I wish I could do written or oral impressions of people. What a mugwump
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He elicits emotion, I understand mate. I'm confident Corbyn will do well.
And by confident I mean I'm bricking it and praying he will do well!
My mum has been hypnotised into think Corbyn isn't fit to lead because he has bad tastes in suits, and isn't as polished as Cameron or Blair was.
Amazingly, she has no comment about May.
I'm with you, the mind absolutely boggles.
I think the plan is to increase dementia rates, then target them in future elections. Fool-proof.
I preferred it when pollsters were all similarly wrong so I'd at least think I knew what was going on.
That's a great pity, you should really try and persuade her otherwise, she's almost certainly the demograph which is going to win the election for May. Reasoning as poor as that is can be really entrenched though, I suspect the public's problem with Corbyn is something just on the tip of their tongues, a suspicion that the media and the tories have embedded very well, sadly, it's almost impossible to argue against because it's something unknowable in terms, quantified only because 'it exists.'
No surprise that with longer and better (and if only it were fairer) coverage of Corbyn, he has risen in the polls. He's not the spooky poltergeist of the IRA or a communist in a 'bad' suit, he's at least human not a droid.
People's Assembly Press Release
Wednesday 31 May 2017
Immediate Release
What: Captain Ska & People's Assembly protest & party outside BBC Chart Show
When: Friday 2 June 2017, 4pm - 7pm
Where: BBC Broadcasting Hose, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA
Captain Ska's track, accusing Theresa May of being a "Liar Liar" has stormed to the top of the charts - but the radio broadcasters are refusing to play it.
The track's promoters, the People's Assembly Against Austerity, and Captain Ska have called for a "protest and party" outside the BBC headquarters as the Radio One Chart Show is aired to demand the track is played. On the facebook event page they stated "If they wont play it on the airways we'll blast the song to the public ourselves!"
Earlier in the week the song hit No.10 on the Big Top 40 download charts but radio stations refused to play the song. Since then the song has hit No.1 in the iTunes download charts and looks set to be high up in the official charts this Friday.
BBC Radio One has said "...our editorial guidelines require us to remain impartial and the UK is currently in an election period so we will not be playing the song"
Sam Fairbairn, People's Assembly national secretary, said "The BBC has been anything but impartial throughout the election campaign with a constant bias in favour of the Conservatives. We believe true public opinion should be heard. The popularity of this song shows people are fed up with Theresa May's lies and a Government who's cut, privatised and attacked the poorest and most vulnerable people for too long now."
Jake Painter, band member and songwriter, said "We're overwhelmed by public support and how news of this track has spread globally from the New York Times to the Australian media and everywhere in-between. The fact we, as an unsigned band, had to rely on the People's Assembly to operate as a label and have managed to get this far is a damning indication of how unpolitical the music industry has become. To have the BBC and other broadcasters censor our song is effectively saying that people can't express their political views through popular culture."
Captain Ska's "Liar Liar GE2017" is a scathing attack on the Conservative's record in office, attacking the Tories over food banks, the NHS crisis, education funding crisis and a drop in living standards.
ENDS
Wednesday 31 May 2017
Immediate Release
What: Captain Ska & People's Assembly protest & party outside BBC Chart Show
When: Friday 2 June 2017, 4pm - 7pm
Where: BBC Broadcasting Hose, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA
Captain Ska's track, accusing Theresa May of being a "Liar Liar" has stormed to the top of the charts - but the radio broadcasters are refusing to play it.
The track's promoters, the People's Assembly Against Austerity, and Captain Ska have called for a "protest and party" outside the BBC headquarters as the Radio One Chart Show is aired to demand the track is played. On the facebook event page they stated "If they wont play it on the airways we'll blast the song to the public ourselves!"
Earlier in the week the song hit No.10 on the Big Top 40 download charts but radio stations refused to play the song. Since then the song has hit No.1 in the iTunes download charts and looks set to be high up in the official charts this Friday.
BBC Radio One has said "...our editorial guidelines require us to remain impartial and the UK is currently in an election period so we will not be playing the song"
Sam Fairbairn, People's Assembly national secretary, said "The BBC has been anything but impartial throughout the election campaign with a constant bias in favour of the Conservatives. We believe true public opinion should be heard. The popularity of this song shows people are fed up with Theresa May's lies and a Government who's cut, privatised and attacked the poorest and most vulnerable people for too long now."
Jake Painter, band member and songwriter, said "We're overwhelmed by public support and how news of this track has spread globally from the New York Times to the Australian media and everywhere in-between. The fact we, as an unsigned band, had to rely on the People's Assembly to operate as a label and have managed to get this far is a damning indication of how unpolitical the music industry has become. To have the BBC and other broadcasters censor our song is effectively saying that people can't express their political views through popular culture."
Captain Ska's "Liar Liar GE2017" is a scathing attack on the Conservative's record in office, attacking the Tories over food banks, the NHS crisis, education funding crisis and a drop in living standards.
ENDS
My mum is a strange demographic - first generation non-eu immigrant, grew up working class - all points to a traditional Labour voter.
But she likes people to look the part because she doesn't really understand politics as such, she doesn't care about IRA - but she does care about ISIS and is convinced Muslims need harsher guidelines as a result, doesn't like people on benefits considering she had to work hard all her life etc.
If we were in America i'm sure she'd vote for Trump, strangely enough.
I think there's a lot of people out there who are similar.
Its not like theyd be choosing to air it though, its their standard chart update of which they've not played a part in the selection.
This is just them taking the safer route legally i guess, dont blame them. They've made it a bigger story if anything
This is just them taking the safer route legally i guess, dont blame them. They've made it a bigger story if anything
Don't think there will be a shift. I'm thinking it could be worth betting on a Tory majority if Jez does well tonight and the betting markets move. With the yougov report from this morning we're probably at peak Corbynmania. He's running a great campaign but likely still a way off stopping a Tory majority.
I see, interesting. You could try and point out that Corbyn in some ways represents the groundswell of people reacting to elitism, much like Trump gained that crowd, fighting against the entrenched government, etc. It's difficult.
May is by far and away the worst PM I've seen in my lifetime. I mean I know I've not been around that long, but she's terrible. You don't know what decisions she makes and what decisions she's told to make because she has no conviction with any of them. She's a terrible speaker. You could ask her what she had for breakfast and she could give you an honest answer, but somehow convey it in a way that both made it sound like a lie, and that she detests your existence. She's so bad at speaking they've had to keep her away from television...I mean seriously. This is the Prime Minister.
All she bangs on about is Brexit negotiations and the importance of them, but that in itself is a reason NOT to vote for her so it makes no sense. She's had one dinner meeting and already managed to tell the people she needs to negotiate a deal with that she's a "bloody difficult woman"...You haven't even started negotiating yet and you're already using nuclear tactics. That isn't going to end well.
When debating in parliament, she's used tactics like using the other person's family to attack them rather than defend her point. Not even to help make her point. She tried to use Corbyn's children to belittle his stance on grammar schools, but Corbyn supposedly fell out with his wife over the issue, so actually the thing she attacked him with shows how strongly he feels about it, not how weakly. So either she's a complete idiot, or just values childish personal attacks over informed reasoning or basic logic. This person is the PRIME MINISTER of England...a person who if you worked with, you'd probably try to avoid talking to or giving anything important to do.
This is before you even get to any of her politics and the evil manifesto which actually genuinely sounds like some kind of prelude to 1984.
Corbyn has also won me over a lot but I'm not sure if it's more to do with how bad May is. I've always liked Corbyn's ideals but been unsure of him as a character. When you listen to him speak though, compared to May he sounds passionate, he sounds genuine. He sounds like someone who would try to do the things he's said he's going to do, because he genuinely believes they are correct. I think May has made him look stronger because of how rubbish she is.
I'm going to be genuinely depressed when she scrapes through with a majority and gets the chance to make nearly everyone's lives a bit shitter for another 5 years.
All she bangs on about is Brexit negotiations and the importance of them, but that in itself is a reason NOT to vote for her so it makes no sense. She's had one dinner meeting and already managed to tell the people she needs to negotiate a deal with that she's a "bloody difficult woman"...You haven't even started negotiating yet and you're already using nuclear tactics. That isn't going to end well.
When debating in parliament, she's used tactics like using the other person's family to attack them rather than defend her point. Not even to help make her point. She tried to use Corbyn's children to belittle his stance on grammar schools, but Corbyn supposedly fell out with his wife over the issue, so actually the thing she attacked him with shows how strongly he feels about it, not how weakly. So either she's a complete idiot, or just values childish personal attacks over informed reasoning or basic logic. This person is the PRIME MINISTER of England...a person who if you worked with, you'd probably try to avoid talking to or giving anything important to do.
This is before you even get to any of her politics and the evil manifesto which actually genuinely sounds like some kind of prelude to 1984.
Corbyn has also won me over a lot but I'm not sure if it's more to do with how bad May is. I've always liked Corbyn's ideals but been unsure of him as a character. When you listen to him speak though, compared to May he sounds passionate, he sounds genuine. He sounds like someone who would try to do the things he's said he's going to do, because he genuinely believes they are correct. I think May has made him look stronger because of how rubbish she is.
I'm going to be genuinely depressed when she scrapes through with a majority and gets the chance to make nearly everyone's lives a bit shitter for another 5 years.
The Yougov poll is a massive outlier, I don't think anyone is taking it too seriously. We are all well aware of the shy Tory factor also. I can see what you are saying regarding odds shifting in his favour though. I've stuck my money on the Tories already though so will miss out haha.
To add another antagonistic anecdote - a friend of mine is door knocking for Labour in London, I asked him for his thoughts on the yougov report. He says that "people absolutely hate us" and thinks the party will still get slaughtered. And that's in London...
I've obviously no idea what's going to happen, but would recommend tempering enthusiasm.
I've obviously no idea what's going to happen, but would recommend tempering enthusiasm.
Given that the Lib Dems are very similar to the Tories other than in two areas; benefits and brexit... I wonder if we could see them teaming up once more with the promise of EURef2
I share her belief that JC should be giving serious thought to the Brexit negotiations ahead of his move into No. 10.
Would mean a massive shift in a lot of their support to Labour/Greens. Risky for them I think.
I personally think Lib Dems will become the refuge for the Blairites if Corbyn stays on. Running on a pr platform.
You're not wrong you know, she has a track record of unerringly consistent failure, considering this - a ceaseless, monolith of failure - is somehow being touted as the only person for the most important negotiation this country has had since, well, wartime aside - ever?
On this basis alone Corbyn would be better for the negotiation because he seems capable of speaking to fellow human beings without 404'ing or pausing to maniacally laugh while a patch update begins installing.
Also listen to how she says the word negotiation, she adds a particularly flawed and false RP accent to the word, it's funny. She says it as if she's sipping on champagne at the same time, perhaps because she thinks it's her golden ticket to victory. She refuses to debate which are effectively negotiations without terms, but somehow thinks when it comes to negotiations (sort of like a debate with genuine outcomes, Mrs May) she's the woman. I actually doubt she thinks that.
I doubt she thinks, period.
No chance. If Lib Dems want any chance of remaining relevant, this is their chance to make up for the debacle of 2010. If they side with the Tories again, they're finished once and for all.
Cracking post - agree with it all.
I called Theresa May’s NHS lies ‘bollocks’ on live TV. Now I’m voting Labour - Mark Wilson
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nhs-lies-bollocks-voting-labour-jeremy-corbyn
Mark Wilson said:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nhs-lies-bollocks-voting-labour-jeremy-corbyn
Where in London is this though?
You are probably right.
Still, if the Tories *just* fail to get over the line, what other choice is there?
Lib Dem and Tory OR Lib Dem and Labour and SNP and Green and ?
Could get messy. Maybe a Tory minority government would stay in power.
The new YouGov model has Tories winning Kensington by two points...hmm.
I still don't see why people feel that Corbyn is any more competent to run the country than May. Just because he seems to be a nice chap doesn't qualify him for Prime Minister. Labour will take delight in bankrupting the country (again) and then leave the Tories to sort out the mess, who will be seen as mean. If they actually run the country in such a way as to break even, which they never ever and will never ever do, even during the good times, then we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.
The big issue here is that we are stuck with this fecking Bexit bollocks which only, only, has downsides.
The big issue here is that we are stuck with this fecking Bexit bollocks which only, only, has downsides.
Tories sort out the mess? Is that why public services are collapsing and the deficit has gone up?
No offence Colin, but we are seeing cuts left right and centre.. yet the deficit has grown?
Also this decision to adopt a hard brexit, in what world are the Conservatives to be trusted with the economy?
Are they not as likely to bankrupt us as the Labour Party?
Deficit isn't going up guys. It's not shrinking at the rate they said it would, but it is going down.
The whole problem is this Brexit bollocks, it's idiotic.
I am still waiting to hear one single benefit of leaving, anything at all.
I assume he's referring to the debt
I assume he's referring to the debt
That's correct, and my bad.
If we had a Labour government now, the Tories would be showing that debt graph everywhere as proof that 'Labour can't be trusted on the economy'. Yet because its a Tory government its supposed to be positive..
It's a pet hate of mine when people don't get the difference between the two, and it seems a pretty common misunderstanding. It's such a huge difference and people are voting on this as a major issue.
I assume he's referring to the debt
The only way to reduce the overall debt is to spend less than you earn, i.e. balance the budget. When/if they can balance the budget, then you are in position to increase spending.
The classic labour are bad with money meme I've always felt is used as a justification to sponsor policies that visibly impact the poorest in our society and our public services. It's a good way to absolve any guilt when you believe the alternative is some sort of wild night at the casino throwing away the nations wealth, even though it's patently bollocks. If only Blair and Brown hadn't sold all those sub-prime mortgages!
You categorically said they fix the mess, now the debt is rising and the deficit is dropping but not at levels they expected or wanted. So what exactly are they fixing? It certainly isn't the NHS, which the Naylor Report is about to sell, nor is has it fixed the increased use of foodbanks. Austerity doesn't work, if it did, surely the deficit would be dropping as they expected, because austerity is working exactly as they expected.
Oops, thought I was somehow thread banned then, I think what actually happened was that I tried to quote a deleted post.
If only economic models worked out exactly as planned.
He's in no way, shape or form, more competent than May. Every poll has May being the "better" Prime Minister.
But maybe people are coming round to him being, not a horrible person? It's very rare for a sitting government to increase their majority, maybe Labour "naturally" should be doing a lot better than they are, and we are just seeing a swing towards the natural as the Telegraph/Times/Sun/Express/Mail bias is removed, as people get to know him.
Also, from 1997 to 2007, we pretty much always had more growth than we have had under the Tory government. As much as closing the deficit is important, some proper growth would do wonders right now. There is a good chance we won't be "paying off the debt" even under a Conservative government, so the other option is grow, and shrink the debt that way.
Don't forget the UK had a non-negligible deficit from 1990-1996 under the Tories. Very similar in fact to the deficit from 2002 to 2007 under Labour. The difference being, Labour's ended with the financial crash. Also note Labour avoided the early 2000's dot com bubble (but I'm not giving them credit for that).