I mean.. that's not what this. I even said you do rarely ever hear of footballers getting it bad and I even agreed with neville to play the games on... but carry on good sir
Gary Neville - Pundit
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Also I'd be interested to see the source for that WHO claim but no answer from @SER19 yet.
There are literally countless studies on this so take your passive aggressive covid enthusiasm to Google. Studies differ on what constitute mild, medium and severe, but almost all studies hover around 80% on asymptomatic or mild.
Its unsettling that this bothers people. Its a good thing.
Scaremongering isn’t any good, but deliberately downplaying the virus also isn’t helpful. To say it bothers people is just daft. You made a claim and was asked to back it up. The reason I asked is because it differs largely from my own experiences.
I wasn't challenging your experience and im not downplaying anything. Apologies if it feels misdirected at you but endlessly people are demanding to 'follow the science' apart from when they don't like the science. As I said a huge number of studies by people far more expert than me say about 80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic. I don't have a study to specify Premier league footballers but allowing for their health it certainly won't cause that number to go down and will quite likely to cause it to go up. There is no reason whatsoever to doubt that if they weren't being tested daily (while well enough to head in to professional sports training) they wouldn't know they had covid any more than having sniffles, a cough or other mild seasonal symptoms. Saying this about healthy young men doesn't pose any risk to those actually vulnerable
He's was being all moral high ground on it. He won't predict which team will go down and he won't predict which manager will be sacked next. He will, however, throw players he doesn't like under the bus every week on live tv and that's not hypocritical at all.
Mild by the WHO standards can still mean being in bed unable to move for a week. Henderson would be classed as mild and he missed training for a month. Pogba would be classed as mild and he said he felt the impact for months. “Mild” doesn’t just mean “not knowing you’re ill” or “the sniffles”.
This is inaccurate. Not endlessly engaging on this in a football forum but being bed bound by any illness is never classified as mild. 'unable to move' absolutely isn't. As I said earlier different classifications are used but mild symptoms generally mean cough, runny nose, sore throat and mild fatigue among others. You're being hyperbolic and inaccurate
I don't think he's ever ever called for a manager to be sacked though and I'd imagine that's due to his own experiences more than anything.
I do see the point about throwing players under the bus to a point.
Exactly
I’ll resist the perplexing smugness of your post and try not to reply in the same tone. Here’s the definition of what “mild” and “moderate” means from the National Institutes of Health - you’ll note it’s linked to the lower respiratory system and O2 levels - so nothing to do with extreme fatigue - something myself and numerous others including two of our players with mild illness have experienced without any lower respiratory symptoms.
Mild Illness: Individuals who have any of the various signs and symptoms of COVID-19 (e.g., fever, cough, sore throat, malaise, headache, muscle pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of taste and smell) but who do not have shortness of breath, dyspnea, or abnormal chest imaging.
Moderate Illness: Individuals who show evidence of lower respiratory disease during clinical assessment or imaging and who have an oxygen saturation (SpO2) ≥94% on room air at sea level
So somebody who rides out the disease at home with flu like symptoms absolutely would be classed as mild. I was bed bound by COVID for 2 days with extreme fatigue - it was mild disease. I know friends who have been bed bound for a week - also mild disease. The absolute irony of someone accusing others of being inaccurate and hyperbolic when they say shit like “the WHO says 80% of cases are mild which just means sniffles or people not even knowing they are ill” is just tragic - I don’t know what agenda you’re trying to push but push it elsewhere.
As I said im not continuing this here, but being a qualified professional dealing with it for 2 years i don't need your copy and paste thanks. You're coming across as a covid enthusiast
Yeah this exactly what happened to me and many of my friends, several of which are extremely fit and/or athletic. Not the end of the world, but certainly noticeable.
There’s a Covid thread elsewhere here to discuss whether getting Covid is a serious health risk or just causes most people a few days of the sniffles.
Complete and utter bollocks
The presenter even pushed him by saying its his job as a pundit to give these opinions.
Neville does come across as a bit of a hypocritical, sanctimonious bell end. He was a breath of fresh air when he first started as a pundit but he clearly struggles to be impartial and IMO shouldn't be allowed to be involved in our games because he struggles to fairly comment on things to do with United.
Madness isn’t it the stuff you read on here. I hate Neville as a pundit he is levels below Carragher but as a player he was great and in his peak was the best RB in the world for a while
Um, no. You made a claim so the burden of proof is on you, not me. To be clearer: I don't need to disprove the claim you made. You need to prove it. So, again, where's the source for the WHO data?
This isn't law and order, calm yourself. If you can't find anything with Google at your fingertips, then sorry. You've already shown you don't fully get classification and why mild, moderate, severe, isn't an exact science given each means different things to different patients with different conditions. Not clogging up football Forum with this any more, try twitter you'll find fellow enthusiasts there
There’s been a few players hit hard with it? Then there’s the fact that the nature of being a footballer means a lot are likely immunosuppressed as well.
Out of curiosity when was that ? The likes of Cafu , Zambrotta , Thuram were all better than him in 90’s and early 00’s not to mention the likes of Zanetti, Willy Sagnol were there or thereabouts too. I’m sure I’m missing a few other names also. And from mid 00’s there was Dani alves who completely dominated for more than a decade.
I think maybe the best right back in the prem for a while is a more accurate description.
I saw Cafu play for Roma once and it was one of the best footballing performances I've ever seen live. He was incredible.
Ha, funny. Gets called out on unsubstantiated claim...tells person that calls him out to find evidence themselves. So, again, the WHO figures you quoted were made up then? Nice.
To @SER19's point, did a quick Google search, first result kinda backs up his claim:
https://patient.info/news-and-features/coronavirus-what-are-asymptomatic-and-mild-covid-19
Now can we go back to football?
He was one of the better ones in the late 90s Prem. It was a shallow pool that included the likes of Dan Petrescu, Lee Dixon and Stephen Carr. Compared to the names you mentioned he was a non entity.
You can find anything if you Google search using the terms. He claimed the WHO data said this. I don't see this anywhere from the WHO.To @SER19's point, did a quick Google search, first result kinda backs up his claim:
https://patient.info/news-and-features/coronavirus-what-are-asymptomatic-and-mild-covid-19
Now can we go back to football?
What if i told you the WHO situation report 46 said this. And then that there are endless peer reviewed studies that all end up in this same region. I assume you'll move the goalposts again. Which is why I didn't want to engage with you in first place. People who react so defensively to any science based assertion that for the overwhelming majority, covid is a mild or asymptomatic illness are perplexing. Im done now, for the last time
Fair enough, just looked it up and it's in there. Apologies for doubting but so many assertions are made about the virus online without being backed up that I always feel the need to ask for sources.
I guess g nev was correct then
The change he’s driving in football will live on for generations. Tremendous ambassador for football across the land.
Was also fantastic on Nick Robinson’s political thinking too.
Don't rate him as a pundit whatsoever.
Just saw a recent video where him and Carragher were picking the world 11 and his "logic" in some of the selections was painful to listen to. Even the host and Carragher were laughing at some of his takes.
Carragher the better pundit.
Just saw a recent video where him and Carragher were picking the world 11 and his "logic" in some of the selections was painful to listen to. Even the host and Carragher were laughing at some of his takes.
Carragher the better pundit.
Agree with this completely but we are doing Neville a huge disservice by undermining his punditry. He has revolutionised what it means to be a brilliant pundit and is also without a peer when it comes to the business side of football. Carragher is more nuanced on the tactical side of the game and with his encyclopaedic knowledge of players and clubs around Europe.
This, I think, is why they’re a superb duo. Nobody else comes close in terms of football and football business knowledge than these two in terms of pundits in the UK.
He refuses to admit he is wrong even when multiple angles show Kane had pushed Thiago Silva. He does this consistently and I find it infuriating. Very bad trait to not be able to admit when you are wrong.
Fit right in on the caf.
The problem with Gary is he doesn’t see the other point of view. If it’s 50/50 and it goes against his view then it’s this massive miscarriage of justice that he just can’t understand. What’s wrong with saying I think it isn’t a foul but fair enough if it is?
And the House of Commons
He did that also with Shaw in a game he was commenting. Multiple slow reply showed Shaw got the ball, but he refused to change his opinion regardless. If he's willing to do that with hard fact evidence, I pity anyone just arguing using common sense with him.