Well... they've done the best they can.
The Tory Government has public servants at their disposal. Labour do not have that access.
It's fully costed in the same way my holiday budget is.
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Well... they've done the best they can.
The Tory Government has public servants at their disposal. Labour do not have that access.
It's fully costed in the same way my holiday budget is.
I dunno, you're asking for Conservatives to think about anybody except themselves.
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I don't think that's true mate. I think he's a Plaid Cymru candidate spreading nonsense.
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JC is politically correct?!
Plaid Cymyyyyyyrrrleannewoodruu
Not a chance that any of those could/will be implemented.
If they actually were, then (all going to plan) as a Computer Science graduate in 3 years time I will have no option but to leave the UK and I certainly wouldn't be alone in that. The skills shortage in the industry will hit the economy hard.
Another thing worth noting is that security will actually be reduced in the long term and quite significantly as that will create an environment where it's difficult if not impossible for future security experts to grow organically and form their skill sets.
Most of the best minds at GCHQ are where they are today because they were able to play around with security vulnerabilities at home and at University.
Also it's worth noting that it's likely that in time new solutions to getting around the restrictions will occur and they will be at Step 1 once again.
It is what's required to be done to achieve Conservative plans to heavily regulate the internet.
Whether it happens or not remains to be seen but believe me stranger things have happened.
They have not costed the renationalisations at all, so far as i am aware. A main tranche of the manifesto, and likely omitting billions from the calculation that voters must make. Aside from me and Jippy nobody seems to be fussed though.
With a few exceptions, the Tories are basically offering more of the same. But then i'm not on her gushing with enthusiasm about their programme of policies, or making wildly inaccurate statements about the state of their manifesto (on the contrary in fact).
Where as Labour's policies were back by 129 experts and economists the other day.
http://www.ier.org.uk/news/129-economists-experts-back-labour-proposals
I get people's disbelief in the polls and I'm quite sceptical nyself but if the model hasn't changed from when the polls were conducted a month ago and the Tories were sitting on an almost 20 point lead why are they so difficult to believe now that they are close?
I think a lot of you are underestimating the power of Labours manifeto. I think it's absolutely fantastic and I'm a well documented Jeremy Corbyn critic around this forum. I think he has managed to appeal to the traditional Labour voters and a lot of the people who do not traditionally vote for one party based on preference but policies. Let's call this group the centrists who hold the balance of the election. They can quite clearly see May and Tories are taking the piss with thwir campaign and manifesto thinking they have it in the bag.
I think we will see a very very surprising result in the exit polls at 10pm Thursday night.
I think a lot of you are underestimating the power of Labours manifeto. I think it's absolutely fantastic and I'm a well documented Jeremy Corbyn critic around this forum. I think he has managed to appeal to the traditional Labour voters and a lot of the people who do not traditionally vote for one party based on preference but policies. Let's call this group the centrists who hold the balance of the election. They can quite clearly see May and Tories are taking the piss with thwir campaign and manifesto thinking they have it in the bag.
I think we will see a very very surprising result in the exit polls at 10pm Thursday night.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Nationalisation would not normally be included in the budget (Nationalising the banks wasn't either).
The reason being, you are trading one asset (cash sitting around) for another asset (Royal Mail / British Gas / whatever).
Again, forgive me if I'm wrong.
Obviously you still may have to borrow to do this, so government borrowing could and would shoot up.
Competition anyone?
https://goo.gl/forms/dJj4jwVkuBIMYjTJ3
Predict the size of the Tory majority come Friday morning. Tiebreaker is # of seats won by Labour.
No prize at the moment but if we get enough people we could have a think.
I will close the survey to new entries Thursday at 5pm. Then will post everyone's prediction to keep track of. Might make the depressing inevitability a bit more fun...
https://goo.gl/forms/dJj4jwVkuBIMYjTJ3
Predict the size of the Tory majority come Friday morning. Tiebreaker is # of seats won by Labour.
No prize at the moment but if we get enough people we could have a think.
I will close the survey to new entries Thursday at 5pm. Then will post everyone's prediction to keep track of. Might make the depressing inevitability a bit more fun...
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ah... I might have read somewhere that re-nationalisation doesn't really count as a cost on the balance sheet because you're mainly buying the fixed assets which have a theoretical resale value and the other bit of the expense is blah blah blah something else... write-able off over time or an investment or something
so 'Big Book' wise it's all fine,
(don't hold me to any actual accuracy in any of the above though, please)
Done (the poll about polls)
Give us a list of people's predictions when most have had a chance to get round to it?
Competition anyone?
https://surveyplanet.com/53416463asqf86e83198f
Predict whether the Poll about the Polls will have a winner!
I'll be offering a Kenwood Blender (Juicers out of stock) as the prize.
https://surveyplanet.com/53416463asqf86e83198f
Predict whether the Poll about the Polls will have a winner!
I'll be offering a Kenwood Blender (Juicers out of stock) as the prize.
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That's the plan - what I said in the last part of my post. Or are you meaning there is something wrong with that?
I just said the same thing. Therefore we must be correct.ah... I might have read somewhere that re-nationalisation doesn't really count as a cost on the balance sheet because you're mainly buying the fixed assets which have a theoretical resale value and the other bit of the expense is blah blah blah something else... write-able off over time or an investment or something
so 'Big Book' wise it's all fine,
(don't hold me to any actual accuracy in any of the above though, please)
Could be worse. It could be sunny during the day for when the wrinklies come out to vote, and rainy when us normal non-cabbage smelling working people get out of work and have only a couple of hours to go to our polling stations. I apologise for nothing
I just apparently got distracted before the end of your post...
Yes, i believe there is a rule which allows the spending to be...glossed over. But if the burden upon the taxpayer will be higher by the end of this parliament as a result, then they need to be aware of such. Operating costs, infrastructure, hardware, upgrades, higher staffing levels, pensions, salary increases...the burden will now fall nationwide.
Seems to be about the average at the moment.
It feels like Opinium have got it about right. There's not much that can go wrong if you're forecasting a difference in line with the current (FT) rolling average.
A reduced majority or better and I'll be happy enough I reckon. I would absolutely love for Labour to pull something out the bag but it just feels like a complete fairy tale. I'll probably lay £50 on May tomorrow just as a backup.
Part-nationalising RBS and Lloyds wasn't a manifesto policy though, it was obviously an emergency response.
I get the argument that the government receives assets in exchange, but it would be a multi-decade process of getting back the cash it would take to buyout shareholders in National Grid, Royal Mail etc...Nick and I are asking why so little attention is being focused on how this massive £100bn+ initial outlay will be paid for.
I think a lot of this is down to the incompetence of the Tory campaign.
You should read the Labour manifesto before election day. The manifesto is fully costed. "Magic money tree" is just a stupid soundbite that May's advisers have told her to use. The Tory manifesto is an insult. They actually thought they could put out that manifesto and they wouldn't get called out on it. Say what you want, May is a weak PM. She cannot even defend Britain's elected leaders like Sadiq Khan on the international stage.
I'm surprised they haven't made more of it, apart from a few taking us back to the 70s' comments, but it actually seems to have a decent level of support- especially among the young who don't remember that British Rail was even shitter and still as expensive as what we have now.
They don't want to get in to manifesto comparison. Or policy in general.
They're really committed to the strategy of hoping to escape without having to resort to debate.
They think 'strong and stable' and 'best possible brexit deal' alongside 'IRA' and 'no first strike' will be sufficient - and they're probably right.
You get it back on the other side of the balance sheet so it doesn't really exist as an outlay of any cash. In the first instance, we print it I suppose (issue some Gov backed bonds or whatever is it?). Do they call it quantitive easing? It would Traveller those targets & be regarded as inflationary possibly? I really don't know this, tbh.
It increases the total of assets & liabilities that exist in Government-World but they contra out for accounting purposes. Clever, innit?
I think nationalisation is one of those things that people say "yeah why not" to, hence its strong support in polls, but it's not driving voter intention. Think there was a poll recently that had it in the top 3 issues of the campaign for about 6% of people, and I'd be surprised if they were voting anything but Labour anyway. The Tories have strayed from their pre-May message of economic discipline though, and have made it all about Brexit. That said, the Tories strategy here is to make big gains in the midlands and north and hold ground everywhere else, and it's probably the right call to focus on Brexit for that.
Magic Money Tree is a phrase used by people who do not understand even the basics of how the fiat monetary system works, or who do and are simply lying to people.
For the tories of course, that includes may, hammond, johnson, rudd and davies. Take your pick which answer applies to each of them.
A big part of me will be amazed if she is still in Number 10 at the weekend. Even if she scrapes through the election, she must be mortally wounded politically from this campaign and ripe for a leadership challenge.
Didn't the IFS say that neither Labour's or The Tories manifestos add up? IIRC they said even with most optimistic estimate for tax receipts Labour's still had a multi billion pound black hole in it.
Boris's speech today was his pitch for the leadership.
The spat between him and rudd about terrorism is the early signs of a leadership campaign I think.
Yeah, they slated both for dishonesty.
Printing money is inflationary, so a bad idea at a time of already weak sterling and rising cost of living.
I assume they would issue a tonne of bonds and pray the market doesn't take fright, pushing up gilt yields.
That makes sense tbf. Tory manifesto even more damaging than May's ineptitude is somewhat derailing that though.
Not seen/heard it as I've been out. Surely anyone battling Boris copies that National Lottery 'anyone but them' advertising campaign, building a reel of shame of his gaffes.