General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Cheesy said:
:lol:

In all seriousness though, think this highlights that people always end up responding to power in politics. When he was trailing in the polls and new to the job, most of the party never took him seriously and wanted him gone. Now he's closing in, we're seeing more and more people back him, even in spite of certain differences. Would be a big positive if he can get in and pull different wings of the party together in order to govern effectively.
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And when Labour invariably loses this election they'll throw their hands in the air and say "see, we told you you should have picked Owen Smith instead" and drive a bigger bridge between themselves and the party members.
 
Cheesy said:
Apparently Alistair Campbell's endorsed Corbyn.
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His son did and he tweeted about the article saying he agrees with less enthusiasm. Basically, he's said he's voting Labour.
 
Silva said:
And when Labour invariably loses this election they'll throw their hands in the air and say "see, we told you you should have picked Owen Smith instead" and drive a bigger bridge between themselves and the party members.
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Owen Smith would've been awful (his leadership campaign was dreadful) but I do think there's got to be some responsibility on his shoulders if Labour lose - their current positioning only looks good because of how shockingly they were doing before. Considering how bad May's campaign has been her party would've ideally been there for the taking in most elections.
 
Ubik said:
His son did and he tweeted about the article saying he agrees with less enthusiasm. Basically, he's said he's voting Labour.
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All they need now is Blair's endorsement!:nervous:
 
Cheesy said:
Owen Smith would've been awful (his leadership campaign was dreadful) but I do think there's got to be some responsibility on his shoulders if Labour lose - their current positioning only looks good because of how shockingly they were doing before. Considering how bad May's campaign has been her party would've ideally been there for the taking in most elections.
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On the other hand, she wouldn't have called this election if it wasn't for the Labour infighting.
 
Ubik said:
Would any of you change your vote if Corbyn said he'd be prepared to use Trident?
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Nah. Not a massive deal to me. I'm largely against it, but certainly not big on my agenda.
 
Ubik said:
He's already said he's voting Labour :lol:

Not sure I've seen what Mandelson's plans are...
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Presumably he'd be in the same boat as Campbell and Blair. Probably.

Out of interest, will be interesting to see how Corbyn's Cabinet is adjusted if he is elected. Can see him giving Miliband a fairly prominent position, for one, although I suspect he'll continue to stand by McDonnell and Abbott.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
What I'm trying to convey is the possibility of a nuclear weapon being used is real. I am of the belief that if anyone fires a nuke, there's a high probability that the whole world goes up in flames in the chain reaction. But wait, I hear you ask, doesn't that just reinforce the point that we should swear to never fire a nuke? I would say no, the sensible tactic is to keep up the pretence that any nuclear attack will be met with an overwhelming response. For the MAD doctrine to work, you have to at least say you'd nuke them back.

With Trump wavering on the whole principle of collective defence (clause 5) within Nato, it's now more important than ever that the UK is clear that it is willing to provide our side of the nuclear equation to keep the MAD balance in tact.

By saying we would potentially nuke people, we actually lower the possibility of nukes being used. Counterintuitive, but I genuinely think that's the case.

I'd say the terrorist attack on US or Korean implosion are the most likely to happen in the next five years. Not massively likely, but at least 5% chance if I had to put a number on it.

They rely on Nato membership and the principle of collective defence. Our nukes are their nukes effectively.
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Ok. We'll have to agree to disagree then I guess. I think the world is more dangerous than it was 5 years ago but I also think we are nowhere near nuclear war. If anyone is desperate/ crazy enough to be using nukes already, they're unlikely to be dissuaded by our 200 or so nukes. Imo anyway.

I don't think either of those would drag us in to the point where we're firing off nukes tbh but again, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

They do. And let's be completely honest with ourselves here, we depend on the USA overall in NATO.
 
Cheesy said:
Presumably he'd be in the same boat as Campbell and Blair. Probably.

Out of interest, will be interesting to see how Corbyn's Cabinet is adjusted if he is elected. Can see him giving Miliband a fairly prominent position, for one, although I suspect he'll continue to stand by McDonnell and Abbott.
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Of course, he's much closer both personally and politically to McDonnell and Abbott and has been for decades.
 
Silva said:
Of course, he's much closer both personally and politically to McDonnell and Abbott and has been for decades.
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True, even if the rest of the party become more receptive to him I imagine he'll want to keep his closest allies nearby.
 
So, what's everyone's predictions as things stand? I think Labour will get a bigger share of the vote than 2 years ago, but the Tories will still increase their MP share slightly.
 
saivet said:
Nah. Not a massive deal to me. I'm largely against it, but certainly not big on my agenda.
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Be surprised if most people weren't in the same boat. Just concede and move on. But it doesn't appear to have hurt him yet either.
Cheesy said:
Presumably he'd be in the same boat as Campbell and Blair. Probably.

Out of interest, will be interesting to see how Corbyn's Cabinet is adjusted if he is elected. Can see him giving Miliband a fairly prominent position, for one, although I suspect he'll continue to stand by McDonnell and Abbott.
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Miliband has been good value of late.
 
Silva said:
So, what's everyone's predictions as things stand? I think Labour will get a bigger share of the vote than 2 years ago, but the Tories will still increase their MP share slightly.
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Agreed. Annoyingly think the Tories will increase their majority, but only by about 15-20 as opposed to the earlier predicted massacre. Think it'll end up about 45-40 barring any big last minute shifts.
 
If anyone's very confident in a Tory win, you can now get 1/4 from a few places on May being PM after the election. Corbyn's 7/2.
 
Silva said:
So, what's everyone's predictions as things stand? I think Labour will get a bigger share of the vote than 2 years ago, but the Tories will still increase their MP share slightly.
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I'm still gonna guess at a Tory majority of 50+ seats based on shy Tories and old people coming out to vote like the living dead as usual.
 
Silva said:


What the feck is going on? Is he hoping we'll forgive him and hide him in the country should he be discovered to have helped the Russians in the US election?
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Maybe he thinks Ukip stand a chance of winning in Thanet now that the Tory candidate has been tarnished.
 
Silva said:


What the feck is going on? Is he hoping we'll forgive him and hide him in the country should he be discovered to have helped the Russians in the US election?
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Did you read the article? Mackinlay beat Farage in the '15 election.
 
Pexbo said:
Did you read the article? Mackinlay beat Farage in the '15 election.
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That's known but Farage being so positive to the mainstream media is strange. He's always loved claiming bias against his party etc.
 
Pexbo said:
Did you read the article? Mackinlay beat Farage in the '15 election.
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Cheesy said:
That's known but Farage being so positive to the mainstream media is strange. He's always loved claiming bias against his party etc.
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Yeah, exactly that. He's also been surprisingly complimentary of people who was shit talking while campaigning for Brexit. At this rate he'll be campaigning for the Green party at the next election.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Maybe he thinks Ukip stand a chance of winning in Thanet now that the Tory candidate has been tarnished.
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Think that's almost impossible considering the general decline in UKIP. They couldn't manage in 2015 with their central figure contesting it. If anything Labour may stand to benefit.
 
Cheesy said:
That's known but Farage being so positive to the mainstream media is strange. He's always loved claiming bias against his party etc.
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Silva said:
Yeah, exactly that. He's also been surprisingly complimentary of people who was shit talking while campaigning for Brexit.
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Yeah fair enough, I was just taking it as face value. Like Trump thanking articles from fake news New York Times that happen to agree with him.

He has been acting strangely these last few days, positive words about Corbyn was definitely out of character.

It's why I just can't help but think that the right wing want the Tories to lose and Labour to have to deal with the poisoned chalice. There's along term strategy there that worries me.
 
Corbyn:
“A Jammie Dodger. He dodges all the important questions.” “A Custard Cream. It’s not something you’d go, ‘ooh, I want a Custard Cream’. I’d take it if it was given to me, I wouldn’t choose it off the shelf.” “Bourbon. The kind that nobody really wants but it’s often the only one left.” “Hard tack army rations. They taste horrible, they don’t fill you up, they’re not much use for anything.”

May:
“She likes shoes.” “She wants to bring back fox hunting.” “She spent a thousand pounds on a pair of trousers, didn’t she?.”

“A Jaffa Cake. She’s nice on the outside, but I don’t like the middle of a Jaffa Cake.” “A cookie. They’re tough, and they crumble.” “One of them hard ones at the bottom of the tin that have been there six months. It looks quite nice but you bite it and break all your teeth.”
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Descriptions from a Lord Ashcroft focus group :lol:
 
Who is this scum that doesn't like bourbons.
 
I think if you take a form line through the Barnet & York QTs of the last 2 nights - both reasonably representative audiences in their different ways - May would seem to have it in the bag now by a reasonable margin.

Corbyn done very well up to tonight, May pretty bad up to tonight. Tories & their press will have a good last weekend now though, after that.

@Silva
 
And if the Leader of the Opposition were a drink? “A smoothie or something, made out of something organic and foul.” “Ale. A down-to-earth pint. Something your dad would drink, your Grampy.” “Bitter lemon. Because he’s bitter, and a lemon.”

What about if Theresa May were a drink? “Bailey’s or prosecco. Because she’s sophisticated, she’s classy.” “Strong builder’s tea that you forgot to drink and it’s gone cold.” “A glass of water. You need it to survive, but there’s nothing to it.” “A double vodka. Comes with a kick.”
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Why are they asking these questions :lol:
 
I love that some people here actually think Corbyn saying publicly that he would or wouldn't use the nuclear weapon in retaliation is a factor in whether a country would nuke us or not. The simpleton logic is astounding :lol:
 
montpelier said:
I think if you take a form line through the Barnet & York QTs of the last 2 nights - both reasonably representative audiences in their different ways - May would seem to have it in the bag now by a reasonable margin.

Corbyn done very well up to tonight, May pretty bad up to tonight. Tories & their press will have a good last weekend now though, after that.

@Silva
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What's a reasonable margin? 50ish seats?
 
I didn't think Corbyn did particularity well tonight but journalists seem to have him winning over May.
 
Smores said:
I love that some people here actually think Corbyn saying publicly that he would or wouldn't use the nuclear weapon in retaliation is a factor in whether a country would nuke us or not. The simpleton logic is astounding :lol:
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Wars have frequently been started because one side doubts the other will respond. It was certainly a major factor in Argentina invading the Falklands and Saddam invading Kuwait. Ambiguity is not helpful in international diplomacy.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Wars have frequently been started because one side doubts the other will respond. It was certainly a major factor in Argentina invading the Falklands and Saddam invading Kuwait. Ambiguity is not helpful in international diplomacy.
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Elections have sometimes been called when an easy win was predicted.
 
That was painstakingly bad on the nuclear question. Just say I would hate to use it but if the situation demands it I'd have to and move on.

Other than that he outperformed her but no one will remember that.
 
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