General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Dobba said:
The footage in question:
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I've listened to this about 5 times now, and can't quite understand why he should have been censored, because selling arms to the Saudi's is hardly a sensitive issue. Trump was recently boasting about it.
Whether or not the Saudi's are funding IS seems pretty pointless in a political debate or whatever it was, but he should have been allowed to finish. I'm intrigued about where his line of reasoning was heading now.
 
Damien said:
There were still debates and stuff after that. Now, there's a few days until the election. Campaigning is suspended for the major parties, though May used her speech to campaign. Conservative tactic is already to go door to door mentioning Corbyn and the IRA. They'll double down on that now as well as the papers.
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Yep this election is over. Fear is always a vote driver. I wouldnt be shocked if Cons get a majority.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
You are better than this Pexbo get a hold of yourself. :)

"Tact often appears in place of tack. Presumably some people think of it as short for tactic, which is synonymous with tack in some contexts. This is understandable given how rare tack is, but tact is not conventionally short for tactic, and, fairly or not, phrases like change tact are generally considered wrong by people who pay attention to these things."
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It comes from boats/ships changing tack to find the wind. It means change direction.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
You are better than this Pexbo get a hold of yourself. :)

"Tact often appears in place of tack. Presumably some people think of it as short for tactic, which is synonymous with tack in some contexts. This is understandable given how rare tack is, but tact is not conventionally short for tactic, and, fairly or not, phrases like change tact are generally considered wrong by people who pay attention to these things."
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I bet you're fun at parties.
 
Personally, i think the vast majority of voter sentiment has already been determined. It's now a matter of turnout, and whether the Labour surge is distributed in the right places.


SteveJ said:
Under a Labour government, we'd be reading:

Corbyn can't keep us safe
and...
ON HIS WATCH
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Or...

PM refused to launch drone strike against British terrorists fighting for IS
Corbyn withdraws from western coalition battling Islamist extremists in Iraq and Syria
Labour leader said he wanted a stable Libya, but what has he done? Nothing.
Prime Minister's hesitancy allows al-Baghdadi to escape RAF strike
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Personally, i think the vast majority of voter sentiment has already been determined. It's now a matter of turnout, and whether the Labour surge is distributed in the right places.




Or...

PM refused to launch drone strike against British terrorists fighting for IS
Corbyn withdraws from western coalition battling Islamist extremists in Iraq and Syria
Labour leader said he wanted a stable Libya, but what has he done? Nothing.
Prime Minister's hesitancy allows al-Baghdadi to escape RAF strike
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Couldn't agree more really.
 
Dobba said:
The footage in question:
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We need a fecking thread on this. It's a fecking disgrace.
Our government doesn't care about people dying. This bullshit war on terror is another avenue for making money.
Saudi Arabia is a rouge state but no one can talk about it because we sell them weapons.
What the feck has to happen before people open their eyes?
 
Berbaclass said:
Couldn't agree more really.
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Those who didn't trust him on national security and foreign policy, have likely felt that way for some time. And knowing the Tory rank and file, they're going to expect increased government support for the security services if the Conservatives win. Assuming that to be so, the question might better be one of where the money comes from. Is it to be borrowed, or possibly form part of an increase in taxes (VAT of 21% perhaps).
 
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A genuine question I've been thinking about today. Would things change should Corbyn become prime minister?

I know he's voted against foreign intervention and bombing etc. In the past.
 
Adisa said:
We need a fecking thread on this. It's a fecking disgrace.
Our government doesn't care about people dying. This bullshit war on terror is another avenue for making money.
Saudi Arabia is a rouge state but no one can talk about it because we sell them weapons.
What the feck has to happen before people open their eyes?
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They choose to balance their books by taking blood and oil money from the Saudi's while they convince the public that balancing the books by taxing corporations and super high earners is immoral and risky.
 
Adisa said:
We need a fecking thread on this. It's a fecking disgrace.
Our government doesn't care about people dying. This bullshit war on terror is another avenue for making money.
Saudi Arabia is a rouge state but no one can talk about it because we sell them weapons.
What the feck has to happen before people open their eyes?
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I'm hoping the UK will be a rouge state come Friday.
 
Pexbo said:
They choose to balance their books by taking blood and oil money from the Saudi's while they convince the public that balancing the books by taxing corporations and super high earners is immoral and risky.
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Sick of it to be honest.
To these people, this crap is just a calculation, they want the status quo to remain.
They are making money out of a problem they create and pretend to everyone they are trying to solve it.
It's bullshit.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Those he didn't trust him on national security and foreign policy, have likely felt that way for some time. And knowing the Tory rank and file, they're going to expect increased government support for the security services if the Conservatives win. Assuming that to be so, the question might better be one of where the money comes from. Is it to be borrowed, or possibly form part of an increase in taxes (VAT of 21% perhaps).
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It sort of reminds me of a debate I was having with a colleague at work the other day regarding the print media.

My thinking was that the majority of people that get their news from newspapers and such will probably have already made up their minds one way or the other, reducing the significance of the spin that the Tory media put on things in an attempt to win votes.
 
Just wondering, why is it that Qatar is overlooked in these debates? Not only do they own quite a bit of well known real estate in this country, but we're heading off to a World Cup there in 2022. Iraq, Syria, Libya, the Gulf state is not a silent actor. With regard to Libya in particular, their destabilising influence has been much reported.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Just wondering, why is it that Qatar is overlooked in these debates? Not only do they own quite a bit of well known real estate in this country, but we're heading off to a World Cup there in 2022. Iraq, Syria, Libya, the Gulf state is not a silent actor. With regard to Libya in particular, their destabilising influence has been much reported.
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Good point!
 

May of already been posted but it sums it up
20k less police since 2010 & 1300 less armed police.
 
'Comfortable in the company of the worst President in US history, arms dealers, blood-sports enthusiasts, and millionaires who'd deprive our poorest children of free school dinners...'
 
Psephologist that works on the British Electoral Survey team





So could end up with a situation where the polls that look correct on election night didn't have a particularly robust methodology either.
 
Jippy said:
Less than 70 majority and she's probably toast- only two allies in the cabinet.
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I suspect there will be a big reshuffle though post election and more allies drafted in and promoted to more senior posts

Would be interesting to see who might challenge though if things don't go well?
Boris?... managing credit??????
Amber Rudd is possibly too close to may
Stephen crabb?????

Not inconceivable that four party leaders could all go with a small conservative majority
May... not a clear enough win?
Corbyn... loosing seats?
Farron... not getting old vote back?
Nuttall... UKIP collapse?

My gut feel is may will win by enough to be ok and lack of options will ensure farron is safe... other 2 probably going to face a challenge though
 
sun_tzu said:
I suspect there will be a big reshuffle though post election and more allies drafted in and promoted to more senior posts

Would be interesting to see who might challenge though if things don't go well?
Boris?... managing credit??????
Amber Rudd is possibly too close to may
Stephen crabb?????

Not inconceivable that four party leaders could all go with a small conservative majority
May... not a clear enough win?
Corbyn... loosing seats?
Farron... not getting old vote back?
Nuttall... UKIP collapse?

My gut feel is may will win by enough to be ok and lack of options will ensure farron is safe... other 2 probably going to face a challenge though
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Not sure how it'll go tbh, what with our faith in polls shattered.

Oh god, Friday is going be a busy day I feel, but decent traffic day for the site.
 
RedSky said:
I'm curious TR, what level of training does the average policeman get in terms of self defense against people with weapons?
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Quite basic in my opinion hence why I took up wrestling and jiu jitsu in my own time.

Every officer carries incapacitant spray and baton with some, but not all, taser.

I've heard the first officer on scene (who would have been unarmed) fought the three suspects and in total 4 police officers were stabbed but none seriously injured. It's very hard to fight multiple attackers with weapons though whatever level of training.
 
TheReligion said:
Quite basic in my opinion hence why I took up wrestling and jiu jitsu in my own time.

Every officer carries incapacitant spray and baton with some, but not all, taser.

I've heard the first officer on scene (who would have been unarmed) fought the three suspects and in total 4 police officers were stabbed but none seriously injured. It's very hard to fight multiple attackers with weapons though whatever level of training.
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Is the training something you do early on and don't really train afterwards or is it something that gets put into a schedule of sorts? I'm just curious given the growing threat and standard policemen are normally the first ones to react, seems a bit off to me that they're somewhat underprepared (this would be a Government issue, I am in no way criticising the Police as i'm sure the reason you don't/can't do this is financial).

So it seems a bit basic to say that Police need more numbers, when in fact what you could do with is more numbers, better equipment and more time to train during working hours. Is that something you'd agree with?
 
Hand on heart, would you argue the point with Toff in the evening or wait til morning?
 
RedSky said:
Is the training something you do early on and don't really train afterwards or is it something that gets put into a schedule of sorts? I'm just curious given the growing threat and standard policemen are normally the first ones to react, seems a bit off to me that they're somewhat underprepared (this would be a Government issue, I am in no way criticising the Police as i'm sure the reason you don't/can't do this is financial).

So it seems a bit basic to say that Police need more numbers, when in fact what you could do with is more numbers, better equipment and more time to train during working hours. Is that something you'd agree with?
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You do more intense training when you start and then every year you go through a refresher but you're right in saying the more training you do the better you become. The issue is allowing abstractions with operational numbers of staff. Quite hard to balance.

In an ideal world to develop any kind of martial art skills or even basic self defence you need to train regularly.
 
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