General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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She was given the job to be a safe, boring pair of hands. And she fecked that up.
Oh god seeing his face mirrored is alarming.
The bogside and South Armagh to be nuked within a week.
Exactly. She's a train-wreck. Done a piss poor job as prime minister after a string of stupid decisions and a woeful campaign that was dead in the water as soon as she refused the debate. Cowardly, insipid and incompetent.
Yet still perceived as no worse of a PM than Corbyn? Fecking hell. What's she got to do to poll behind him?!
Thatcher easy, she was fecking dreadful,.
She was a horrible cnut but a competent politician.
Remove the pledge to drop Leveson 2?
I doubt many of the actually swing voters would have known she was in town. What I heard was that most of her visits were at small exclusive gatherings without much publicity beforehand.
I still think David Milliband would have won 2 years ago.
I'm 26 and can only remember since Blair so no. I think only reason she isn't polling behind Corbyn is due to the work the media have done to present her as one thing and Corbyn as another, coupled with the Labour party infighting a while back.
May has also made out that it is the PM who would be negotiating Brexit and not the actual negotiating team so her going on about no deal is better than a bad deal and her bitchiness about Corbyn being "alone and naked" in Brexit talks probably sticks in the mind of some as well.
The UK is Tory by default. Labour always have to pull something out of the bag to win the GE.
Or hope that the Tories have a really really shit leader. Somebody like Teresa May, perhaps.
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If ye coughed up the six counties when we asked none of this would have happened.
If Labour had won you'd have seen glee way beyond what we have now. I don't understand the obsession a handful have with making sure no one enjoys the two fingers up to the Tories.
Almost as bad as the guy on QT moaning Labour ruined everything by getting too many votes.
We've had such bad results over and over and a sense of going the wrong way, feck it im taking this as a small victory
Read something tonight that said he's going to try to put a government together himself and is going to go for May at the Queen's speech.
It's because people like me find it hard to see anything joyful about what just happened in the UK. Had the Tories actually been ousted I'd have found it brilliant/hilarious. The way it all panned out is just grim, though. They still won but they've made a deal with the devil to do so and massively distracted themselves from some momentous impending responsibilities.
I'm actually kind of horrified about what happens from here. The fecking DUP acting as king-makers as you career, rudderlessly, into Brexit negotiations. Christ. Britain is in deep, deep shit and I'm worried you'll take Ireland/the EU down with you.
The idea that this is anything other than a great result for Labour and a shit one for the Tories is false.
Corbyn was 20 points behind in the polls. Had the right wing establishment and half his own party against him, it's a stunning result to gain any seats. Were it not for the SNP collapse there would be a progressive alliance
Corbyn was 20 points behind in the polls. Had the right wing establishment and half his own party against him, it's a stunning result to gain any seats. Were it not for the SNP collapse there would be a progressive alliance
Blimming heck
What a hero
A "great result" for Labour has to involve winning an election outright, surely? Or at the very least getting a majority in coalition? We're not talking about a tiny, fringe party here.
Context, I provided under that paragraph
Austerity was only on the agenda because of Corbyn. Rewind to 2015 and remember how Miliband completely dodged the issue.
Post of the year. Mesmerising.
The David Moyes of politics.
I guess you are right.
Not that people didn't talk about Austerity. I think it was talked about *a lot* more then than it is now. People don't care so much about cuts to local government now, just the NHS.
Corbyn's results almost mirror Brown's in 2010, one was seen as a disaster but the other a triumph. It is about expectations. But in real terms, the only terms that really matter, you are right.
In vote share it surpasses Labour in 2005 (and thus 2015 and 2010), with the handicap of Scotland included.
It was one of Labour's failures at the last election to properly oppose austerity. Balls and co just copied the Tory template and made minor changes to education and other sectors. It was austerity-lite for a campaign many viewed as Tory-lite.
258 to 262.
the problem with that is by that way of thinking May is one of the most popular leaders of all time with her share of the vote! She got a higher percentage then cameron & Blair.......
UKIP had over 3 million votes in the last election IIRC and their vote collapsed completely. Dems had 57 seats in 2010 for example but their coalition with the Tories destroyed them. This was very much a two party election.
And Thatcher. Attlee's vote share was better in '52 than it was in '45, etc.
That said, there was a lot of very important movement all around, not in terms of seats won but in terms of majorities that Tories will be defending at the next election. The movement of young voters and Tory remainers, reclamation of some of the vote lost to UKIP and retention of Lib Dems won in 2015 not only resulted in the crazy swings in Canterbury and Kensington, it also brought a hell of a lot of large towns and cities within reach. Labour MPs that had been defending very slight majorities now have them in the multiple thousands. Scottish seats are back in contention. At the same time, a lot of old Blair seats that were lost in 2010 are even more firmly embedded in Tory hands and if the Tories saw a decent swing against Labour whenever the next election is, it could be a bloodbath again. But overall, you're going to be a lot happier with the movement if you're Labour.
I think the whole Brexit mess means that anything can happen in the coming years.
That's nonsense. May barely visited anywhere where it wasn't carefully choreographed, stage managed and was kept hidden from the public view.
In fact i'd say a lot of people wont have even known the PM paid a visit to their area, unless they were keeping up to date with the news.
exactly and thier votes where historic, and not comparable, but if yo say wow didn't corbyn do well look at his the percentage of the vote he got, then you have to do the same for may.
right now, i think i'd be happyer if i was a tory supporter(which im not), granted they lost a few seats are in a weaker position, but they are still in power, thier going to be in power through the most important period in britain in at least 40 years.
yes i'd be sad they didnt do better, but when the dust settles i think the tory party will feel like they did in 2010, slightly anoid they didn't get a majority but just happy they are in power.
As a labour supporter and a corbyn supporter i'm fairly deflated, for me all this talk that we won the election is just daft, the best you can say is we didnt do as bad as was predicted, weakened Mays power, and have a better chance at the next election now, if this movement carries on (which isn't in anyway a certainty) carries on.....
in football terms the best you can say is this was a sprited defeat when we where expected to get hammered.