General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Anyone seen any good, convincing leaflets exposing the Tories plans re: the Naylor Report and the NHS sell-off? Can't really drop a video through a letterbox.
 
Anyone seen any good, convincing leaflets exposing the Tories plans re: the Naylor Report and the NHS sell-off? Can't really drop a video through a letterbox.

Leaflets no*, but there is a good video circling, sadly not enough. The Naylor Report is a disgrace.

EDIT* Not that I've seen I should say.
 
fecking hell I'd only just got home from a festival when it was starting, that's only a 10 minute walk from me and I didn't even realise it was happening :(
Here's what we missed. I stayed home. Skip the first 6 mins.
 
So BBC News saw fit to broadcast Rudd saying Corbyn voted against "anti-terror" legislation but not Corbyn's reply that The Appeaser and David Davis did so too. Where did Ubik get to?
yeah that annoyed me! ive never bought into the whole bias BBC thing im starting to now sadly
 
Course they fecking were, Corbyn speaks and virtually the whole audience applaud.
Pretty partisan Labour crowd, am c20 mins in. Rudd's ok- competent, but certainly not warm.
 
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There's not much else I can say to you. I have no idea what you've read, or where you've read it, to come to that conclusion, but it's simply incongruous with reality and sums up the lack of knowledge both of the EU as a whole, and the Brexit process, that has sadly characterised the debate over the last year.

I'm not going to be the one to sit here and argue against your delusions, it's already painful enough to read you posts without encouraging you to do it more, it's just sad that you can be wrong with such confidence.

Made a relevant point which you ignored. If the EU is wanting assurances about residents living here, and their children and grandchildren, it's obvious they are accepting that free movement is probably coming to an end in the UK, yes?
Otherwise they wouldn't be asking for such assurances, would they?
 
After that farce of a biased audience, she would have been set up. She won the awful debate by not showing up.
So she gave Corbyn less ammunition by not turning up?, even if she did he wouldn't have got any answers out of her. Looks better for Labour that she didn't show IMO
 
Anyone seen any good, convincing leaflets exposing the Tories plans re: the Naylor Report and the NHS sell-off? Can't really drop a video through a letterbox.
Is there actually a balanced report on this review? When I google it I just get a load of crackpot shit.
Securitising property to free up cash can be cost-effective when do well. It takes buildings maintenance off your balance sheet and provide a capital injection. Not seen the review and the proposals in this specific review though.
 
Your bitterness shines through in every post. It's pretty amusing.
I'm a trad Tory voter backing Labour in this election and I feel the audience is fecking biased tbh.
 
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Honestly, if Nuttall can get a big applause, I don't think bias was such a problem. The reason the Tories have lost as much ground as they have is because they've been completely shit and uninspiring.
 
Was the audience notably pro-Labour?
It was picked using data from polls. Apparently it was representative of the electorate. If Corbyn got more applause it might have been due in no small part to the fact that May held the audience (and the wider nation) in contempt with her absence.
 
https://twitter.com/i/moments/870039073301442560

Thursday front pages:

City AM: PM urges country to unite behind Brexit "opportunities"
Independent Digital: Corbyn: winning is the only result I'll take
The National (Scottish paper): Missing May is 'u-turn' queen
Daily Mail: Fury at bias on BBC TV debate
i: Ambush
The Sun: PM: Vote Tory for best Brexit
The Guardian: Corbyn confronts Rudd on cuts in fractious TV debate
The Times: Have faith in me: May fights back with Brexit
Daily Star: Corbyn does a u-turn
Daily Express: Corbyn's plot to bring in migrant workers
Metro: The lady's not for turning... up
 
Made a relevant point which you ignored. If the EU is wanting assurances about residents living here, and their children and grandchildren, it's obvious they are accepting that free movement is probably coming to an end in the UK, yes?
Otherwise they wouldn't be asking for such assurances, would they?

I didn't ignore it. I told you it was wrong.

The EU's position from the start has obviously, and unambiguously, been that the UK is either out or in, if it wants access to the single market then that means free movement, if it wants to end free movement then that means no access. Britain can't, to borrow an overused phrase, have its cake and eat it.

You're almost sounding like you think the EU has left the UK and is itself the one desperate for a deal. In reality it's our PM on TV trying to get the public ready for a disastrous 'no deal' Brexit.
 
So BBC News saw fit to broadcast Rudd saying Corbyn voted against "anti-terror" legislation but not Corbyn's reply that The Appeaser and David Davis did so too. Where did Ubik get to?
Same was done on the BBC's live feed
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BBC on the audience:



For me they were definitely Labour leaning but Nuttall got applause from the audience too.
 


I take it you've deleted it because you saw they changed it, but for anyone that didn't the original last tweet here was worded as if people preferred a Tory win and now is on their feed as the public expects a Conservative win (but only 62% which seems quite low) which makes much more sense.
 
I take it this is a joke in poor taste, I'd like to know.

Of course it's not a bloody joke, i've been on the phone to Rentacanon this past half hour or more. You just can't find the staff these days... ;) What is poor taste about it?

I wouldn't mind someone in this thread justifying the NHS privatisation hyperbole, but that rot has been prevalent for several years.
 
Same was done on the BBC's live feed
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BBC on the audience:



For me they were definitely Labour leaning but Nuttall got applause from the audience too.


I think he only got applause on the 'people that go to fight for ISIS should have their passports taken away from them' quote? I can see why it is popular, I wouldn't go that far myself (legally I'm not even certain we can), but if we know who they are I can't see a single good reason why they're not locked up immediately upon their return.
 
Honestly, if Nuttall can get a big applause, I don't think bias was such a problem. The reason the Tories have lost as much ground as they have is because they've been completely shit and uninspiring.

He got a big applause on something you would expect any politician to receive if they said that British citizens going abroad to fight for Isis should have their passport revoked.
 
I'm a trad Tory voter backing Labour in this election and I feel the audience is fecking biased tbh.

On radio 5 at least they made a pretty big thing at the start on how they'd picked the audience fairly, based on previous voting, both in the last general election and on brexit, so are you saying the BBC cocked that up, or were they lying? Or maybe Labour supporters tend to be younger and more vociferous? If that, and it's pretty obvious it is, I don't really know what could or should be done about it.
 
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Maybe they were biased because the leader of the conservatives deemed them to be not worthy of her time.
Balls. Tory voters would be glad she didn't.

Must admit I am getting election fatigue.
 
Okay, so me and my cat are pretty terrible with politics, and I want a fair and non-biased opinion, so far from what I have seen I want to vote Labour as their manifesto seems to make sense and promotes Education.

So why should I vote Tories? All I hear is how bad they are, and I want to know why they are wrong and why are they actually good for the country? I hear nothing but negativity but they clearly are getting lots of support, but why?
 
A free for all NHS is too expensive to sustain. Some kind of change, think in lines of something like Obama care, is inevitable at some stage in the future no matter which party is in power.
 
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Of course it's not a bloody joke, i've been on the phone to Rentacanon this past half hour or more. You just can't find the staff these days... ;) What is poor taste about it?

I wouldn't mind someone in this thread justifying the NHS privatisation hyperbole, but that rot has been prevalent for several years.

State sanctioned violence against a peaceful political rally? NHS privatisation is happening and your guff about other health services have more privatisation is a goal-post shifting argument, our NHS is public, or should be. I can't read your tone so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if you can't see what's in poor taste about using a water canon on some labour supporters, any supporters of any legitimate political party for that matter, then it might be a problem.
 
It wasn't a small number in the audience who were pro Corbyn. You could tell it was an overwhelming number once the camera feed switched to the audience after Corbyn spoke and the loud cheering and clapping by the audience.
 
I think he only got applause on the 'people that go to fight for ISIS should have their passports taken away from them' quote? I can see why it is popular, I wouldn't go that far myself (legally I'm not even certain we can), but if we know who they are I can't see a single good reason why they're not locked up immediately upon their return.
Fair enough. I thought he got applause for something else too but guess not.
 
A free for NHS is too expensive to sustain. Some kind of change, think in lines of something like Obama care, is inevitable at some stage in the future no matter which party is in power.

This is totally untrue, we pay far LESS per capital than America do. We can easily afford to pay for the NHS if we choose to.
 
As party leader I think Corbyn is hopeless. However, one thing the election has shown already is that Corbyn is a brilliant campaigner, something the Tories clearly didn't reckon with. Mind you, I still think the Tories will win enough seats to form a majority government sadly enough.
 
I didn't ignore it. I told you it was wrong.

The EU's position from the start has obviously, and unambiguously, been that the UK is either out or in, if it wants access to the single market then that means free movement, if it wants to end free movement then that means no access. Britain can't, to borrow an overused phrase, have its cake and eat it.

You're almost sounding like you think the EU has left the UK and is itself the one desperate for a deal. In reality it's our PM on TV trying to get the public ready for a disastrous 'no deal' Brexit.

Obviously right now we know very little about the deal involving our access to the single market, but I find it odd that you don't see the significance in the fact that the EU want assurances about the EU members and their children and grandchildren. Maybe you haven't seen the EU's proposal, but if they are wanting assurances about who gets to come to the UK, and their rights, it must be a sign that the EU is beginning to accept that free movement will be coming to an end. One guy here the other day was adamant this will not happen.
 
On radio 5 at least they made a pretty big thing at the start on how they'd picked the audience fairly, based on previous voting, both in the last general election and on brexit, so are you saying the BBC cocked that up, or were they lying? Or maybe Labour supporters tend to be younger and more vociferous? If that, and it's pretty obvious it is, I don't really know what could or should be done about it.
I dunno tbh. Makes me sick to my stomach though. Or down with this sort of thing gif.
 
Okay, so me and my cat are pretty terrible with politics, and I want a fair and non-biased opinion, so far from what I have seen I want to vote Labour as their manifesto seems to make sense and promotes Education.

So why should I vote Tories? All I hear is how bad they are, and I want to know why they are wrong and why are they actually good for the country? I hear nothing but negativity but they clearly are getting lots of support, but why?
'Corbyn's magic money tree.'