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How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Your logic is flawed. The Tories cut taxes for the top and hammer the middle with indirect taxes. You've said yourself the bottom 20% don't vote so there is no danger in upping their taxes and cutting the services they rely on. The middle classes are sold the dream that one day they'll be the at the top, they don't realise how badly they are being hit as the tax is indirect

No-one cuts the taxes for the top earners. There is literally no incentive for doing that. Cutting taxes for the top 5% would be the stupidest thing any party of any persuasion could do.

It might win a tiny minority of votes which would be irrelevant to the eventual election result, whilst at the same time alienating literally everyone else, especially when the black hole in finances would have to be paid for by the bulk of the voting electorate.
 
No-one cuts the taxes for the top earners. There is literally no incentive for doing that. Cutting taxes for the top 5% would be the stupidest thing any party of any persuasion could do.

It might win a tiny minority of votes which would be irrelevant to the eventual election result, whilst at the same time alienating literally everyone else, especially when the black hole in finances would have to be paid for by the bulk of the voting electorate.

Besides pleasing the billion/millionaires who regularly donate to the party and own much of the country's media? Lets not forget the large number of Tory millionaires (I'd hazard most of their MPs are) and their mates who would benefit.
 
Besides pleasing the billion/millionaires who regularly donate to the party and own much of the country's media? Lets not forget the large number of Tory millionaires (I'd hazard most of their MPs are) and their mates who would benefit.
MP's from both sides also massively over-represent landlords, hence the lack of appetite to do anything about the housing market which benefits them.
 
No-one cuts the taxes for the top earners. There is literally no incentive for doing that. Cutting taxes for the top 5% would be the stupidest thing any party of any persuasion could do.

It might win a tiny minority of votes which would be irrelevant to the eventual election result, whilst at the same time alienating literally everyone else, especially when the black hole in finances would have to be paid for by the bulk of the voting electorate.

Its not about votes, the Tories are the top 5%, they get to keep more money.
 
That's not true in a whole swathe of London tbf.
Surrounding areas of London included. Obviously you are doing fine if you're earning 80k a year in London but I do think people forgot that is a whole lot different to earning that in say Manchester.
 
Aye that wasnt the point discussed. I've yet to hear any of our clients moving to Dublin for passporting reason as most already have a EU presence to cover it off. Thats probably more to do with our product base than anything.

I think there's a danger when this is discussed to paint a picture of the entire city moving.
Henderson CEO said they just had to beef up the team in Luxembourg for its Sicav range to comply.
 
No-one cuts the taxes for the top earners. There is literally no incentive for doing that. Cutting taxes for the top 5% would be the stupidest thing any party of any persuasion could do.

It might win a tiny minority of votes which would be irrelevant to the eventual election result, whilst at the same time alienating literally everyone else, especially when the black hole in finances would have to be paid for by the bulk of the voting electorate.
You know thats exactly what they they did do right?
 
Besides pleasing the billion/millionaires who regularly donate to the party and own much of the country's media? Lets not forget the large number of Tory millionaires (I'd hazard most of their MPs are) and their mates who would benefit.

The first mistake you're making is that you think the top 5% are taxable to a level higher than they're currently being taxed.

However lets assume firstly that merely increasing tax rates would increase tax receipts and secondly let's assume that unlike any very wealthy person I've ever met these Tories do not want power, but instead their sole focus is enriching their friends.

The stupidest way to achieve this would be to cut taxes to the top 5%, alienate the rest of the population, get voted out after one term and watch as the opposition not only reverse their policies, but add extra taxes on top.

Not to mention the fact that all facts suggest the absolute opposite is happening. The richest 1% are paying more tax as a % of tax and in terms of physical tax receipts than ever before and the poorest 50% are paying less than ever before.

That's irrespective of government. Which is obvious because if two people have the same objective (winning your vote) they'll end up with the same result (squeezing the top as much as possible and screwing over non-voters who're irrelevant in favour of the voting majority).

You know thats exactly what they they did do right?

Can you explain how using physical tax receipts?
 
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Of you're gonna tax inheritance after 350k then to me its only fair you top up someones inheritance ehn they only leave 1k behind. Thats my opinion anyhow

Well if we're talking fairness...


Good schools for everyone.
Free school meals.
Free job training and further education.
A well funded, free health and social care system that not only offers top level service, but which works on prevention and early treatment of problems.
Availability of affordable housing for all.

These things are more important than whether someone receives an inheritance, imho.

Tinkering at the edges of tax rates is what both main parties have been doing for too long. It's time for a new approach. If that means we 'lose' some billionaires and big businesses then fine. There are plenty of budding entrepreneurs and small businesses that would happily fill the void, when not stiffled by mega corporations who have little regard for their customers or employees.
 
Reckon Survation will have a Labour lead tonight and the internet will fundamentally explode.
 
The latest live odds are on your screen now:

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Conservatives: 1/16
Labour: 8/1
Liberal Democrats: 750/1
Thread on RedCafe before Sunday entitled 'Labour leadership contest 2017' - 2/1
 
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Can you explain how using physical tax receipts?
Not even sure what that means. (Or rather, what you want).

The tories cut the additional income rate from 50% to 45%.

They also cut corporation tax from like 28% to 19%.

They also introduced an allowance on capital gains tax

They also introduced a dividend tax allowance.

They also upped the amount you can put into an isa to £20k a year.

So....
 
The latest live odds are on your screen now:

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Conservatives: 1/16
Labour: 8/1
Liberal Democrats: 750/1
Thread on RedCafe before Sunday entitled 'Labour leadership contest 2017' - 2/1

Generous odds on that last one.:lol:
 
Generous odds on that last one.:lol:

I have a feeling, Labour will realise they're on to something with Corbyn and they might just break away from the norm and hang on to him.

Or, like when he was under pressure from his own party early on in his reign, he might be stubborn as feck and not resign. I might just see what I can get on him still being leader next week actually.
 
I have a feeling, Labour will realise they're on to something with Corbyn and they might just break away from the norm and hang on to him.

Or, like when he was under pressure from his own party early on in his reign, he might be stubborn as feck and not resign. I might just see what I can get on him still being leader next week actually.

I feel like he'll desperately try to cling on, but I suspect he'd struggle after any defeat. The motivated and enthused youngsters will likely diminish at the prospect of another five years of Tory government, and Corbyn's ultimately a much stronger campaigner than he is general leader.
 
Conservatives: 1/16
Labour: 8/1
Liberal Democrats: 750/1
Thread on RedCafe before Sunday entitled 'Labour leadership contest 2017' - 2/1
PM after election is the one to look at, I think. May 1/6 and Corbyn 5/1 are the best currently available on oddschecker.
 
I feel like he'll desperately try to cling on, but I suspect he'd struggle after any defeat. The motivated and enthused youngsters will likely diminish at the prospect of another five years of Tory government, and Corbyn's ultimately a much stronger campaigner than he is general leader.

Can't argue with that. As a Lib Dem/Tory swing voter who has never had time for the 'old guard left' brand of Labour politics, in my eyes, he's won the campgaign battle quite decisively.

PM after election is the one to look at, I think. May 1/6 and Corbyn 5/1 are the longest currently available on oddschecker.

Ahh cheers. Yeah, I pulled those odds out of my ass.
 
Not even sure what that means. (Or rather, what you want).

The tories cut the additional income rate from 50% to 45%.

They also cut corporation tax from like 28% to 19%.

They also introduced an allowance on capital gains tax

They also introduced a dividend tax allowance.

They also upped the amount you can put into an isa to £20k a year.

So....

In pounds and pennies. Having a different approach as to how you extract maximum tax revenues and % of tax rate aren't even close to the same thing.

Some people think for example lowering corporation tax increases investment, employment, salaries, spending etc which is turn increases tax receipts.

Other people think increasing corporation tax works like an excel spreadsheet and therefore directly increases tax receipts by the amount you increase the % by.

My experiences lead me to believe that corporation tax rates are irrelevant in that any decent sized company decides what amount of tax they feel is acceptable to pay and then work backwards from there. So if they decide £100k is right given their profitability that year and the tax rate is 20% they'll declare £500k, if it's 40% they'll declare a £250k profit.

Naturally on small businesses it's more painful.
 
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Really? They're very similar to the odds for 'most seats won'.

:) I checked them this morning and they're probably a bit distorted with memory. Only one that I remember for definite was the Tories at 1/16.

Just had another look at Oddschecker, honestly, the Labour one's a fluke, actually I think they had better odds this morning? What has changed?

Could the Diane Abbott thing really have hurt them?
 
:) I checked them this morning and they're probably a bit distorted with memory. Only one that I remember for definite was the Tories at 1/16.

Just had another look at Oddschecker, honestly, the Labour one's a fluke, actually I think they had better odds this morning? What has changed?

Could the Diane Abbott thing really have hurt them?
I think it's just people deciding they've run out of time to change things. We only have three and a bit hours til the media silence starts, I think.
 
Naturally on small businesses it's more painful.
On small businesses that barely make a profit, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Corporation tax being a tax on profits.

Or small businesses can reinvest the profits to grow.

Either way, Germany's Mittelstand businesses don't thrive because corporation taxes are low. They thrive because Germany looks after them in a way we don't.
 
In Spain they are wondering why it's taken so long to identify Ignacio Echeverria's body and why, now that's his identity has been verified, the family are not allowed to see his body and take him home until Friday - the day after the election. Could it be that he was shot by the police by mistake and that it's being covered up ?
 
Not even sure what that means. (Or rather, what you want).

The tories cut the additional income rate from 50% to 45%.

They also cut corporation tax from like 28% to 19%.

They also introduced an allowance on capital gains tax

They also introduced a dividend tax allowance.

They also upped the amount you can put into an isa to £20k a year.

So....
My dad said earlier that if corbyn stands down after the election he will cancel his party membership.