General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
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Is that from Twitter, Facebook or Instagram? How many followers did Foot have on social media?
 
Oh you're very much mistaken. Your mental gymnastics are hilarious.

So even though the public made it clear they wouldn't vote for him from day 1 of his leadership, we stick with him anyway, then blame the public for doing what they said they would do? Incredible hubris.
 
So even though the public made it clear they wouldn't vote for him from day 1 of his leadership, we stick with him anyway, then blame the public for doing what they said they would do? Incredible hubris.
Let me guess, the only possible solution is for him to stand down and one of the great welfare abstainers come in? Where has all this 'we' shit come from as well?
 
My wife is a nurse. Brother in law a doctor.

They think as wonderful as the NHS is...and it is, it's run by idiots, gravy trainers and excuse machines. But the procurement gets them enraged.

Ask yourself this...why does a PACKET of Ibuprofen cost 40p at Tesco's yet 70p PER PILL for the NHS?


Times this shit/non negotiation by a zillion, and add in a few rip-off MRI's machines and their insanely made-up Walt Disney running costs and all of a sudden things become very clear indeed.

I do procurement for a living, and outsourcing of procurement. I have been slated massively on here for even suggesting that there could be some savings for outsourcing this non core activity. The NHS are really shit at buying commodity products and services, but let's not let that get in the way of getting a better bang for the taxpayer's buck.
 
I see you've done that thing again where you grab the wrong end of the stick and just run with it.
There was an end to that particular stick?

I do procurement for a living, and outsourcing of procurement. I have been slated massively on here for even suggesting that there could be some savings for outsourcing this non core activity. The NHS are really shit at buying commodity products and services, but let's not let that get in the way of getting a better bang for the taxpayer's buck.
Who exactly would you outsource it to?
 
I do procurement for a living, and outsourcing of procurement. I have been slated massively on here for even suggesting that there could be some savings for outsourcing this non core activity. The NHS are really shit at buying commodity products and services, but let's not let that get in the way of getting a better bang for the taxpayer's buck.
Similar things could (should) be applied to military procurement as well...
In fact let's be honest public services are generally shit at structuring commercial deals (education being another sector that's shit at buying... police etc etc)
 
Tom Bradby is good at ITN anchor, taking the piss out of the 'strong and stable' phrase. Nice for a UK anchor to actually have a bit of personality.
 
I looked after my Dad when he had Alzheimer's. He was a very proud man. He would lie in a wet bed rather than call out. It was causing him bad skin problems. I took to sleeping on the floor beside him and assured him I was there to help. He walked so slow and was so unable to control his bladder that he often pissed himself enroute to the loo. He often cried when it happened. So fecking sad.
Sorry to hear that mate, my mum has MS and whilst she is still mostly mobile at the moment, the day she wont be isnt that far off. Like your Dad she is very proud, and I can see her not asking for help a mile away.
 
So even though the public made it clear they wouldn't vote for him from day 1 of his leadership, we stick with him anyway, then blame the public for doing what they said they would do? Incredible hubris.
What the feck are you on about? He's been voted for as leader twice, overwhelmingly. He's getting massive crowds everywhere he goes. Has he not visited your planet yet, is that your beef?
 
What the feck are you on about? He's been voted for as leader twice, overwhelmingly. He's getting massive crowds everywhere he goes. Has he not visited your planet yet, is that your beef?
So presumably you expect him to win on June 8th, and will alter your opinion if he's beaten?
 
what an idiot... though no doubt his echo chamber of followers will say the right wing media stitched him up (and she works for the guardian)
Corbyn isn't a nurse doing 12 hour days at that age though, is he?

And you claim that HE is the idiot.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...party-labour-polling-figures-suggest-they-are


That confirms what I’d expect. Labour under Corbyn attracts young middle class people, who want to play revolution, while alienating its core constituencies.
Ahh nvm. Poor old Corbyn is just missunderstood. *It is all the media* *If people would only understand...* *turkeys voting for Christmas* *They hate poor people* *Selfish idiots* *Racists*

Did i forget something?

I am in my thirties so although young, not the young that you are talking about (18-24) I am also working class and about as close to the poverty line than i have ever been largely thanks to this Tory government.

so in short, no that probably isn't the kind of people that this Labour attracts.
 
At least someone can laugh at Labour these days.
:lol:

We are laughing at you mate.

Do you know what, let me take the time to actually spell it out for you..

We as a nation have a fecking once in a lifetime opportunity to elect a good, honest man to office. But will we take it? oh hell no.

You see, nobody actually gives any legitimate reasons for Corbyn being incapable, most of the major decisions he makes after becoming elected have to go to a parliamentary vote anyway but we will ignore that largely because the sun/mail/telegraph/express tell us to.

The fact of the matter is this, If the Tories win this election, we as a country are in serious trouble.

policing.
Education.
NHS.
Public services.
Transport.

Every single one of the above issues are serious, every single one of them have faced cuts since the Tories were in power and every single one of them will continue to face cuts over the next 5 years and guess what? Working class people will vote Tory and then wonder why this is happening.

Corbyn will bring us back to the 70's apparently, people used to be able to buy a house in the 70's so there's that. May wants to bring back fox hunting and i will be brutally honest with you, if you are the kind of person that likes to chase animals and kill them, you are a fecking first class cnut.
 
Oh you're also grabbing the wrong end of that stick too, but you're just sprinting way off into the sunset with it.

I'm not saying I care but won't vote Labour "because Corbyn". Im saying the damn electorate is saying that. Since day one the public has made it clear that they won't vote for Corbyn, but Labour just digs its heels in and says "well we're not going to change, so you guys have to". Sadly, they don't need to change, they just vote elsewhere.

You don't need to tell me about the Tories will do. I run a homeless charity, I see the real world impact every day of what they do. The disappearing mental health services, the missing drug services, the impact of the bedroom tax, the LHA caps for under 35s, the rent reductions, the shitty universal credit roll outs, the sale of social housing. The last 7 years of Tory austerity has just been brutal as they slash away at what we spent 13 years building. Levels of homelessness collapsed under New Labour, now its heading right back up again. We're turning away people everyday with no money in their pockets & nowhere to go because we only have 50 rooms and our waiting list is 50 long.

It is crucial, that we stop this. Absolutely essential. There is only one way to stop it, which is a Labour Government. But you know what, in our electoral system, that requires getting more votes than the other guys, believe it or not. Which means putting someone up who's at least as popular than they are.

Which is why Labour putting up someone like Corbyn is a total fecking disgrace. The public made it clear as crystal from day one they wouldn't vote for him. We still elected him as leader a second time, put him up in a General Election anyway, and when he loses, we'll blame the electorate to make ourselves feel better. "Vote for someone you hate or you're scum". I guess it has a certain ring to it.

And now Labour is staring down the barrel of a defeat so hard that winning the next election will be a struggle too. On the 8th of June we're facing a likely decade of Tory Government, because Labour went into battle with leader so bad he was our opponent's biggest weapon.

But, hey, at least he voted against the Welfare Rights Bill right? What a legend.
Case in point that any Labour government in doesn't means a end to the poorest in society getting attacked.

This type manifesto(And the fact that Labour is now a anti austerity party) wouldn't of happened without the two Corbyn leadership wins. And a question that fails the great minds of the Labour PLP - Who would of been better than Corbyn ?

Also I might as well a get a dig in at New Labour but there really was no 13 years of building, a good amount of blame can be put on New Labour as to why this country is such shite hole.
 
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My wife is a nurse. Brother in law a doctor.

They think as wonderful as the NHS is...and it is, it's run by idiots, gravy trainers and excuse machines. But the procurement gets them enraged.

Ask yourself this...why does a PACKET of Ibuprofen cost 40p at Tesco's yet 70p PER PILL for the NHS?

Times this shit/non negotiation by a zillion, and add in a few rip-off MRI's machines and their insanely made-up Walt Disney running costs and all of a sudden things become very clear indeed.

It's easy to understand why they burn through so much money when you deal with the support functions for a while.

I used to work with the finance departments of all the London NHS trusts. Every single one of them had multiple contractors on 1-2k per DAY, most of them career public sector people with ACCAs and the like doing the rounds of all the trusts.

I sat in an interview once with a senior guy from Barclays looking to move for a better work/life balance. He was a seriously good candidate, but they just weren't interested. They thought he wouldn't 'get' the NHS.

They don't need any more money than they already get. You could double the budget and the next year they'd want more.
 
How many hours a day do you think a pm does?
Is he holding a needle about he's about to press into someones vein though? Or preparing the right concentration of a potentially deadly chemical to give to a patient?

People should be able to work as long as they want to, but we shouldn't make people work to an unsafe age
 
Better a pure manifesto we never implement than a compromise one we do huh? How noble.

Anyone.



Whatever you say. I'll just leave this here.

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Are we really back to arguing that an Eagle, Owen Smith, or Liz Kenndal Labour with a 'centre' manifesto would have swept the election?
 
Are we really back to arguing that an Eagle, Owen Smith, or Liz Kenndal Labour with a 'centre' manifesto would have swept the election?
Possibly someone a bit more charismatic than that lot might have. But I'd also argue that someone more popular than Corbyn could win with his manifesto also. It doesn't really matter too much to many people anymore, the average person goes to the booth and thinks "that May lady seems sensible and nice" or "that Corbyn is a right ruffian and is clueless". All about what the papers are telling them.
 
The tories arguments on tax are interesting. When challenged why they refuse to promise not to raise tax they say they they may need to but they don't want to, yet they're also arguing that Labour raising taxes won't raise money. Which is it?