Question is, after the negotiations are completed, then what happens if the referendum result is "no the public don't accept these terms" - they can't go back and start all over again. Basically the people voted for something of which they had no clue of what the outcome could possibly be and now have to rely on May, Davis, Fox, Johnson and co. to not give the UK a disastrous future.
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Question is, after the negotiations are completed, then what happens if the referendum result is "no the public don't accept these terms" - they can't go back and start all over again. Basically the people voted for something of which they had no clue of what the outcome could possibly be and now have to rely on May, Davis, Fox, Johnson and co. to not give the UK a disastrous future.
If the result was the other way, we'd never have heard the end of it. For some reason democracy only works when the right says it does
The responsibility to control the boom rested with the Bank of England, they controlled interest rates. The Labour government didn't spend the boom, the spending growth matched gdp growth as the Tories did during the 80s
Economics isn't a science
The state of you lot.. make fecking May look competent.
Was like this at the polling station on our campus today as well. Good news in that I thought most of the undergrads had buggered off home, but I don't know how well it represents the area.
The EU have been clear that Britain will be allowed to withdraw its Article 50 notification. If the public would rather stay in the EU than leave on the terms the government has negotiated, it is democratically vital to have a referendum to express that.
Not sure if you are serious, but if so, just have a look at this (or just scroll up)
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/gen...ction-day-today.428257/page-279#post-21024899
The Tories were as much at fault for the economy in 2007 as Labour were. In fact they may have been MORE at fault, given that they wanted to deregulate the banking industry.
And because the "death of manufacturing" happened on their watch.
If you want to see more of what the Tories have done wrong, have a look at how Germany handled their economy post-crash.
Job-sharing programmes. Free retraining programmes.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2010/07/recovery_1
So no NinjaFletch Labour are no longer solely to blame. From this point forward, we must give equal blame to the Tories. If not more.
Something that is continually forgotten about. They don't have a clue. Pretty sure your man works in a call centre with a number of times he's mentioned his qualifications.
Also when a government spend money it's always talked about from the opposition like they're going to a casino and running wild. Not that they've INVESTED money in the public services to improve society. Invested in healthcare, education etc. Perspective changes everything and I can't relate to eejits who think national level economics works like their bloody MS Excel sheet.
Hmm think above is maybe a moot point. The Internet improved comms in a major way to enable global supply to blossom. These above points are not mutually exclusive.
The fact that various poll workers are telling people that this election is the busiest they've ever seen it sounds encouraging.
If this is replicated across the country then we can sit up and take more notice.
Can I just ask where you think Conservatives could have done things differently?
Update on the current top 10, before we descend in to the chaos of tonight and tomorrow.
No real surprises. Nick's a notable omission. He made a good go of it, after a late start, but there was too much catching up to be done.
No real surprises. Nick's a notable omission. He made a good go of it, after a late start, but there was too much catching up to be done.
So basically another in or out vote. On the whole the electorate didn't understand the ramifications the first time around, as far as I can see, little has changed in their understanding since.
Thought my reputation may have preceded me on that one. It was a comment on how the right wing press will blame Labour for the financial mismanagement of the Conservatives just as they blame Labour for the economic crash and austerity.
Can't believe I'm that far behind Ubik, to be honest.Update on the current top 10, before we descend in to the chaos of tonight and tomorrow.
No real surprises. Nick's a notable omission. He made a good go of it, after a late start, but there was too much catching up to be done.
Focusing on spend as a percentage or GDP is misleading. Why should spending grow at the same proportion as GDP? It's an easy political shield as those stats can be shown to highlight things are rosy. The big question is when you have a major GDP boom such as the advent of the Internet, why would you need to spend tons more on services. Better to get the debt down and get to a healthy position first.
Large portion of that constituency is made up by keele university students & lot of people who work for the large university hospital live in that constituency as well so should get a good number of labour voters.
The way the vote should have been constructed was 'do you want the government to start negotiations to leave the EU?'
Then a second referendum on the specific question of 'now you know the terms, do you want to leave?'
It's an SNP seat now, was a Labour stronghold before that for yonks. No real trouble from the Tories to be fair (now watch them win my seat.....
)Whatever happens tonight, Corbyn's earned my respect.
I thought he was bit of a joke for a long time, but the way he has ran his campaign has been great. The way he has got so many young people energised and wanting to be involved in politics is admirable.
I thought he was bit of a joke for a long time, but the way he has ran his campaign has been great. The way he has got so many young people energised and wanting to be involved in politics is admirable.
Who will you people trust? Raees, who has flip flopped on every decision and is definitely a bird. Or me, strong and staple Mr Pigeon who has never made a mistake and has definitely never said "thanks you too" when the server at KFC said "enjoy your meal"?
What time are we expecting the exit polls then?
10pm.
22:00 as soon as the polls shut.
The exit polls are going to make me want to start drinking aren't they.
And do hard drugs.
I don't disagree with you but Cameron thought the electorate voting remain was a foregone conclusion and the referendum was badly prepared and badly discussed.
Ha, it's tactical, nothing more.
They're going to make me go straight to bed I reckon.
When do the Albert Steptoes win? Tonight?
Ohhh good idea might try and tick some weed for work.
Assuming you want Labour to win? If so then I'm not hopeful either. Brexit then Trump, this would go with that theme.
whats tactical?
Something weird happened tonight.
I've always been either Blue or Yellow. There's not an election, local or national where I haven't voted for Lib Dem or Conservative.
Stepped into the polling station, got my voting slip, and suddenly started thinking about all that plastic in the ocean. I voted Green, literally on a whim.
I've always been either Blue or Yellow. There's not an election, local or national where I haven't voted for Lib Dem or Conservative.
Stepped into the polling station, got my voting slip, and suddenly started thinking about all that plastic in the ocean. I voted Green, literally on a whim.
A LOT of youngsters are involved because they admire Corbyn and his kind of politics.
You're being biased if you think this level of engagement from the youth would happen with a traditional Labour leader.
74.1%
Yea i want Labour to win. I love elections to be honest so even if i wasn't working i would be watching regardless. But i'm working so i basically get paid to watch it.
Youngsters are more easily led by simple manifesto's of 'throw money at everything and make the rich pay for it', hence Labour make massive efforts to encourage youngsters to vote.