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General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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He said he will negotiate tariff free access to the single market, that wouldn't take into account all the other related costs such as administration that come without full single market access.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/income-tax/labour-will-take-tax-rates-back-1970s/
Yeah, I misremember that sorry. But the point is, so long as corporations have full access to the single market - doesn't that solve their Brexit problem? And is it not better for them than reverting to WTO rules?
As for the article, it's 5% more than the tories, which is about the difference you'd expect between the two parties taxation. Hardly astronomical rises.
Why don't Labour contest elections in Northern Ireland? Instead of just relying on votes from the SDLP in the Commons for legislation.
There's not really any such thing as "full access" outside of membership. The tariff thing is a bit of a red herring, the most valuable thing we get from the single market is the freedom of services within it, which nobody gets outside of at least the EEA. And I'm deeply sceptical they'll be granting us a deal on that.
It's the main reason that on policy I'm basically a single issue voter this election. Leaving the single market is nuts.
Fair. And yeah, it's a ridiculous situation we're in thanks to Brexit.
A start would be the humility to know that the British PM can't "fix" an entire country, let alone one which has nothing to do with Britain or him.
Think he is likely to remain inthe eea and accept freedom of movement if push comes. To shove.
FFS. They must have figured their experience in Liverpool was part of a successful business model.
'Terrorism doesn't sell enough newspapers anymore, arsenal on the other side!'
MAD!
If Corbyn is reliant on enthusiasm and momentum the last few days won't have helped. It's going to be difficult to get the campaign going and I certainly don't think it'll ever get fully back into the swing. Last few days, I expect, to be relatively sombre and serious.
I wonder if the Tories will gamble and go hard on Corbyn, Abbott et al about being 'soft' on national security and risk the backlash of being accused of exploiting tragedy or if they'll let their supporters in the media do that for them. Meanwhile ensure May's camped at Number 10, and giving briefings on all the important meetings she's chairing and looking prime ministerial.
I wonder if the Tories will gamble and go hard on Corbyn, Abbott et al about being 'soft' on national security and risk the backlash of being accused of exploiting tragedy or if they'll let their supporters in the media do that for them. Meanwhile ensure May's camped at Number 10, and giving briefings on all the important meetings she's chairing and looking prime ministerial.
Labour just need to go hard on police numbers. I mean you can say Labour under Corbyn may do this and that but the Tories actually have a record the public will be angry about in this case. Then there's May accusing the police of scaremongering.
Last few days will be the worst of the media i imagine.
Strangely the Daily Mails story on Corbyn accusing May of the above things is above any May story. In fact they've now misreported a U-turn saying Corbyn now supports armed officers. Are the Mail leaning towards blaming the security services and May?
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The police numbers are a weakness for May given that she can't distance themselves from them as her entire time in government she's either been Home Secretary or PM and therefore directly responsible.
That said given what Corbyn's said in the past re shoot to kill and opposing 'anti-terrorism' legislation, I'm not sure if he's really the guy to successfully get that point home.
"you cut police"
"you opposed measures to combat terrorism"
At best for Corbyn it seems a wash. I'd guess Corbyn would rather not spend last few days talking about his past statements on various issues again.
Reluctantly voted for Ol' Jez in the end. The Dems were weak and The Tories not an option. What swung it for me in the end was the belief that Labour's plan for Brexit is so dumb that we won't really leave, that and the recent terrorist attacks laying bare The Tories cuts to the home security forces.
Indeed. It gives her the ideal excuse for not being out in front of TV cameras, as she can claim the security situation is too important.
The policing numbers made no difference to these attacks. Responding to them is the job of the police, preventing them is the job of the intelligence services.
Not necessarily true. There's a case that having the police working closely with communities means they can get early information on people that are becoming radicalized. People are more likely to talk to the local 'bobby on the beat' than they are to contact a faceless hotline or huge government department.
Policing at the local level and awareness is usually a large part of intelligence gathering and services as well.
Where do you think intelligence comes from for a large part?
Exactly. It is vital that we have more police on the ground.
Thought this one from last week was good too;
https://www.ft.com/content/5c4e3720-45ed-11e7-8519-9f94ee97d996
(Google the headline of the article and open the link if anyone wants to read it)
The FT (as far as I can see) is the only serious paper still banging the anti-Brexit drum. Sadly no-one's listening.
David Cameron's former advisor:
But also:
Labour vote could increase, but might only be running up the score in safe seats.
Labour vote could increase, but might only be running up the score in safe seats.
I've now taken Friday off to enjoy the fun of the day after. And to nurse my hangover from going out to watch the results come in.
Powerful speech from Corbyn, but it boils my piss that yet again he's being ignored by a lot of the press unless he makes a gaff.
We voted in RL (postal) last week, as we won't get back to our town till Friday. Seems strange being in another country right now, as there's obviously nothing here to remind you that we're a couple of days away from a UK election.
We're full of gloom about it all. I can't recall feeling so pessimistic about the future in previous elections.
We're full of gloom about it all. I can't recall feeling so pessimistic about the future in previous elections.
Great article by Nate Silver: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-the-u-k-polls-skewed/
180 sounds low, but Labour and non-Labour sources have highlighted this throughout the campaign.
Largest gains seem to be coming in cities where Labour are already strong, and in parts of the South where they're very weak. Midlands and the North still look very worrying for Labour.
And look at how well the intervention went. The country is in more of a mess now than it ever was.
Managing expectations and getting the vote out aside, I feel that this is a lot more likely than any of the polls suggestion Labour are a threat to the current government.
That said I was wrong about the last election, Brexit and Trump, but I believe them to be all of the same trend, and it still has some way to run.
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I think the problem with YouGov's model is that they are predicting a much higher youth turnout (fair enough), but then applying that evenly over constituencies, when really it is clustered in the university towns.
Some of that is his own doing. You can't really spend your entire leadership treating the press as the enemy, being largely unresponsive to requests for interviews etc, and then when election time comes expect positive coverage. You need a media strategy to woo elements of the media who can help get your message across in times like this. That's part of what being a leader should be able, being a good communicator. Until the past couple of weeks there's never seemed to be much appetite to talk to anyone unless they already agree.
Being poor in that sense as leader can be manageable if you've a team around you who handle the media well, but Corbyn's inner circle seems to view the media with hostility and mistrust too. Perhaps understandably but if you're in that position you need to accept the media is arguably the best way, still, of reaching a wider audience in a way that Tweets and attending rallies held in your own honour isn't going to.
The problem is this election that it really isn't going to be. Lots of students have gone home and it will cause problems for MPs like Clive Lewis in Norwich South who is the sole Labour MP in a sea of blue in East Anglia based off the the student vote.
fecking hell, I just read about May's plan for Internet censoring on reddit. Fairly disastrous for you guys living in UK.
Interesting that many other European countries have resisted the urge to go for RW parties, here's hoping Britain does the same although signs are not promising.
What's the system there if one party doesn't get the full majority, I'm assuming they'll seek alliance with other parties to just get them over the line.
Interesting that many other European countries have resisted the urge to go for RW parties, here's hoping Britain does the same although signs are not promising.
What's the system there if one party doesn't get the full majority, I'm assuming they'll seek alliance with other parties to just get them over the line.
That's fair enough imo, still makes it frustrating to see.
There is two reasons and two reasons alone as to why the press is ignoring his best moments and overplaying his worst moments.
1. Billionaire press owners protecting their own interests.
2. Journalists protecting their own interests thanks to Conservative pledge to scrap the Leveson 2 enquiry.
That's why he is "unelectable", not because the public won't like him or his policies but because the press are doing their absolute best (and worst) to make sure the Tories get back in.
The pledge to scrap Leveson 2 is sickening. How is that in the public interest?