Jezza has come around to that point of view too, I think.
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Jezza has come around to that point of view too, I think.
It's probably too late though, the papers are going to go full throttle on corbyn for the next day and a half.
He is visiting marginals later today though, hopefully he can pull in the crowds again and swing a couple of seats. I think Labour has a very good chance of reclaiming most of wales, a couple of swings from the snp without tory gains in scotland and the upset could well happen.
whatever happens, its very encouraging to have so many young people engaged in the political process.
You've missed out the fact that the Times and the Tel are leading on 'I will be a terrorist' re the Italian London Bridge guy. Not all of these articles are splashes, some are second or third stories tbf. It also omits the big Labour rags, such as the Mirror and Indie. The May human rights stuff is hardly positive reporting on her, I'd argue too.
My 8-1 bet on a hung parliament is looking half-decent. It's now 7-2 on Hills.
Yeah headlines was the wrong word. Meant to say "front pages" like I did the other times, and only election related as this is the election thread.
Indie is there. Mirror isn't but that is because Neil Henderson didn't share it. Just looked at it and it isn't anything exciting.
Not trying to "prove" anything one way or another with the posts, just that some may be interested in the paper reactions to the debates and now with it being the day before the election it is one of the last opportunities the papers will have to make their case.
My local newspaper: 'Peace in our time, says Chamberlain'
Not having a pop and yep sorry, missed the Indie. You're right though, reporting restrictions kick in on Thursday, so papers have to be very careful on election coverage and this is their last real hurrah.
just shocked they havn't accused him of kiling Diana yet!Express front page:
'Man finds image of Lynne Wood in burnt crumpet.'
Here's The Mirror:
I don't think it was the best design decision to have a big picture of Jezza above the words "I'm going to be a terrorist" but hey ho.
I don't think it was the best design decision to have a big picture of Jezza above the words "I'm going to be a terrorist" but hey ho.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-2017-live-campaign-10567932
the man speaks from his heart.
I hope he gets the chance to form the new government.
the man speaks from his heart.
I hope he gets the chance to form the new government.
This popped is one of many simlar Memes( or what ever the kids are calling them) on my facebook feed over the past few weeks, they just make me laught, as my elderly relatives are a lot better off then me and are all voting tory....... in fact i don't know anyone over 65 who isn't voting tory!
so while i will not be voting tory, a slogan telling me not to vote tory to help pensioners when most of that demographic are voting tory seems mental to me!
Here's The Mirror:
I don't think it was the best design decision to have a big picture of Jezza above the words "I'm going to be a terrorist" but hey ho.
This is one of the rags supporting him...I love a bad juxtapostion in a paper.
OK, enough now...
Do you actually believe all of this shitty 'meme'? As an apparent Labour supporter, do you agree that the multi-billionaire major Brexit donor Peter Hargreaves deserves a winter fuel payment?
This popped is one of many simlar Memes( or what ever the kids are calling them) on my facebook feed over the past few weeks, they just make me laught, as my elderly relatives are a lot better off then me and are all voting tory....... in fact i don't know anyone over 65 who isn't voting tory!
so while i will not be voting tory, a slogan telling me not to vote tory to help pensioners when most of that demographic are voting tory seems mental to me!
The aaaaah one
Wonder if the people sharing it can actually explain what the triple lock is, and how downgrading it to a double lock will affect pension increases.
This popped is one of many simlar Memes( or what ever the kids are calling them) on my facebook feed over the past few weeks, they just make me laught, as my elderly relatives are a lot better off then me and are all voting tory....... in fact i don't know anyone over 65 who isn't voting tory!
so while i will not be voting tory, a slogan telling me not to vote tory to help pensioners when most of that demographic are voting tory seems mental to me!
There are no firm numbers on the number losing the winter fuel allowance either, from what I can see. The young are more likely to absorb this social media bollocks and vote left, and as an example one of our old designers went to some celebration of Thatcher's death, but couldn't actually explain why she hated her. She said she didn't agree with any of her policies (she was a posh fecker, not from a mining town) and yet when pressed couldn't name a single one. It's amazing that some people want to extend the vote to 16 year olds...
They're not that much less intelligent than plenty of older adults voting Tory that can't name any Labour policies they actually dislike.
I don't care for the income tax hike that will hit my wife.
That's largely the fault of the Tories for being characteristically vague on it if we're fair.
But yeah in general, pensioners are the last people I'm basing my vote on after their protection from cuts over the past seven years (the left used to complain about that, with some justification). I get that its being doing for political purposes, but jesus.
Things William Wallace would never have said: "You might take our lives, but here: Take our freedoms too!"
Which is fair enough on your part, because you're a Tory leaning voter who I'd say knows his stuff. But there are plenty out there on either side both young and old who don't really have a clue. It's not exclusive to 16-year old's.
no i don't agree with everything on their.... i was using this agreed "shitty" 'Meme' in an attempted humorous way, as the slogan at the bottom made me laugh as its ironic, (possibly in the alanis morissette definition of the word.) as by in large pensioners are gonna vote tory!
as for should all pensioners get winter fuel payments, bus passes ...... i had this argument with my gran a few months back, my argument was my gran is fairly well off, far better of then me, why should she get all these benefits? i was arguing that it should be done on the wealth of the pensioner.
My grans argument was she worked her whole life, scrimped saved, (for the record its not like she was in a well paid job she was a nurse and my Grandad (now sadly passed on) was a coal man ) ..... while some of her friends didn't save, spent and wasted thier money..... why should they get given free money that she wasn't getting, it would be like they where been rewarded for not saving.
to which i replied, not everyone gets the opportunity to work and save like she did, lifes hard and complicated,
to which she agreed, then said it should be done on a case by case bases,
to which i said you can't do that over millions of people......
at which point we got to an impasse......
So in short no i don't agree that peter Hargreaves gets the same fuel payment....... but working out who deserves it and who doesn't...... well i don't have an answer.
but in general i'd say im not really that worried about the current crop of pensioners, the last time i checked they where one of the wealthiest demographics out there. So the way i'm voting has nothing to do with pensions.
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It was a snap election and it's out to consultation I guess. The pensioners are tough crowd for any party- such a large number of people and they have paid in to the system for decades tbf- I understand the resentment, but am not totally comfortable with it.
It's not so much resentment, I know the grey vote has to be appealed to by any party that wants to win and anyone proposing taking money or benefits away from them do so at their own risk, and if the Tories had played it safe and done a Cameron and Osborne manifesto with extra immigrant and EU bashing they'd have won a majority of 160+, just mild amusement at the left now glorying in Mail-esque scaremongering for them. Who knew that what is in effect a large inheritance tax could so quickly morph into the seizing of homes!
Fair enough. As someone older and more engaged than most, I've struggled massively with this election tbh. May tipped it for me.
A lot of pensioners are cash poor and asset rich (housing), particularly in the south east. I've had the same convo with my mum, who is 71. She grew up in rationing, is getting zero return on her savings etc...and voted Brexit (that's a whole other level of damage to our relationship).
I do believe that meme is misleading though and unhelpful. I understand why it's happening, but equally I don't like the age divisions appearing in our society. I have my Mauritian in-laws over at the mo' and the sense of family they have is actually inspiring. What we have is a bitter divide, which is sad.
My grandparents are long dead sadly and I feel that having lived trough WWII they would have voted leave- they were the kindest most loving people I've ever known known though. Sorry, I'm pissed and rambling, but I do dislike young people's disregard of older folk.
This thread needs more levity.to be honest i've seen a lot of young people fighting for the rights of pensioners in this election, its been quite nice to see.
ow and its fine to drunken ramble
this has probably been posted already
They could've gotten away with the curbs on WFP had they but given back in other ways. Improved energy efficiency in the home, a more detailed plan for intervening against fuel poverty...something. The ridiculed 'Strong and Stable' slogan, has been rather mismanaged IMO. Maybe the eventual result will be better than i expect, however the missed opportunities seem all too glaring.
What the hell, those Mail and Sun covers are terrible. I thought we had it bad with some of our press, but that's an insanely low level.
Also, I don't think it's customary for newspapers around here telling their readers how to vote. I don't really like that. I've seen it happens in the US too.
Also, I don't think it's customary for newspapers around here telling their readers how to vote. I don't really like that. I've seen it happens in the US too.
Until the Independent abandoned print production, the three largest parties all had at least one newspaper declaring for them. The Sun was pro-Labour once.