This argument isn't going to cut it if Labour fall to their worst level since the 30s next month.
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But that's exactly why another MP with Corbyn's manifesto would also lose... because they'd have the same media discrediting them and doing whatever they can to ensure that individual doesn't get into power. It's his policy, not his personality that makes him unelectable. Until the day comes where the media doesn't have the same influence and power over the electorate, it will be the same. Corbyn does come with baggage, but I think we're kidding ourselves if we think a Dan Jarvis or Chuka Umunna would win with the same media backlash.
I'm certainly not saying a safer no frills manifesto wouldn't be less of a risk. It wouldn't win though.
Sky seem kind of positive on the manifesto so far. Fingers crossed no gaffes in it
Shelagh Fogarty spent a good portion of her show yesterday, trying to downplay Corbyn's support for the IRA. Worse still, the good and honest man from Islington repeated the gross error two decades later; Stop the War gave tacit support to Iraqi terrorist organisations, killers of their own compatriots and British citizens alike. You can throw an extra 2, 3, 4 billion at the NHS, but these character questions are going to be huge problems for the voter.
On to other news: i gather that we are now renationalising the water industry too? This one i am actually more open to, only not as part of this massive programme of state buyouts proposed by Labour.
On to other news: i gather that we are now renationalising the water industry too? This one i am actually more open to, only not as part of this massive programme of state buyouts proposed by Labour.
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So Labour wants a 45p rate to kick in at £80,000, and 50p at £123,000.
I think with Corbyn it's definitely his demeanour and public perception that's the real issue. The same manifesto with someone like Chuka Umunna leading the party would make a lot more people think about their vote, probably still a way off winning an election but not the forgone conclusion that it is right now.
If you want to launch an investment manifesto, Bradford is certainly a good example of where its needed.
I still think the scrapping of tuition fees is a huge mistake. Not worthwhile and its certainly not progressive
The public perception of Corbyn has largely been created by the media... they'd do the same to another Labour leader with left-wing policy. A late change of leader a few months ago would only have helped in the sense that the media wouldn't have had 2 years to do their damage like they've had with Corbyn.
There's so much ammunition with Corbyn though, he's like a dream for the right wing press.
Agreed. Helps high earners more than anyone else.
Agree and as I said, he does come with baggage and I'd have backed a more electable Labour leader for that reason alone (although Eagle and Smith were terrible choices). My frustration is what is happening in this country... food bank usage rocketing, the NHS struggling massively... yet the media will largely give Theresa May and the Government a free pass whilst Corbyn gets dirt thrown at him for meetings he had 20 years ago. Yet people lap it up and t's ridiculous.
Ah they've sneaked an extensed maternity leave into the manifesto, 52 weeks. Thats a vote winner
How is he proposing to do that then? By wasting their taxes.
Yup. What I find to be the biggest disconnect is in how is supporters see Jeremy as a 'man of the people' compared to more of the general public's view of him as an out of touch 'Islington luvvie duvvie lefty'. We'll find out more at the election but that isn't something that's going to change, if it doesn't in the next three weeks. He's as much of a career politician as anyone, and people see him that way.
He's always polled as 'honest' and thats not a small thing for a politician tbf
If they were earning less than the existing minimum wage, why won't they be doing so with the new one?
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Regional public ownership?
What do we make on the Tories pledge for employee rights in their manifesto?
Committing to keeping employee rights exactly the same as they are in the EU once we leave is a big one, if they keep to it and the pledge is a straight one.
Committing to keeping employee rights exactly the same as they are in the EU once we leave is a big one, if they keep to it and the pledge is a straight one.
The audience have booed the journalists present, requiring Corbyn to call them to order.
Great. Except they've put the fees up for tribunals, so the average worker can't afford to enforce the law
But is there, or is there not going to be a "bonfire of workers' rights"?
A question from communists on what to do about the shockingly biased media 
Demeanour, but also a perception of capability, rightly or wrongly. With Attlee, Wilson, Brown their opponents obviously disagreed with their objectives, but did acknowledge that they were clever and capable people. Corbyn and his team have a lot of work to do in comparison.
Yep, that's the major problem. It's all well and good complaining about how the press is treating you, but when you've got some previous associations perceived as dodgy, a Shadow Chancellor who's talked about honouring the IRA, and Diane Abbott in...well, any position at all, then you're setting yourself up for failure. Even more so when you send Abbott onto a talk show and she's unable to present the costs to core parts of the manifesto.
Spot on - Brexit being the prime example.
Decent but not spectacular speech i think. Can see the attack lines coming on nationalisation costings. Which ever way you look it at the detail on the costings is impressive, a lesson learnt from Eds manifesto.
Can we just get promote Sarah Champion and demote Abbot please
Can we just get promote Sarah Champion and demote Abbot please
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And that is just the Blairites.
I agree with her, I don't think people get much out of seeing politicians having a go at each other. Personally, I think the live debates are a bit rubbish. Don't forget, Nick Clegg lied his way into a coalition government on the back of those live debates.
Owen Smith then ?
Am I reading right that they haven't put any of the renationalisations into the costings?
Correct.
Sake.
Er, what's the combined market cap of the power utilities?
^ Do you know if she stands a good chance of getting elected? That's be something at 22.