Fantastic from Neville on Sky Sports, he’s spoken really well and powerfully. Big fan of Carragher usually but Neville is far superior on this subject and has conveyed his opinion and captured the mood of the masses very well.
Gary Neville - Pundit
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Spot on.
Take it with a pinch of salt.
They are both paid by Murdock who tried to feck football up in the early 90's.
They are both paid by Murdock who tried to feck football up in the early 90's.
Yeah he's always been impassioned, I'd personally like to have seen him speak out against the Glazers and call it as all utd fans have seen it for years. I agree with him on the ESL but my post wasn't about that.
Why does he think Klopp destroyed his owners on live TV?
I thought klopps pre match interview was pretty diplomatic.
I thought klopps pre match interview was pretty diplomatic.
Exactly. Also, with the money in the game, is it really so bad that the players themselves get the big share of it?
Also, different people have different lines they don't want to be crossed. I suspect for most people, this ESL thing has been a step too far.
Of course it would've been good if they'd spoken up earlier, or put their weight behind the protests against the Glazers all those years ago, but better late than never.
Anyone else remember the fact that Ole was one of the few who spoke up against the Glazers back in 2005? I wonder what he privately is thinking now.
So did I. Looking for a post reaction I assume.
I think he exaggerated to try and get the Liverpool fans to react strongly.
I thought the Klopp interview was a massive disappointment really
My God, there's some confused thinking on here tonight.
So, your argument here is that Neville is wrong because this is a continuation of what went before...which was us selling our soul to the Devil...which was also wrong...and we are culpable because we didn't fight...except we did fight...so everything about this is wrong but Neville is wrong to criticize this because...er... this is actually a good thing?
Is that really your argument?
I agreed with something's he said, but then he got a little off point.
The way he spoke about Arsenal and Tottenham was wrong and shows his ignorance. Both clubs abided by FFP rules and haven't been any worse than United in recent years especially when one considers overall transfer outlays.
It's true though, that rivalries must be put aside and everyone involved in the game should unite to prevent this from happening.
The way he spoke about Arsenal and Tottenham was wrong and shows his ignorance. Both clubs abided by FFP rules and haven't been any worse than United in recent years especially when one considers overall transfer outlays.
It's true though, that rivalries must be put aside and everyone involved in the game should unite to prevent this from happening.
I know it is comfortable to be a cynic and sneer at people who actually care about this stuff, but the "oh, it's just a continuation of what we have seen before so we should just throw up our hands and surrender" position doesn't add much value.
Did we fight and lose in the past? Sure. Does that mean we shouldn't fight now? No.
The key to winning most wars is first and foremost to not give up.
I've seen a couple of people with this reaction and I feel like people are looking for far more than it was reasonable to expect.
He publicly stated that he was still opposed to the Super League, that he had not been consulted in any way and the first he heard of it was when it broke yesterday.
Those three things statements together are huge (while not necessarily surprising).
Give Doc Brown a call and see if he can take you back 16 years, now you've suddenly found your spine, Nev.
I completely expected klopps interview to be like that. No way would he slate his employers and sever a potential relationship with any of the super league chairman, with his future in mind.
What I didn't expect was for Gary Neville to call it 'destroying his owners'.
good to see gary so opposed to billionaire owners he deliberately tanked at valencia to stick it to the lims. he has some decent points, but as glenn cullen would say, i feel I'm in a therapy group being run by my own rapist.
Now we're into semantics, I'd call it "hanging them out to dry" but can see why Neville has used the terminology he has. The three main things Klopp confirmed are massive - he's essentially confirmed that he & his players are completely irrelevant to the business decisions of the owners.
i’m not sure that’s shedding new light on anything.
What more do people expect from Klopp? Its fecking disgusting that hes being expected to comment on this shite at all. He condemns it publicly he is condemning his employers...on fecking game day. I swear some of you have no idea how contracts work
In real terms, of course it isn't - everyone has known that for years. However managers will tell you otherwise whenever possible, how supportive the owners are and how decisions are taken with due consideration etc.
It is incredibly rare for a manager to come out publicly stating he does not agree with a decision the owners have taken, that he was not consulted in any way AND that he basically found out via the media. That's a massive hat trick.
there’s still a fundamental lack of integrity that means any soapbox that the likes of kloop get on is fundamentally shaky due to a complete lack of foundations.
i’m no better, neither are most people. i work for a company owned by billionaires, we had a record year last year despite the pandemic. record turnover, record share prices, record profits. they used the pandemic to lay off underperforming staff, furlough whomever they could and cut costs wherever they could. employees at the company today have shown way more fight and willing to oppose “the regime” with this esl than they did when their colleagues and friends were getting butt fecked by billionaire owners. they had a chance for their voices to be heard and stayed quiet, had a chance to mobilise and make a difference with their actions, but didn’t. i didn’t. the billionaire owners are doing this because they can and in the end we will let them.
Imagine a The Thick of It style episode set in the football world as this shite is unfolding, Malcolm Tucker playing Gary Neville.
woodward is definitely heading up dosac.
Irrelevant.
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Player wages are everything. This super league, all the other financial aspects of football fans dislike, all driven by this huge burden clubs have to meet. It's crazy.
Even the biggest clubs are struggling to keep up with this outlay, approximately 60% of turnover for ourselves.
Take a look at the debt and small profits the big clubs are experiencing. Now factor in losses due to covid. It can't continue.
I'm not defending owners or this latest idea but while pundits, who seem to have the biggest influence on public opinion, stay silent on the real greed it'll just get worse and worse.
Fans need wake up to the real problem because compromised guys like Gary Neville will never go there.
Agree , he didn’t really say anything
Loved what he said about united and the glazers, the stadium.
Our stadium isn’t even close to what it should be. Everything about it is behind.
Our stadium isn’t even close to what it should be. Everything about it is behind.
Klopps comments are no different to Sir Alex’s, which is basically “I’ve opposed the idea in the past. I like the existing system. I know nothing about this move as I was not involved in it”
The real problem is player wages? Not the parasitic owners? Give your head a massive wobble... seriously.
Like feck if any of us here would condemning your employer that pay you 100k/wk.
That’s not my point at all. My point is that the organisation Neville represents and who keep shoving him in-front of cameras to rant about “greed” and his “disgust” are the same organisation who helped create this mess in the first place.
I find their sanctimonious, desperate blathering to be an absolute insult to our intelligence. Irregardless of what I think of the proposed ESL.
Let’s have it right. This is rich people fighting with rich people about who gets to rip us off. That is exactly why I gave up my ST and haven’t bought a single piece of merchandise in must be ten years plus now. Neither do I pay for Sky or BT. Not that any of it matters because I am replaceable and irrelevant to them.
I noticed that he used ‘parked weasels’ tonight in his opening monologue. After his use of ‘bottle merchants’ yesterday, I hope thats another inadvertent term used
He’s just described City’s owners/what they’ve done as “awe-inspiring.”
Their investment in the local area has been pretty impressive to be fair.