General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
No one wanted to shake hands with Nuttall.

Angus Robertson's little hop down the stage to shake hands with the audience was as amusing as his beeline to go shake hands with literally everyone other than him. Or was that Farron, idk.
 


Sun's live debate updates:
BBC Election Debate 2017 live updates – Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Amber Rudd for ‘chilling’ record of voting AGAINST anti-terror laws

And she said: “I am shocked that Corbyn in 2011 boasted that he had opposed every piece of anti-terror legislation in 30 years. I find it chilling.”

He hit back, claiming the Tories had taken Personal Independence Payments away from disabled people, telling her: “You’re not credible on this issue.”

Weird. I thought he hit back saying May also opposed anti-terror legislation but there doesn't seem to be any mention of that so guess it didn't happen.
 
Good showing by Corbyn, Lucas, Robertson, and at times Farron. Wood was weak, Rudd looked like an evil ventriloquists dummy and Nuttal just confirmed he's a massive cnut.
 
I missed bits of that but, from what I saw/heard, I have to say I was disappointed that Corbyn didn't do better. Not really his format. Some difficult questions can't adequately be answered in brief. Lucas and Robertson did better, imo. Farron did surprisingly well.
 
Farron :lol:. Theresa May did well to avoid this though, as bad as it looked tonight.
yeah i tend to agree, but all depends on the veiwing figures and the way its spun.

If people tuned out early becuase the squabbling was annoying then May will do well out of this, if people stuck it out the last 5 mins of lets lay into may will do her some harm.

to be honest it probably hasn't made much difference at all
 
yeah i tend to agree, but all depends on the veiwing figures and the way its spun.

If people tuned out early becuase the squabbling was annoying then May will do well out of this, if people stuck it out the last 5 mins of lets lay into may will do her some harm.

to be honest it probably hasn't made much difference at all

Yeah I've been calling her rotten for missing it and laughing along with the jibes but she knew full well it'd be less damaging this way for any incumbent, but particularly for her as she's not got half Cameron's presentability.
 
Sorry Damien, this fact didn't make it through the 'they're ditching Leveson 2' filter.

He really should have brought the Leveson 2 up and explained to the public why the media is so intent on getting May elected. Maybe he did I missed half of it.
 
I called the Tories going last as soon as she said 'random' draw. I have honestly lost faith in the BBC during this election. What a fecking joke. Thank god Farron said something.

Overall it's a massive win for May. Far too much fighting between parties. Why the feck were they not hammering May and the Tories with every sentence.

The questions were also awful - no NHS or Education. Only questions suited for the Tories, typical.

I sincerely hope Angus doesn't lose his seat, but I fear he will. It's a shame, because it looks like it will be the SNP in opposition yet again.
 
Yeah. I remember when she went to that industrial estate and the journalists were shut in a room, away from the PM, only being let out to ask a small number of questions which they couldn't record.

Or the time she spoke to a room of people in a building in Leeds. Though the people in the building weren't local or people who worked in the office, they were people invited by the party and after the workers had left for the day.

Or the time she listed a rally in Scotland as a children's birthday party in a village hall so locals wouldn't be aware of it.

Or the time she visited a factory in Derbyshire, only, for some reason there weren't any factory workers there and she only answered a few questions from journalists.

When asked today why she wasn't debating, she came up with four different excuses, not being able to stick to one. These are:

Where these basically consist of her making a joke out of the questions he asks to guffaws and backslapping from her back benches.

Yeah, so important that she's hiding most of the time.

See above.

There it is. Putting focus back on Brexit again.

Her slogan for a large part of the campaign was strong and stable. So strong, she's hiding behind the media letting them argue for her. So strong, she shirks interactions with the public. So strong, she resorts to nasty jibes about the opposition and members of their family rather than speak about her manifesto and the positives in it and reasons to vote for her.

As for stability, a PS4 firmware update is more stable.
If I could be arsed I'd stand up and applaud this post.
 
I called the Tories going last as soon as she said 'random' draw. I have honestly lost faith in the BBC during this election. What a fecking joke. Thank god Farron said something.

Overall it's a massive win for May. Far too much fighting between parties. Why the feck were they not hammering May and the Tories with every sentence.

The questions were also awful - no NHS or Education. Only questions suited for the Tories, typical.

I sincerely hope Angus doesn't lose his seat, but I fear he will. It's a shame, because it looks like it will be the SNP in opposition yet again.

I have to respectfully disagree with that, total own goal, she's dropped a bollock here.
 
I called the Tories going last as soon as she said 'random' draw. I have honestly lost faith in the BBC during this election. What a fecking joke. Thank god Farron said something.

Overall it's a massive win for May. Far too much fighting between parties. Why the feck were they not hammering May and the Tories with every sentence.

The questions were also awful - no NHS or Education. Only questions suited for the Tories, typical.

I sincerely hope Angus doesn't lose his seat, but I fear he will. It's a shame, because it looks like it will be the SNP in opposition yet again.
yeah i agree with pretty much everything you've said,wasnt a well done debate was bsaically 80 mins of people shouting at each other over some terrible questions, then 5 mins of laying into may for not turning up, then the conservatives get the final word.....

I suppose corbyn had to take the gamble and go but i don't think it helped him much if at all
 
Think Labour can be reasonably pleased with their decision to send Corbyn. Don't think it did damage to him but the few that watched even five minutes of it have seen plenty of May bashing.
 
I have to respectfully disagree with that, total own goal, she's dropped a bollock here.
I disagree. Rudd held her own against little attack. Was allowed to skip over questions she was asked, as other leaders were grilled by direct zingers from the mediator. People will also remember the 'coalition of chaos' line. Needed to see less disagreement from the Lab/Lib/SNP.
 
I sincerely hope Angus doesn't lose his seat, but I fear he will. It's a shame, because it looks like it will be the SNP in opposition yet again.
I don't think he will. He consolidated his lead the last time out. It'll be tight but he'll win.
 
Think May's decision to send Rudd despite the death of her father two days ago makes it look positively callous, let alone cowardly.
 
That depends on whether the media latch onto it. They won't.
Exactly. Don't expect to see anything about May's absence on the 10 o'clock news either. It will be the coalition of chaos line. Calling it now.
 
I agree. I hope people at home will be questioning Theresa's ability to lead this country.

Alright stranger! Absolutely, they'll feel slighted and if they don't, they probably should.

I disagree. Rudd held her own against little attack. Was allowed to skip over questions she was asked, as other leaders were grilled by direct zingers from the mediator. People will also remember the 'coalition of chaos' line. Needed to see less disagreement from the Lab/Lib/SNP.

She was consistently jeered, I agree with the media bias though. They'll also have seen they every party, UKIP aside, is strongly against austerity and the cruel policies. If the public attitude is the same, they'll take that risk or vote Labour. That's what I hope anyway.
 
Think Labour can be reasonably pleased with their decision to send Corbyn. Don't think it did damage to him but the few that watched even five minutes of it have seen plenty of May bashing.
their wasn't much may bashing really till the last 5 mins, before that they where mainly taking pot shots at each other and shouting over the top of each other
 
Think May's decision to send Rudd despite the death of her father two days ago makes it look positively callous, let alone cowardly.
Why do companies have spokesmen?

Theresa May would have died up there tonight, it's no reflection on her as a leader just that there was someone better to fulfil the role of public debate for the Conservatives tonight.
 
Wow I didn't realise the caf was so pro-labour. Or is it just anti-torie?
 
I disagree. Rudd held her own against little attack. Was allowed to skip over questions she was asked, as other leaders were grilled by direct zingers from the mediator. People will also remember the 'coalition of chaos' line. Needed to see less disagreement from the Lab/Lib/SNP.

Rudd needed the mediator to step in and change topics/questions when it came down to it. The Saudi Arms dealer come back by Lucas & Corbyn's fact checking about May's previous positions on voting on terror.
They wont be forgotten.

And I fail to see how that makes May come out strongly as a result.
 
Why do companies have spokesmen?

Theresa May would have died up there tonight, it's no reflection on her as a leader just that there was someone better to fulfil the role of public debate for the Conservatives tonight.

So how is it reassuring she's going to represent the country in Brexit negotiations when she's not even the best person in her party to represent them?
 
Meanwhile.... Mrs May is probably on the naughty step at home right now. The girl's naughty step.