For a party that's the most open to decriminalising drugs - you would think, that they are socially liberal.
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For a party that's the most open to decriminalising drugs - you would think, that they are socially liberal.
I refuse to get optimistic because of these polls. It heartens me somewhat that the country might not all be idiots but i still expect a slim tory majority in the day.
I say things like that...
The pill has put oestrogen in to the water. It's great! We all have bigger tits, more empathy and more open mindedness of our sexuality.
Yup.
Its about momentum now, Corbyn is everywhere, and not as a joke, not as a broken man, but as the guy people are waiting for hours to see and listen to.
May is in hiding, has a candidate facing charges for electoral fraud, yesterday defended another candidate for claiming women getting raped is their own fault (she said it was in the past, irony given her attacks on corbyn) and has hitched her future on dorito mussolini, who just declared war on the entire planet.
I have never seen anything like this since devon loche failed to win the National.
Then criticise her or the government based on any failure to meet the Paris Agreement, not an empty gesture of no practical import whatsoever. The Labour manifesto isn't offering anything groundbreaking itself from what i could see, rather a return to Cameron's husky outreach programme. Posturing won't help us adapt to climate change, and that is ultimately all that the letter amounts to.
Let's come back to this in 5-10 years and see how well those wonderful signatories have improved their nations from an emissions and efficiency standpoint.
It's not even being radical.
- Racism on the up since Brexit.
- NHS is utterly fecked under Tories with them wanting to sell off more in 2 for 1 offers.
- Police, School all under funded to the point where Headteachers and Police Chiefs have to plead for more funding.
- We aren't even reducing the National Debt despite all of these cuts.
- May doesn't have the balls to step up against Trump so how can we expect her to stand up against the EU in Brexit negotiations?
- Now they're going after OAPs with Dementia tax.
I mean, how low are we as a country willing to sink before we decide to bin the Tories and try someone else?
Plenty of political gestures are relatively empty gestures - nevertheless a strong condemnation of Trump's action would be a signal of intent. Although I'll agree those condemning him should also be judged on their actions over time as opposed to words.
I'm struggling to understand how the Tories will manage a landslide victory. I think they will be in power but I just hope Labout and other parties (bar ukip) are resilient enough to challenge it.
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Are people ever positive on the doorsteps out of interest? I've not done it personally but from those ive spoken to it seems to always be a negative experience. People want to bust your balls as it were.
I'm really unsure what's going to happen, after it all.
Assuming a Tory majority, it's going to be a lot harder than expected for the 'Centrists' to tell the 'Corbynistas' that their brand of politics doesn't work, if these polls are remotely close to what happens. It seems likely now that hell get a higher vote share than Brown and possible that he'll beat Blair's vote share from '05.
The infighting continues, then, I imagine.
Yeah, I've mocked the "we are his media" thing and the non-voter strategy more than anyone, but if they pull this off then fair play, I was extremely wrong.
Or, it could be 1987 again. Genuinely no idea. Wouldn't be surprised at any Tory seat total in next week's exit poll between 300 and 380 now.
Some event that gets the young vote out would be handy.
I do wonder what it'll mean if it ends up close. Will he stay on and will the party try to maintain this momentum or still try to revert to the centre and argue amongst itself.
Labour will still have lost so the PLP arguably will have been proven right but that doesnt mean a shift is needed. Back to the same post Ed situation basically
Labour will still have lost so the PLP arguably will have been proven right but that doesnt mean a shift is needed. Back to the same post Ed situation basically
I'm not sure who could replace Corbyn without pissing off the majority of Labour members.I do wonder what it'll mean if it ends up close. Will he stay on and will the party try to maintain this momentum or still try to revert to the centre and argue amongst itself.
Labour will still have lost so the PLP arguably will have been proven right but that doesnt mean a shift is needed. Back to the same post Ed situation basically
To be fair, most would probably argue that while Corbyn's ran a fantastic campaign, he's benefited from being up against an appalling Prime Minister who's running a horrendously bad campaign. And while the increased vote share is a positive, it's partly because of the decline of the Lib Dems - had they been sitting on 7% in the Blair era, Labour might have been hitting 50%.
Clive Lewis seems like a possible compromise but I'm not sure the centrist-wing will be too keen on him.
They most certainly will and as relevant as it is I'm not sure it'll do the job.
I'm not holding my breath, but I think this will be the highest turnout for young voters in quite some time.
He fancies PR so would get my vote. I still reckon Corbyn stays on, with centrist Labour/Tories either joining Libs or starting a new party on a PR platform.
Aye, I'm not sure it will. Unsure what the best option is either; can see why Corbyn's supporters would be pissed off if his wing of the party are ousted, but at the same time the centrists probably have some fair points, and I still think a defeat's a poor result for Labour. If everyone could act like adults, perhaps they'd reach an alright compromise...
I do wonder what it'll mean if it ends up close. Will he stay on and will the party try to maintain this momentum or still try to revert to the centre and argue amongst itself.
Labour will still have lost so the PLP arguably will have been proven right but that doesnt mean a shift is needed. Back to the same post Ed situation basically
I'm obviously biased here but I think it looks like Corbynism was the right direction. The manifesto is great, there's no doubt about that. Far from the suicide note of '83. The lead among the young is nuts, even if the turnout ends up not being great, in 4-5 years time you try to build on that by keeping the current 18-24s on board and appealing to the new ones. You do not revert back to Blair/Brown/Milibandism.
Definitely true but the public's reaction to the policies and language is key. The idea of what electable looks like seems a very difficult and fluid one to settle on.
That's the dream.
Alas, first New Labour ignored the wishes of their membership for many years and then the membership took their chance to ignore the wishes of the PLP.
I suppose it depends on what state the economy is in, if the economy dives post Brexit a more centrist platform may be the better option.
Still it'll probably be a landslide, i shouldn't trust the polls
Pretty much this. This election manifesto will have to be the ground bases for anyone who wants to be leadership candidate.
Personally I think the PLP are fecked, as the members can say that the laughable bad coup and attacks stopped Labour getting that extra bit in the polls(If the polls are right and it's a close election), wither this is right or wrong isn't really the point. It's a stronger than anything the PLP will have.
There is the ''the old have wrecked our futures'' perspective caused by the Brexit vote which is a new factor, perhaps
(not convinced meself tbh,
)Really odd. You would have image there's going to be some serious talks about the failing of them this elections, Farron again today couldn't say that gay sex isn't a sin(I image because he believes it is).
Awful awful party.
I know I can't see the problem.
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Pay no attention to polls. Like this one...
You know, in some ways it could be the best possible outcome for Labour (and by extension the people) for it to be a very slim Tory win. It would make the Tories and May look utterly ridiculous for holding an expensive election that delivers basically no change in parliament, they would remain responsible for the damage that hits with Brexit, and the narrow majority and weakened government reputatation would make it very hard for them to push through any more severe austerity measures. Corbyn meanwhile would have proven that he's a viable leader, and he could spend the next 5 years building up Labour as a real force again. If things went too badly we could even end up with a quicker election via a vote of no confidence.
I'd still be very happy if there's a hung parliament, but it worries me that the Tories might manage to slither out of taking responsibility for what they've set in motion, and then transfer the blame onto the left.
Nobody will like the hangover though, which is when the Tories get elected again and have to institute significant cuts because Corbyn's economic plan was a fiasco. Bills and taxes will have been rising all the while as well. This is assuming that our increased national debt doesn't collide with another financial crash of course.
The results in 2015 really left me so depressed as I didn't think it would turn out like that. This year I am expecting a majority tory government. That said we live in a world where people voted to leave the EU and Trump got elected, anything can happen.
The current Tory economic plan is a fiasco Nick given that the National Debt hasn't down down despite the heavy cuts in Public Services.
IT'S ON!