Gary Neville

Gary knows what he's doing but this time he won't be able to talk his way out of it. His Overlap in Qatar was purely to make them look better, and following that they offered him to cover the WC for BeinSports.

The fact of the matter is, integrity comes at a cost that not everyone is willing to pay. Neville is looking after himself like most politicians in the world. He just needs to stop pretending.
 
Wouldn’t be surprised if he pulls out of the Qatar deal now.
 
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An MP or Andy Burnham's successor when Andy decides he's up for a Westminster return.

I don't even think it's as complicated as what you are describing. Unless it's something that directly affects us, most of us will compromise when it's made worth our while.

Gary's probably just been made an offer that's too good to refuse. I am sure that Gary would say human rights are important to him, like most people. However, also like most people in Britain, what the Qataris are doing/have done probably hasn't touched anyone he knows personally. This stuff always hits different when it affects you personally than when it doesn't.

To be fair to Gary, none of us are protesting against buying Qatari gas this winter cos we object to how Qatar's government runs things. We put our bills first. Gary is just doing that on a bigger scale.

PS) Not saying it's right. Not trying to defend it. Just being realistic about how things work.
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Ah I know how things work, Gary is slightly different because he pays lip service to social justice. Beckham is getting less guff because he's being fully on brand, he is what he is, a self and fame obsessed whore. Gary opens himself up to criticism because he's a self styled man of the people.
 
Manncunian said:
Then commentate for ITV or BBC. Or any non Qatari organisation.

But instead he’s chosen beIN, a Qatari media group. That’s where the hypocrisy lies, and the warranted criticism that’s come with it.
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No point any of us guessing if he had that choice or his preferences. He might not contractually be allowed to go to another domestic organisation.

If he does facilitate their sports washing without comment ill judge him but no more than the players also going. Klopp is right in that those to blame are the ones selecting the host, others can't be expected to take the flak for it. Not like we all boycott all the bad regimes in the world.
 
moses said:
Ah I know how things work, Gary is slightly different because he pays lip service to social justice. Beckham is getting less guff because he's being fully on brand, he is what he is, a self and fame obsessed whore. Gary opens himself up to criticism because he's a self styled man of the people.
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That's a fair point. If you hold yourself up as something people will hold you to that.
 
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No point any of us guessing if he had that choice or his preferences. He might not contractually be allowed to go to another domestic organisation.

If he does facilitate their sports washing without comment ill judge him but no more than the players also going. Klopp is right in that those to blame are the ones selecting the host, others can't be expected to take the flak for it. Not like we all boycott all the bad regimes in the world.
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He’s commentated on ITV several times for major competitions and is working for them this competition as well but also BEIN.
 
He must be getting paid a hell of a lot to give up his integrity like that, I’d say he’s getting at least £5m..
 
Mockney said:
I don’t hate Neville, but it’s absolutely fair to call him out of the Qatar stuff… not because he’s a football guy accepting money to go to a football tournament (obviously) but because he’s specifically defended it by saying Qatar are no worse than Saudi or Abu Dhabi, did an Overlap with Beckham essentially promoting the place and failed to ask anything difficult when it was a big deal at the time, and most of all has hidden behind the idea that we need to speak out about Saudi/City more if we’re going to be consistent (which is true) whilst absolutely failing to do so himself the many times he’s had the chance. In fact he’s regularly defended City’s owners against FFP and praised their development, and when the Saudi’s took over Newcastle he played down the idea of sportswashing and said it was a good thing ‘cos they’d be forced to change!




So the erstwhile “we need to be consistent” comes across as hugely disingenuous self interest, whilst cloaking himself in righteousness. Which tends to piss people off
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I actually think he believes that uno.
 
Are the BBC not going to the world cup? Not showing the games? If Hislop and the rest feel so strongly against it why are they still working for an organisation that is supporting the event?
 
carpy said:
Are the BBC not going to the world cup? Not showing the games? If Hislop and the rest feel so strongly against it why are they still working for an organisation that is supporting the event?
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Getting tenuous now. As the BBC is licence funded, can people with a TV not voice their feelings on Qatar either?

This is the same logic that mocks people who use shops for expressing an anti capitalist stance .
 
carpy said:
Are the BBC not going to the world cup? Not showing the games? If Hislop and the rest feel so strongly against it why are they still working for an organisation that is supporting the event?
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BBC is publicly funded. They are given a platform to be fair in regards to criticisim, and that includes the BBC when they are wrapped up in scandal (Savile for example.) Its a show doing what Neville claims to do. Highlighting issues.
 
moses said:
Getting tenuous now. As the BBC is licence funded, can people with a TV not voice their feelings on Qatar either?

This is the same logic that mocks people who use shops for expressing an anti capitalist stance .
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Is it tenuous? The BBC doesn't have to be there, they've chosen to be and no doubt licence payer money is going from the BBC to Qatar. Could licence payers not have encouraged the BBC and ITV to pull out by giving up TV (and TV licence) for a year in their droves?
 
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carpy said:
Is it tenuous? The BBC doesn't have to be there, theyve chosen to be and no doubt licence payer money is going from the BBC to Qatar. Could licence payers not have encouraged the BBC and ITV to pull out by giving up TV (and TV licence) for a year in their droves?
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I think this in a roundabout way links to my general opinion. A boycott doesn't work unless it's done in mass. Players will go because their team is going, teams will go because other teams are going, media will go because other broadcasters are going, and fans/public will want to watch. A few fans giving up their TV license wouldn't be effective (would probably rile up more folks who would be angry at being unable to watch). One player, one team or one media organisation not going doesn't really work. Nor would 10, 20 or 40% even. The only effective boycott would have been to pressure FIFA to not hold it there in the first place. And for that to have been successful it wouldn't be a case of a few countries, a handful of players and pundits, and a media organisation or two, it would have needed united opposition from multiple FAs, continental associations and perhaps governments as well.

In terms of individuals going I kind of get Neville's viewpoint. If he didn't go, somebody else would. If he does go and openly and honestly criticise the country then fair play to him, but I would be surprised. Personally I think he shouldn't go and I wouldn't in his situation but ultimately it won't make a difference except to his own reputation. I think his only chance to save face is to reveal his fee and donate it to charity.
 
GlasgowCeltic said:
expect he'll show himself in a better light in his inevitable Question Time appearance
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The more he goes into this world the more he's going to meet people with a brain or folk who aren't football fans.

It'll get much trickier for him I think.
 
carpy said:
Is it tenuous? The BBC doesn't have to be there, they've chosen to be and no doubt licence payer money is going from the BBC to Qatar. Could licence payers not have encouraged the BBC and ITV to pull out by giving up TV (and TV licence) for a year in their droves?
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The BBC in my opinion should boycott it. But there's a big leap to all of their employees quitting if they want to criticise Qatar.
 
Trequarista10 said:
I think this in a roundabout way links to my general opinion. A boycott doesn't work unless it's done in mass. Players will go because their team is going, teams will go because other teams are going, media will go because other broadcasters are going, and fans/public will want to watch. A few fans giving up their TV license wouldn't be effective (would probably rile up more folks who would be angry at being unable to watch). One player, one team or one media organisation not going doesn't really work. Nor would 10, 20 or 40% even. The only effective boycott would have been to pressure FIFA to not hold it there in the first place. And for that to have been successful it wouldn't be a case of a few countries, a handful of players and pundits, and a media organisation or two, it would have needed united opposition from multiple FAs, continental associations and perhaps governments as well.

In terms of individuals going I kind of get Neville's viewpoint. If he didn't go, somebody else would. If he does go and openly and honestly criticise the country then fair play to him, but I would be surprised. Personally I think he shouldn't go and I wouldn't in his situation but ultimately it won't make a difference except to his own reputation. I think his only chance to save face is to reveal his fee and donate it to charity.
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If by work you mean fix, then yes of course. But there is a sliding scale of effect.

Progress is a constant slow struggle.
 
carpy said:
Are the BBC not going to the world cup? Not showing the games? If Hislop and the rest feel so strongly against it why are they still working for an organisation that is supporting the event?
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Because Hislop doesn’t want to quit a well paid easy job and the BBC don’t want to lose viewers to another network.

Last night panel shite was all about going through the motions and making people get that nice quick dopamine hit.
 
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Mockney said:
I’m pretty sure the BBC are actually obliged to show the World Cup under the ‘Crown Jewels Code’ so it’s not really a case of “Hmm, we live in a society” bollocks tbf.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofcom_Code_on_Sports_and_Other_Listed_and_Designated_Events
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I think it can be shown by any broadcaster so long as it's free to air. The BBC won the rights to this one in 2014 so they already knew who the host was. The statement they released at the time was all about how delighted they were and not a whiff of trepidation about where it was being held.
 
carpy said:
I think it can be shown by any broadcaster so long as it's free to air. The BBC won the rights to this one in 2014 so they already knew who the host was. The statement they released at the time was all about how delighted they were and not a whiff of trepidation about where it was being held.
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"So we're thrilled to be able to look forward to bringing the next two World Cups free to air to viewers in 2018 and 2022."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/27750996.amp
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Gary is still a cnut though.
 
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carpy said:
I think it can be shown by any broadcaster so long as it's free to air. The BBC won the rights to this one in 2014 so they already knew who the host was. The statement they released at the time was all about how delighted they were and not a whiff of trepidation about where it was being held.
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I don’t know how much of that is a formality and how much is a rigorous bidding process. I’d be interesting to see what happened if they DID refuse to show it though. Since ALL games have to be shown, could ITV manage that alone? Presumably they’d be forced to anyway? As the govt wouldn’t be able to force anyone else? Could they make C4 or C5?

Also what are we blaming Hislop for, exacly - not resigning from a light entertainment show in protest at the sports coverage? He can be a prick, but it’s hard to accuse a guy who literally does one TV gig outside of editing Private Eye for 35 years of being a sell out. Everyone’s a sell out. You’ve got to have degrees of this shit or we get nowhere with anything.


(*Plus HIGNFY is far more culpable for normalising Farage and Johnson than for anything their parent channel might do otherwise)
 
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Qatar bit starts from 17:15 if anyone interested. He had no answers. Got exposed and looked uncomfortable and embarrassed.
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Well done to that guy for challenging him. He got exposed badly there. The notion of him mentioning the dead migrant workers during commentary is completely laughable.
 
Under normal circumstances he can make the argument he’s a commentator and wants to commentate at the pinnacle of the sport, but it’s different for Gary as he is a regular commentator on politics so it puts him in a sticky situation being silent on the political aspects of the Qatar wc.
 
Going out of his way to praise Nunez today, I feel.
 
What was he thinking going on How I got News for you? He was obviously going to get destroyed
 
It’s funny, he always goes on about how great the prem is and how good the top sides are and how quick they move the ball bla bla bla. I’ve watched Spurs and Chelsea today and they’re absolutely rubbish and have been for months. United aren’t much better either. Just yet another case where he pushes a narrative regardless of the evidence unfolding in front of him. This season looks another of one/two top teams being really good and the rest managing to somehow outshite each other.
 
I agree with what Neville was saying on his podcast about United last night. Some positive signs of tenacity and fight, but difficult to see how "they are back" as of yet: "United are better, but not back."

Talked about how our forward line is still not at the standard of our rivals, and how we've spent a lot of money again, but still it's hard to see the expected level of return for the size of the investment.

 
Finally watched the HIGNFY - thought he did an ok hosting job but very poor effort at defending himself from footballing ignoramus Hislop

I don't actually see why Neville is getting accusations of hypocrisy when he's been consistent on his views on Qatar for a long time

By actually going to Qatar and highlighting the issues he's done more for the relevant causes than those who sit at home virtue signalling
 
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Finally watched the HIGNFY - thought he did an ok hosting job but very poor effort at defending himself from footballing ignoramus Hislop

I don't actually see why Neville is getting accusations of hypocrisy when he's been consistent on his views on Qatar for a long time

By actually going to Qatar and highlighting the issues he's done more for the relevant causes than those who sit at home virtue signalling
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He’s not going there to highlight issues you numpty. He’s taking money from a TV corporation run by the Qatari state to commentate on the football. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say that thinking that he does it to highlight issues is very naive. The more likely explanation is that he is in fact a massive hypocrite.
 
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He’s not going there to highlight issues you numpty. He’s taking money from a TV corporation run by the Qatari state to commentate on the football. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say that thinking that he does it to highlight issues is very naive. The more likely explanation is that he is in fact a massive hypocrite.
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He's already been there more than once to highlight the various issues in Qatar

Do some research next time before talking shite

 
Sassy Colin said:
If he wants to commentate at the WC whilst still be free to air his views on Qatar, then he should be working for the BBC or ITV. He will not be allowed to say whatever he likes working for a Qatar based broadcaster.

That stands to reason.
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He's doing both - he will be working for both ITV and BeIn

It's unlikely he's going to be talking about anything apart from football on either anyway

What he then says on Twitter, external interviews etc remains to be seen
 
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He's already been there more than once to highlight the various issues in Qatar

Do some research next time before talking shite

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This video was honestly just a platform he gave specifically chosen Qatari representatives the chance to defend themselves against everything they're accused of. And you could argue that is a chance they deserve and he's given them that and fair play, but it is in no way a highlighting of their issues. There is a very calculated limited depth of facts spoken about across this entire video.

He wants to sit on the fence and make his money. And unfortunately he can't say that out loud. So he's going to have to eat a bit of shit till about January, and then the world will forget all about it.
 
People expecting him to work for either TV party and grill Qatar for their issues are out of their fecking minds.

On a more serious note, he's a hypocrite, like 99% of today's people. I really don't know why fans debate him so much.
 
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