this chance is proportional to the amount that exist... well, the less the better in my view.
I imagine he'd have done something mad like invade Ukraine if it wasn't for Trident.