General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Silva said:
What's a reasonable margin? 50ish seats?
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Starting at 50 even, :(.

I don't know, might be quite lively but I kinda worry about the Labour vote holding up in places that haven't felt the austerity because that's all they know anyway but they blame the Forrins insurgency (that a lot never see btw) instead of the Conservative government doing the cutting.

Like the Brexit vote basically but slightly offset by a few warming to Corbyn who hadn't previously. Core vote of the Tories won't go away from them & they have some coming back from UKIP too.

Unless the young vote goes berserk.
 
Silva said:
So, what's everyone's predictions as things stand? I think Labour will get a bigger share of the vote than 2 years ago, but the Tories will still increase their MP share slightly.
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Tories 320 - 380
Labour 200 - 260
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Wars have frequently been started because one side doubts the other will respond. It was certainly a major factor in Argentina invading the Falklands and Saddam invading Kuwait. Ambiguity is not helpful in international diplomacy.
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Yes Mr Putin they do have nuclear weapons but they promised not to use them so we'll be fine nuking them :lol:

When you're talking about nuclear weapons there is no reduced risk ffs.
 
The audience member who challenged Theresa May over her record of “broken promises and backtracking” during the BBC Question Time leaders' special is chairman of Ukip’s youth wing at York University, the Press Association reports.

In a fiery opening exchange, Abigail Eatock told May that she had U-turned on her decision not to call an election and on her social care plans.

And she accused her of ducking debates with Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who was appearing separately on the programme after the PM refused to go head to head with her rival.

Soon after the back-and-forth, a Ukip source confirmed that Ms Eatock is the chairman of Young Independence, the party’s youth wing, at York University, where the BBC One event was being held.
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God damn. The MVP was UKIP.
 
Smores said:
Yes Mr Putin they do have nuclear weapons but they promised not to use them so we'll be fine nuking them :lol:

When you're talking about nuclear weapons there is no reduced risk ffs.
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Ok General, let's throw out all the long established principles when it comes to nuclear diplomacy and deterrence that have prevented nuclear war for 70 years and go with this new strategy. What could possibly go wrong.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Ok General, let's throw out all the long established principles when it comes to nuclear diplomacy and deterrence that have prevented nuclear war for 70 years and go with this new strategy. What could possibly go wrong.
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We should go back to champions fighting each other, fist fight to the death, winner take all!
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Ok General, let's throw out all the long established principles when it comes to nuclear diplomacy and deterrence that have prevented nuclear war for 70 years and go with this new strategy. What could possibly go wrong.
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There is no new strategy, trident is getting renewal. It persists as a deterrent.

You honestly believe Corbyn not declaring publicly has an impact don't you. Incredible
 
Smores said:
There is no new strategy, trident is getting renewal. It persists as a deterrent.

You honestly believe Corbyn not declaring publicly has an impact don't you. Incredible
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Yeah, anyone planning to attack the UK would already know JC be reluctant press the button so it makes no difference what he did or didn't say. And in terms of elections, he'd have lost credibility with the public if he said anything different.

Pointless trying to appease those war mongering Daily Mail readers anyway. They'll never vote for him.
 
Smores said:
There is no new strategy, trident is getting renewal. It persists as a deterrent.

You honestly believe Corbyn not declaring publicly has an impact don't you. Incredible
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"In 1949, the Soviets detonated an atomic bomb, ending American atomic hegemony and beginning the Cold War in earnest. Both sides were eager to expand their spheres of influence, particularly in Asia, which was seen as still ripe for ideological picking. In January 1950, Secretary of State Dean Acheson delivered a speech at the National Press Club. During the speech, which was delivered informally and without notes, Acheson identified a line around the globe that America would defend with all its might. The only problem was that his description of the line left out Korea, despite the growing communist forces gathered in the North. The communist Koreans were said to have taken the speech as a “green light” that they could invade the South without American intervention. Emboldened, they did so shortly afterwards. Of course, as we all know, the US did intend to defend South Korea. The ensuing war lasted three years and left millions dead."

Words can matter.
 
I just want to know whether they people asking the questions know how the Nuclear deterrent works.
 
I know we already know this dynamic, but still really stark to see the trends




(last one should be 2017, obvs)
 
MannyB said:
Yeah, anyone planning to attack the UK would already know JC be reluctant press the button so it makes no difference what he did or didn't say. And in terms of elections, he'd have lost credibility with the public if he said anything different.

Pointless trying to appease those war mongering Daily Mail readers anyway. They'll never vote for him.
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That really isn't the point, no state when posed with the risk of us utilising our nukes against them is going to deem that risk negible because of the prior words of a state leader. Under such a situation you know actions may vary and authorities may change, heck you know a rogue situation is a possibility. The risks are too high.

If an enemy is beyond that rationale our deterrent has already failed and words matter not.
 
So we've done all of the TV set piece events, and there's not been a single question on how much it will cost to renationalise major industry. I just don't get it. It's as if people remember some mythical version of British Rail. where the trains always ran on time and. Although having been to the London Transport Museum, the seats were certainly more comfortable. I was pleased to see someone press Labour on tuition fees though; a total misuse of government expenditure IMO.

To summarise QT:

May started well but struggled on nurse's pay and mental health. Corbyn also started well, but fell to pieces on the nuclear question in particular. Corbyn's worst moments were had a lower tideline than May's, is how i'd put it.

How many voters were actually watching, i have no idea, although it was the PM's best performance so far. Get a decent Brexit deal out of the way under the Tories, and them maybe it's Umunna at No 10.
 
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Ubik said:
In what way - as a long term coalition?
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Yeah. Feels like the sort of divide that leads to young people rioting, if it goes on like this for a while.

I suspect there are quite a few of us who genuinely don't know anyone their age who's openly voting Tory. That doesn't lend itself to tolerance.
 




Trident is a funny thing. Barely adequate, extremely vital, yet a complete waste
 
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DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Yeah. Feels like the sort of divide that leads to young people rioting, if it goes on like this for a while.

I suspect there are quite a few of us who genuinely don't know anyone their age who's openly voting Tory. That doesn't lend itself to tolerance.
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Ah I see what you mean - yeah I think we had a taste of this after last June, the young genuinely feeling like older voters had betrayed their futures given how clear the age gap was. I can only imagine that sense increasing if the economy does bite in a few years, probably at the young's expense once more. It's another thing that worries me about McDonnell being a higher up in Labour to be honest, he likes the violent side of things.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Yeah. Feels like the sort of divide that leads to young people rioting, if it goes on like this for a while.

I suspect there are quite a few of us who genuinely don't know anyone their age who's openly voting Tory. That doesn't lend itself to tolerance.
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I certainly share that opinion, never met anyone my age (23) that has voted Tory.

At this present moment, I look at this country with a lot of disenchantment and feel very disillusioned with the way things are going.

I think my generation are pretty much being sold down the river by the older generation and have very little control, if any, over any of what is happening to this country and the future of it.
 
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Ubik said:
Ah I see what you mean - yeah I think we had a taste of this after last June, the young genuinely feeling like older voters had betrayed their futures given how clear the age gap was. I can only imagine that sense increasing if the economy does bite in a few years, probably at the young's expense once more. It's another thing that worries me about McDonnell being a higher up in Labour to be honest, he likes the violent side of things.
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Yeah McDonnell loves a good old riot although it really doesn't really worry me to much.
 
DenisIrwin said:
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Yeah saw that earlier, no surprise. Also it's so clear that they targeting Diane Abbott because she is a black women, had a horrible tory leaflet put through the letter box today - ''collation of chaos'' which pictured Corbyn, Farron, Sturgeon and for some odd reason Abbott as well. I think we'll back in a few years with disgust at this tory campaign.
 
Sweet Square said:
Tory lying and racism

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It's ridiculous how often people lie about what Abbott does & says, and claim her race has nothing to do with it, and if anything she is the racist.

And May only said this to avoid answering a question on her chancellor miscalculating £20bn on HS2.
 
Unmutual said:
Anyone considering a nuclear strike is already playing for very high stakes and the political situation is likely to be extreme. As such marginal risk factors are likely to be pivotal, not negligible, in making up their minds.
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So it's best if we rule out a 1st strike then really, innit?
 
I really don't get the nuclear launch argument. If we were to "first strike" the opposing country would retaliate and that would spell the end of our little island. But hey at least we kill millions of innocents before we die!

Having nuclear weapons just makes us more of a target, it's not a deterrent.
 
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The vague possibility of a hung parliament or even a labor victory should be a cause for celebration but since they seem to be a clueless as the Tories on Brexit I find it hard to care. I hate referendums but ones with simplistic questions especially annoy me and allow scare campaigns to be the focus rather than discussion of the important detail.

Brexit isn't a simple question and voters should have been given the options
 
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