General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Countries used to borrow money to fight wars, paying it back when the war was over. The Thatcher/Reagan era was the start of government borrowing at a time when there was no existential threat. It has continued ever since. Austerity is the right thing to do, but the reason for it is to cut the debt. What's happened, however, is that the Tories have slowed down the amount that the government is borrowing, while cutting vital services and making people suffer. And the debt has doubled. The country is, in reality, bankrupt.

Austerity was a terrible thing to do. It's basically removing money from the economy, which surprisingly enough makes the economy weaker than it would otherwise be. This was a time to borrow to invest, you can pay off the debt once things are booming again.
 
Well that is not overly simplified at all!.

Every argument that you make is over simplified nonsense. The last labour government ran modest deficits, nothing out of the ordinary. The global financial crisis caused by untamed capitalism, the type cheered for by the Tories, caused the big deficit.
 

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No UKIP candidate this time around. Will probably go blue.
 
Not an election day without stories of people being turned away from voting. Hopefully it gets resolved quick sharpish.
 
You realise the size of the annual deficit is decreasing and decreasing from a high Labour induced position? Yes this does mean the total deficit is still increasing but at a slower rate than would otherwise be the case.

Tax cuts for the top 5% is not as black and white as it seems. Cuts to tax percentage at the top end can actually increase tax income. Rich people are financially free, thus if you make it cheaper to do business you will encourage businesses to the UK, hence the talk of cutting corporation tax.

Also, people are less likely to invest in complicated tax avoidance which costs a ton of cash to financial advisers and requires expensive maintenance.

As a simple example better to pay £10 tax and £10 financial advice/ restructuring than £25 tax, but at under £20 may as well pay the tax. Overly simplified, but you get the idea!
Labour had 1 bad year(2009) The Tories had 5 years after that where the deficit was higher than Labours's bad year. The last 2 years are not down to the Labour figures in the 3 years prior to 2009.
 
7 years since Tories took power. 10 years since the Financial Crisis.
  • They have never ran a balanced budget
  • The Bank of England have been quantitative easing since 2009, producing a bubble of growth.
  • We sit at 90% Debt to GDP
Great job
And yet still a ton of cuts, imagine how bad it could be? Maybe you are looking at the wrong party to blame
 
If people believe that, they can swap sides quite easily away from Conservative = Best Brexit then, as you said I think.

But it does mean that Theresa saying Theresa will do best is rather disingenuous.

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If people believe that, they can swap sides quite easily away from Conservative = Best Brexit then, as you said I think.

But it does mean that Theresa saying Theresa will do best is rather disingenuous.

Well yes and no, strength of position is also important so a stronger government will help, as takes away some of the noise from negotiation.

And also depends who you believe is a stronger candidate for negotiations.
 
2006/7/8 are all less than any year since the Tories took office.

Your assertion was that the deficit had increased over the past seven years.


Brexit was a vote on whether we stay in or leave the EU. There was no vote on what that would mean. Carrying on exactly as we were only outside the EU would technically fulfill the requirement. If they wanted to be more specific they should have stated it in the vote.

I remember the debates quite well, and on no single occasion did the official Leave campaign promote what you advocate. I think you know full well that such a course as you suggest is designed to suit your personal agenda, more than it represents the spirit of the result.
 
Thatch was all about boom and bust. Hate to say it but look at her borrowing record too. They are only tight on the poors purse strings.

The labour govt had to bail out reckless bankers, probably tory bankers too.

The banking crisis required a bailout whoever was in power. That side of things can't be blamed either way, aside from the general lack of controls put in place pre crisis.
 
I remember the debates quite well, and on no single occasion did the official Leave campaign promote what you advocate. I think you know full well that such a course as you suggest is designed to suit your personal agenda, more than it represents the spirit of the result.
How about a referendum on the terms after the Brexit negotiation is complete then? Just to make sure the British people are getting what they actually wanted.
 
Every argument that you make is over simplified nonsense. The last labour government ran modest deficits, nothing out of the ordinary. The global financial crisis caused by untamed capitalism, the type cheered for by the Tories, caused the big deficit.

The last Labour government were in arguably the biggest boom cycle the world has seen with the boom of the Internet.
 
does anyone else nosey at the addresses off candidates on the ballots?

Mine was something like this:

Ukip: Private Estate
Conservative: feck those houses are basically castles
Labour: ow thats just round the corner...... i could go round for tea.
Lib Dem: ow their some cute cottages i like them
Green: no address in this constituency???? huh?
 
Depends, it was Labour in 2010 too with a much smaller UKIP vote share. Sounds like a real swing constituency with no UKIP.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/election2010/results/constituency/d08.stm

*EDIT* just looked back to 2005 and 2001. Amazing how huge Labours vote used to be there compared to now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newca...rliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2000s

Farrelly voted against Brexit so that won't go down well with the voters.

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/brex...-50-by-march/story-29968291-detail/story.html

Tory candidate is active on social media too whereas Farrelly isn't. I expect they'll go blue for the first time.
 
The British press are a disgrace. Britain doesn't have a democracy, it has some kind of pro Tory propagandist state or whatever you can call it.
Over 95% of the British press basically turns into a Tory party propaganda machine at an election because it's in the interests of the proprietors of these so called media outlets.
To call Britain a Banana state is an insult to most Banana states! It's a kin joke!! Please please please, vote for anything except the party the majority of the press wants you to vote for. It's in your interest to do so.
 
The banking crisis required a bailout whoever was in power. That side of things can't be blamed either way, aside from the general lack of controls put in place pre crisis.

Do you think Tories, who belive regulation gets in the way of business, would have made any laws to protect us from the crash?
 
Is there any youtube stream or something similar where I can follow the election night if I'm not in the UK?
 
Ordinary folk vote Tory because it makes them feel like they belong to a club that's well above their station .

Sad.
 
Do you think Tories, who belive regulation gets in the way of business, would have made any laws to protect us from the crash?
Nope! But nor did Labour. The crash was pretty much inevitable. No one gets in the way of the gravy train... Until it runs out of track!
 
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The banking crisis required a bailout whoever was in power. That side of things can't be blamed either way, aside from the general lack of controls put in place pre crisis.
No it didn't. If you actually believe in capitalism, you have to let failing businesses, even banks, die when they lose billions of pounds. Since the banks were bailed out, governments aren't in a position to do it again. And have the banks learned their lesson? No they haven't.