General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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Yeah, she failed miserably by...getting the most votes?
Maybe Labour should be more like the Tories and get those immigration mugs out of the warehouse. Like the Tories but not 'Red Tories', because that is a baseless insult and in no way reflects the direction those who'd look to replace Corbyn would take the Labour Party.
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Someone else from my town which has been Labour for as long as I've been self aware, voting Tory. He was UKIP last time around though which is a positive.
Were you paying attention to the reaction after it?Yeah sure that's the reason she lost.
Nice one.
Maybe you'll at least listen to Bernie Sanders - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rs-trump-voters-not-deplorable-clinton-warren
Good luck getting elected.
Why oh why do Labour refuse to turn the party towards the 'legitimate concerns' of people like this? What a dark, dark day. fecking Corbyn.Someone else from my town which has been Labour for as long as I've been self aware, voting Tory. He was UKIP last time around though which is a positive.
See above.
C2DEs: LEts feck everything up. We need a change. We're not happy with the state of things as they are.
Also C2DEs: Let's vote Conservative
Someone else from my town which has been Labour for as long as I've been self aware, voting Tory. He was UKIP last time around though which is a positive.
Real charmer there.
Out of interest, presuming Corbyn loses the election, what would your ideal solution be in regards to improving Labour's fortunes?
Show me some more polling so I don't even start to believe they can cock this up.
Someone else from my town which has been Labour for as long as I've been self aware, voting Tory. He was UKIP last time around though which is a positive.
Controversial opinion: Anyone who writes "are" instead of "our" should have to pass a political competency test before they can vote.
You know what the words 'parody account' mean right?
Craig Murray has pointed something out.
The British National Party in 2005 advocated:
– Severe cuts in immigration
– Leaving the EU
– Bringing back grammar schools
– Increased military spending
– More “security” and “strong leadership”
– Foreign policy driven by “British national interest” not human rights
– Reduce development aid
It may sound familiar. Its todays tory platform.
The British National Party in 2005 advocated:
– Severe cuts in immigration
– Leaving the EU
– Bringing back grammar schools
– Increased military spending
– More “security” and “strong leadership”
– Foreign policy driven by “British national interest” not human rights
– Reduce development aid
It may sound familiar. Its todays tory platform.
Brexit though innit.
That was basically the Tory party's 2005 platform anyway.
I saw that. But they're a lot of Corbynistas with that attitude.
Yeah it's just that the motivations for Brexit are (imo) generously described as economic anxiety and wanting to shake things up.
If that were the case they'd be all over Corbyn.
Of course it's actually about white British (English) culture.
Oh Corbyn would go (probably in some deal that sees a pseudo-left candidate being put into the leadership election) and the party will go back to being Tory lite in order to appeal to complete cun...sorry 'people with legitimate concerns' like the guy in the spoiler. In which case their fortunes would be of very little concern to me.
I'm not asking what will happen, I'm asking what you'd like to see happen? Considering Corbyn isn't going to win, but you don't want a 'Tory-lite' candidate to go in? What would your ideal solution be? Is there one?
Didn't they also want to sterilise none white women?
There isn't one, we're far beyond what I'd like to happen already. The last 18 months are proof enough that Warmongers United wouldn't let someone who is even in telescope viewing distance of the left wing lead the party. So, with that in mind, it's a bit like asking me how I'd improve the fortunes of Liverpool.
Show me some more polling so I don't even start to believe they can cock this up.
Controversial opinion: Anyone who writes "are" instead of "our" should have to pass a political competency test before they can vote.
Also 'been' instead of 'being'. It's not a typo either.
For all those who indicated they'll vote Labour,
Should Corbyn man up and say he'll stop Brexit if Labour gets elected?
Should Corbyn man up and say he'll stop Brexit if Labour gets elected?
That can't really be done now since A50 has been activated.
Not really. I'm sure both parties will be more than willing to come to a mutually agreeable solution.
Show me some more polling so I don't even start to believe they can cock this up.
Reality is that those pledges were stupid and Labour made similarly stupid pledges. Osborne & Balls ended up in a ridiculous arms race where they both promised the moon. Labour has nothing to lose and so will promise the moon again, but the reality is that a progressive party should be backing both the end of the triple lock & an increase in NI/taxation.
As for the Tories - they're 24 points in the lead, and its something stupid like double that among over 65s. Makes sense to take the hit now.
The state of Corbyn:
This tweet is from 2013 and Corbyn also wrote this article, so he really means it: http://labourlist.org/2013/03/thank-you-hugo-chavez/
I just take the following quote from Wikipedia, because it summarises almost everything someone would need to know (wikipdedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Venezuela#History).
It is not hard to see why Labour with Corbyn on top is unelectable for people who care about the well-being of any person in the UK. If he’d praise Chavez in the late 00s, you could brush it aside as “honest mistake”. Doing it in 2013 exposes him as dangerous ideologue.
I think offering a second referendum will appeal to a large audience and their best route forward.
And this is why centrists increasingly hate the left.
Because of a parody account?
The sentiment most definitely isn't parody, there's another quote in the last page calling conservatives vermin. The left generally holds itself up as morally superior and are more than happy to personally attack those who disagree with them. You rarely see such ad hominen attacks from elsewhere.
I suppose Labour think that offering a 2nd EU Ref would alienate some more of their support in the working class heartlands etc etc.
Personally, I think they should
1 - to differentiate
2 - they're stuffed anyway
Personally, I think they should
1 - to differentiate
2 - they're stuffed anyway
Because of an account named "CorbynSuperFan" on Twitter with a tweet that has 31 likes?
Okay.
Nah, I think this is too important for a yes/no referendum but public who really don't understand the implications. Labour should make it in their agenda and win it for it to be of any significance.
Its a parody account. You are claiming that 'the left' are all loony and quoting a parody account as your proof.
If you want to tell me this is the prevalent attitude, post some real ones. Otherwise, you either got conned into thinking it was real and jumped on it, or its disingenuous bullshit.
I'd rather someone make a shit parody account and claim an astonishing 31 Likes on their tweet with mean words than, I don't know, support and vote for intolerant policies that will genuinely make many, many people, very miserable. And I'm talking actual misery, not the kind when you realise you've paid an extra £1k tax on your £60k a year wage.
They seem oblivious to the fact that you have to pivot to the centre if only to provide a platform for leftist ideals. Especially when the right is so far ahead in the polls.
Sorry if this has been posted already. When will a TV debate happen, and will May stay firm and refuse to participate? TIA.
We don't know and we don't know.
You're asking for examples of ad hominen attacks on conservatives? You realize that's shooting fish in a barrel right?
I like Sanders but he's wrong on this(Angela Davis has made some very valid criticism about Sanders), as we saw with the Trump rally, interviews, polling there was a section of the Trump vote that was well deplorable. If it's there then you have a duty to call it out and it was there in the Trump support.
Where I agree with Sanders is when he says “It wasn’t that Donald Trump won the election, it was that the Democratic party lost the election.” Clinton never needed to win over Trump voters, to win.
@PedroMendez
Didn't you say that Melenchon is another Chavez in waiting.
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