If you think Neville loves his own voice, just imagine how much Ronaldo loves himself.
Gary Neville
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Yep pretty much this. Neville said what he said knowing full well Ronaldo would hear it. He just doesn’t give a shit as he cares more about Utd than Ronaldo’s feelings. I’m glad he’s the first one of his ex-mates to have the balls to say it and be honest.
Quality Ronnie. Neville picks and chooses based on his own personal like/dislike.
Neville cares for Neville. His own opinions are what are important to him. His own friendships, Ole for example above United, I’m sure Ronaldo and Neville were never friends.
Exactly this. Neville has a side/narrative than sticks to it and will fit everything he says around it. With this Ronaldo issue he chose to stick the boot in. For all the flack Keane is taking, he didn’t actually say Ronaldo shouldn’t be punished he just played it down. Neville could and should have done similar but chose to make a mountain out of a molehill because that’s how he wanted to play it and he does like big bold statements and headlines.
Don't think that's as black and white as that. He clearly loves the club and always has - and is one of the few outspoken ones about the Glazers too.
If he only cared for himself, he would shut up on that matter and be more biased towards the Glazers.
It is like the whole commentator thing is his new way of finding himself after football. Every footballer go through a depression of not playing anymore after retiring, and it seems Neville has simply decided that his new all-entangling hobby is being a reporter and speaking up about everything. It's both bad and good imo - but the motives are both about himself and United now imo. It's not like he does all this commentator-stuff only out of love for United.
We have to remember footballers have no real education and going into commentating is the most fitting thing for most of the old guard, as it's easy and a safe cushion and somewhere they can enter where they "know something about it because they've played it" - lots of crap commentators come out of this notion really. It gets even more ridiculous, as they've simply never been (good) managers, but yet act as commentators that know it all.
It was quite the opposite.
Keane went off on a tangent and brought up points based on his own bias. Keane wanted to rant about the same drivel that Ronaldo should start every game and Utd have disrespected him.
Neville was absolutely right in what he said. It was better for Ronaldo to leave as soon as possible and that Utd are a better team when he doesn’t play.
Keane just didn’t like being wrong and even more, admitting he’s wrong.
Yeah sure Keane rambled a bit but he didn’t ever say Ronaldo shouldn’t be punished, that’s the only point I was making about Keane. Neville was not right and it was a daft thing to say that Ronaldo should leave the club due to this incident. He should know better having been around for Cantona kicking people in the face and Scholes refusing to play, that burnt bridges can be built again. But he chose to approach this matter in the same ridiculously over the top manner a lot on here chose to. Considering our very limited options up front letting Ronaldo go and banishing him right now would be very stupid. Thankfully Erik Ten Hag isn’t a dramatic moron and has had the adult reasonable reaction to all of this. Punished Ronaldo for one game and integrated him back into the team.
What is bizarre? He cares for himself and his opinions more than anything. He has his favorites and would hate on others. Just for example he piled on Pogba to the point he got tonnes of racist abuse for taking and missing a penalty and he talks about mental health for Maguire. He is a hypocrite of the highest order. I lost all the respect for him when he became a apologist for the Qataris in that documentary for the World Cup.
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No one is denying that. Ronaldo is a selfish twat of the highest order. But Neville is no saint either. His biases to certain players has always been evident. His own opinions matter to him most than anything. Just like his apologetic tone for the the Qataris for the World Cup. Only 3 people died mind you. He creates narratives whether he is right or wrong and thinks he is the bee’s knees.
Disagree.
I think your reaction to Neville’s comments is over the top. Neville wasn't saying Ronaldo should leave over this incident alone.
Neville suggested Ronaldo should leave because he’s not happy or willing to accept he’s going to be a bit part player and a substitute. Hence why the drama. It’s not like he used it as an opportunity to criticise him irrationally. He actually praised him but said he was finding it difficult to accept Utd are a better team without him than with him and that for his and Utds sake it was best for him to move on. He’s right.
Give it a few more games of Ronaldo being benched and we will have the same drama.
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I’m not denying he doesn’t favour certain players over others. But which pundit doesn’t? Even us fans do the same. It’s impossible to be completely partial with every player and put that across at the same time in the media.
However, his comments on the Ronaldo situation were correct and valid in my eyes.
For the 1st time I'd be delighted if we rid ourselves of the Ronaldo circus.
Ronaldo is a such a circus clown.
jinx.
Let's hope we manage to offload him after the WC.
He never said he should leave the club because of this incident. He said he should leave because he won't accept not starting every game and if he wants to, he'll have to go elsewhere.
He spoken ll no lies. As soon as Martial is back fit (if) he'll be dropped again.
Kin ell, so pundits aren’t even allowed to say anything negative about him? What a petty feck.
Doing himself absolutely no favours whatsoever here.
There’s a much better way to shut pundits up, score fecking goals.
Doing himself absolutely no favours whatsoever here.
There’s a much better way to shut pundits up, score fecking goals.
What did Nev say about Ronaldo?
The clash with Keane after the Chelsea game:
The podcast after the Chelsea game:
Neville is making sense as far as I'm concerned: Ronaldo is struggling with not being the main man at United so he has to leave to go somewhere he'll play, United are a less good team with him than without him these days, the manager is managing him the best way he can given the circumstances etc.
Nothing disrespectful, 100% factual. Ronaldo's ego, which is part of what made him a footballing phenomenon, cannot stand to be overshadowed but at 37 in the Premier League that is always likely to happen. It is not in anyone's best interests for things to continue like this so something has to give in the near future. The talk of 'disrespect' and 'he's a goalscorer so he has to play' is insane and I've been shocked that anyone, least of all Keane and Rio, have come out with that rubbish when the truth is staring us in the face.
5:45 the real Neville shows himself "this is great television" (x3). Absolute Sky sell-out since he joined them. I don't blame him, it's a good gig but that's where Gary's priorities lie on screen.
That’s a daft comment, he was absolutely correct in what he was saying with regards to Ronaldo, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with somebody who works in tv acknowledging that a segment like that was tv gold.
The conversation wasn't exactly over was it?
You don't think they are encouraged to create "heated debates"?
In that case it’s Keane who’s the patsy given he’s the one talking nonsense to create a talking point, AND the one getting heated.
The only sensible reason I can find for Keano's take on the situation is that he's been paid obscene amounts of money to represent it
There's no doubt they're all hamming it up for the cameras and are made up with any and all reaction from the public (Fox/Sky/News International 101) but for me Keane is still making a plank out of himself arguing from a ridiculous but also genuinely-held position.
Neville is literally the only one out of the three of him, Keane and Ronaldo who has come out of this looking like a reasonable adult. Keane and Ronaldo both seem to be massively internally conflicted which they are hilariously publicly externalising in their behaviour either through getting overly defensive and reactive (Keane) or pulling bizarre juvenile gestures to try and shame others who they feel slighted them (Ronaldo).
It's hard to believe it is a genuinely-held position, as the only requirement I can see for finding a different position is having two eyes
Dont know why we have to have our legends going at each other over a conversation point. I've never seen the same thing between the many ex-liverpool pundits.
In fact, I think the reason Sky love Neville (and keane to a lesser degree) is he has no loyalty whatsoever and will happily dig out the club or ex-teammates. Can't think of another pundit from any other team who slates players of their former club and certainly not ex-teammates - they don't even hide their bias. Maybe I can be corrected though.
Neville is 100% right. If any player can't accept a bench role, especially when the team performs better without said player, the best thing for him and the club is that he leaves. That's common sense.
The narrative you're pushing that Gary is saying Ronaldo should leave as a consequence of this specific incident is false.
They were having a go at each other because Keane was being irrational and spouting nonsense. Was Neville supposed to sit there and nod along in agreement just so as not to appear to be anti United? Neville definitely leans too far sometimes to try to appear completely objective, but this really isn't an instance of that so it's completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
What Neville said wasn't even that bad. But, considering that him and the other two are lil bitches, I'd understand Ronnie's reaction.
Other than that, I agree Ronnie's too old for the EPL and should move on.
100% agree. Neville was spot on with every point he made - what he says just makes sense.
Keane position is very strange. The weirdest argument was about Ronaldo being disrespected by Ten Hag, just because he "feels" disrespected.
Roy Keane looks like a guy who invested too much into it and will now just use any ridiculous argument to defend his position. He's not listening to others anymore, just spitting his truths. He chose Ronaldo side and now is trying to justify it in a way that sounds comically coming from his particular mouth. This is sad to see.
I don't agree that it was nonsense, think Keane was right to call out Neville after highlighting that Scholes refused to play in the past and that united players had committed other indiscretions that were far worse. I also don't buy the argument that united are a better team without Ronaldo based on the options available currently. A fit and firing Martial changes that though.
Fair
I just don't believe a meeting took place at Sky Sports where they said 'listen, we need somebody to argue that Ronaldo has been badly treated and isn't just a 37 year old guy on the way down. Roy even though you've made it clear in private that you take an opposing view can you handle that for us please as we need clicks?'. I'm willing to bet their clickbait comes slightly more organically than that, but I've no doubt that everyone involved in that post-Chelsea segment knew full well that what they were about to say would result in an eight minute video entitled 'Keane and Neville CLASH over Ronaldo *angery emoji*'.Keane did agree that others did similar things and were rightly punished, but the problem is Keane tried to justify Ronaldo behavior - that he feels disrespected by Ten Hag not playing him whenever possible. He also thinks Ronaldo "gives enough back", suggesting he is entitled to behave like a prima donna. What is simply ridiculous if you look at his numbers - even more shocking if you watch him play.
Gary Neville is 100% right on this one and I am sure he doesn`t give a flying feck if Ronaldo ever speaks to him again.
RIP Friendship
Benny Harvey gone but not forgotten.
Benny Harvey gone but not forgotten.
There's a massive difference between a 27 year old Paul Scholes and a 37 year old Ronaldo. Does that even need pointing out? You get away with a bit more when you're a huge part of an elite team that wins things. Ronaldo doesn't have that goodwill in the bank, so when he behaves like an absolute cock (not the first time) while contributing very little, it's a lot less forgiveable. Absolutely no chance that he's our best option at the moment either, mate. Have you been watching our games this season? Ronaldo is utterly finished, Rashford is a far better option as has been shown.