Gary Neville - Pundit

He is the most detestable pundit.

Its not that Scholes or Keane are not critical of our team but their criticism always is more fair and justified. Neville just says that he thinks makes him the most popular or sensational at any point of time. Have 0 respect for him.
 
gaffs said:
Agree with all of this, but if they cant do it, which we have seen for the past 20 or so games that they cant, then maybe, until they can be coached to do so, then it is time to go with something they can do.
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What I find funny is few want to admit they couldn't do jack shit in the system they all grew up playing. Which eventually led to ETH getting the sack. Which is why INEOS chose to uproot everything mid season and start from scratch. But instead of embracing the fact everything is starting from scratch. We have people preffering to pretend players are merely under performing rather than conducting an over haul and pre season right in the midst of a competive season. Without the advantages of large swarthes of training ground timd tp iron out kinks and knowledge short falls. Nor a viable transfer window to turn to.

They prefer to pretend the players "are just inept" or "the coach is clueless/none adaptable" like the likes of Neville and their shallow tactical understanding.
 
gaffs said:
Agree with all of this, but if they cant do it, which we have seen for the past 20 or so games that they cant, then maybe, until they can be coached to do so, then it is time to go with something they can do.
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It's not that "they can't do it". They did it in the league at Anfield and in the fa cup vs Arsenal. They simply can't do it consistently yet and understandably so.

What I find funny though is few want to admit they (the players) couldn't do jack shit consistently in the system they all grew up playing (back 4), which eventually led to ETH getting the sack. Which is why INEOS chose to uproot everything mid season and start from scratch. But instead of embracing the fact everything is starting from scratch. We have people preffering to pretend players are merely "under performing due to tactics" rather than participating in a comprehensive over haul and pre season right in the midst of a competive season. Without the advantages of large swarthes of training ground time to iron out kinks and knowledge short falls. Nor a viable transfer window to turn to.

They prefer to pretend the players "are just inept" or "the coach is clueless/none adaptable" like the likes of Neville and their shallow tactical understanding.
 
Why is he getting this much space in media? Who the feck is Gary Neville to have such influence? He is pundit, he is commentator, he has exclusive interviews, he is even part of task group regarding Old Trafford (wtf??).
Average fan knows more about football than him. He doesn't even know players outside top English sides, his tactical knowledge is based on "what Sir Alex would do" and all he does is moan about "culture" and "tradition". Awful, xenophobic and annoying "pundit".
But still everything what he says is quoted in English and foreign media. First thing every Monday here in Croatian media (regarding PL) is what Gary Neville said about something. Same goes for Sky, Daily Mail, MEN etc...Gary fecking Neville is the voice of English football these days.

Our former players who are now in punditry are insufferable.
 
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
What I find funny is few want to admit they couldn't do jack shit in the system they all grew up playing. Which eventually led to ETH getting the sack. Which is why INEOS chose to uproot everything mid season and start from scratch. But instead of embracing the fact everything is starting from scratch. We have people preffering to pretend players are merely under performing rather than conducting an over haul and pre season right in the midst of a competive season. Without the advantages of large swarthes of training ground timd tp iron out kinks and knowledge short falls. Nor a viable transfer window to turn to.

They prefer to pretend the players "are just inept" or "the coach is clueless/none adaptable" like the likes of Neville and their shallow tactical understanding.
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I'm not sure anyone grew up playing ETH's chaos ball, ETH's system was a complete unstructured mess. I think he wanted mega fluidity and unpredictability but what we got was absolute chaos.

Fun to watch at times the mega fluidity and Unpredictability could make us dangerous against 'lesser teams' but equally with no defensive structure to fall back we were very vulnerable even against lesser teams. Against any half decent team that could deal with the fluidity and unpredictability of the system, well the proof is there for all to see.

Amorins problem is different we are playing a very structured, rigid system almost the polar opposite of chaos ball. But so far opposite it's almost nothing ball we sit in our shape, we take minimal risks on the ball and we are hoping other teams make mistakes/lose there discipline. There's no high line/high press philosophy there's also no fast transition counter attacking going on. So to score our attackers have to produce something In the attacking third against set defensive's with defenders as the only attacking wide options.

The front three and wing backs have to be absolutely world class to have any hope of this system being any great success in this league. Not gonna happen.

Most team in the PL are far to difficult to break down, they won't simple mistakes our loose discipline. They will just sit and watch you pass sideways and backwards Infront of them all day, wait for a bad pass or touch and than pounce.

Fast transitions when teams have come forward are massive in this league, and despite Peps influence they still account for a huge amount of goals. Ole new that, that's why we scored alot of goals under him because we were one of the best transitioning teams in the league under Ole.

Neither ETH or Amorin seemingly understand it. And that's why neither will be a success in this league.
 
Lemon Custard said:
Perhaps already posted, but got to agree with this one:

It is time for Sky to stop letting Roy Keane and Gary Neville cover Manchester United

Neville refuses to criticize the clubs owners, perhaps due to his business dealings, and prefers to just attack the manager.
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Sorry mate you will have to remove this, @Zlatan 7 says you can't question G Nev because he ensures he films himself having a glass of red wine on social media when we win, therefore is a bigger fan than me, you or anyone on here.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Sorry mate you will have to remove this, @Zlatan 7 says you can't question G Nev because he ensures he films himself having a glass of red wine on social media when we win, therefore is a bigger fan than me, you or anyone on here.
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I like Neville, and enjoy the Overlap. But he definitely has multiple conflicts of interests when it comes to United.
 
Is he serious with the praising of Ange for fronting for all the problems at spurs whilst spiting absolute shore about Amorim? I can’t believe he’s being serious which therefore leads me to believe he’s stoking the fire. He just cannot be that dense…surely?
 
How can he be taken seriously when he is working with Ineos? He isn't going to be fair and analytical, I wouldn't if I had cash tied up in it? I just ignore him to be honest
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
How can he be taken seriously when he is working with Ineos? He isn't going to be fair and analytical, I wouldn't if I had cash tied up in it? I just ignore him to be honest
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It’s hard to ignore him when all you hear through the full United match is his incessant droning and Peter Drury cumming at every slight chance in the background.
 
Gary only aligns himself with people with power and money these days.

He was a decent right back in his day and was actually a decent pundit when he first started on Sky but these days he's just a media puppet for people with money and power.

Horrid individual, I don't even bother listening to him these days.
 
Reiver said:
I've never had a problem with his punditry. He just tells it how it is. If he doesn't praise United very much it's because there isn't very much to praise. And that's been the case for over a decade now.
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This is pretty much it.

The team is 15th, Neville has called out the players for their responsibility in getting us here, he's called out the owners for the responsibility in getting us here. So rightfully he also calls out Amorim who has a responsibility in us being in 15th. His comments in the first half on the tactical side yesterday was absolutely correct as was born out by us being 1 0 down and giving up 70% possession. If anything I think he hasn't been as critical as he could be of the manager.
 
I feel Gary fell into the media spotlight trap. Say something sensationalist, overblown, or outrageous. It's so typical of mainstream media. Why be balanced or fair? No one will watch.
Th endorphin rush of getting a few more clicks, or responses to your tweets is like a junky looking for his next hit.
 
flameinthesun said:
This is pretty much it.

The team is 15th, Neville has called out the players for their responsibility in getting us here, he's called out the owners for the responsibility in getting us here. So rightfully he also calls out Amorim who has a responsibility in us being in 15th. His comments in the first half on the tactical side yesterday was absolutely correct as was born out by us being 1 0 down and giving up 70% possession. If anything I think he hasn't been as critical as he could be of the manager.
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I feel the criticism is misplaced. Also i feel Gary is short sighted and can't see the big picture, plus see my other post. Haha.
The club is getting what they wanted. A philosophy. A style of play. These players don't fit that system. We need new players to fit the system.
Last manger had to change his philosophy to fit the players he had. Only becasue he would of been fired if he did as we would of been doing the same as now. Losing and looking for the right players to play eth system.
So what's Ruben suppose to do. The same as eth? Just to get short term results?
I think we are finally past that point as a club. But we will see.
To be relevant in mainstream media, you have to be slime. If you want clicks or views or responses.
Lecture hall with articulate and reasoned thought or Jerry Springer? We know who the general public wants to see. Haha
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It's not that "they can't do it". They did it in the league at Anfield and in the fa cup vs Arsenal. They simply can't do it consistently yet and understandably so.

What I find funny though is few want to admit they (the players) couldn't do jack shit consistently in the system they all grew up playing (back 4), which eventually led to ETH getting the sack. Which is why INEOS chose to uproot everything mid season and start from scratch. But instead of embracing the fact everything is starting from scratch. We have people preffering to pretend players are merely "under performing due to tactics" rather than participating in a comprehensive over haul and pre season right in the midst of a competive season. Without the advantages of large swarthes of training ground time to iron out kinks and knowledge short falls. Nor a viable transfer window to turn to.

They prefer to pretend the players "are just inept" or "the coach is clueless/none adaptable" like the likes of Neville and their shallow tactical understanding.
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They can do it in those scenarios because they are not expected to be on the front foot in thos games, so having 5 at the back and playing on the counter works. The Arsenal FA cup came, we had 29% of possession - all be it we were a man down for at least an hour.

I don't think anyone is saying United were great pre Amorim. Far from it given the manager was sacked after poor results this season and last.

I really am pro Amorim. I advocated for him long before most...
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31294965
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31427952
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31427952
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31427952

I agree with what you are saying. He is trying to perform an overhaul mid season, without the players that work in his very specific system. If you watch Sporting under Amorim, it was a really methodical, at times slow, technical way of playing. The players needs to know exactly what to do and where to be to make the patterns work. To a man, he had the players he needed - a top tier forward who can score and hold up, two DMs, CBs with recovery pace, fast technical 10s, wing backs. We dont really have any of the ingredients currently.

Where as under Ten Hag, United played off the cuff in the hope that Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho or McTominay (Brentford) would pop up with some magic. We know he dropped his principles when results didnt go his way. Playing ad hoc football had made this group more difficult to coach a system into.

When he stuck to his system at first, i thought it was worth while the short term pain so that he could see who could cut it next season. But i didn't think, and likely nor did he, that there would be such a steep learning curve.

It feels like it is now detrimental to future success because we still have a chance to get into the CL via the Europa, which would give us the opportunity to improve the squad.

Amorim keeps being dealt 7,2 off suite but wont fold. He said it in the post game interview that we need to forget about long term and just win the next game, so he needs to do whatever he can to do that.
 
Kelly15 said:
I feel the criticism is misplaced. Also i feel Gary is short sighted and can't see the big picture, plus see my other post. Haha.
The club is getting what they wanted. A philosophy. A style of play. These players don't fit that system. We need new players to fit the system.
Last manger had to change his philosophy to fit the players he had. Only becasue he would of been fired if he did as we would of been doing the same as now. Losing and looking for the right players to play eth system.
So what's Ruben suppose to do. The same as eth? Just to get short term results?
I think we are finally past that point as a club. But we will see.
To be relevant in mainstream media, you have to be slime. If you want clicks or views or responses.
Lecture hall with articulate and reasoned thought or Jerry Springer? We know who the general public wants to see. Haha
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There is a middle ground between keeping to your philosophy and being pragmatic, especially when we are trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

When there is a midfield injury crisis and Mainoo, Ugarte and Collier are out, maybe add a little more support to the midfield two of Casemiro and Bruno.

Ensure that Bruno sits and isnt trying to press the left back, thus leaving Casemiro the only man in midfield. Play a back 4 and put Maz into midfield because he was stepping out and back into for most of the game. For me, when he is being asked to to do both, he isnt doing either well, so why not just let him play a long side Casemiro and allow Bruno to roam.

The lesson should have been learned post the Newcastle game. You put two weak midfielders (Case and Eriksen that night) up against a dynamic 3, you are basically conceding that area of the field.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
He was the only RB at the club according to Keane.
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Keane is an insufferable bore about playing everything down though. Doesn't consider he won the Euros, thinks nothing of being high up in the b'allor dor etc.

It's his routine. And also he was only joking with that line!
 
gaffs said:
They can do it in those scenarios because they are not expected to be on the front foot in thos games, so having 5 at the back and playing on the counter works. The Arsenal FA cup came, we had 29% of possession - all be it we were a man down for at least an hour.

I don't think anyone is saying United were great pre Amorim. Far from it given the manager was sacked after poor results this season and last.

I really am pro Amorim. I advocated for him long before most...
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31294965
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31427952
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31427952
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/who-replaces-ten-hag.479509/post-31427952

I agree with what you are saying. He is trying to perform an overhaul mid season, without the players that work in his very specific system. If you watch Sporting under Amorim, it was a really methodical, at times slow, technical way of playing. The players needs to know exactly what to do and where to be to make the patterns work. To a man, he had the players he needed - a top tier forward who can score and hold up, two DMs, CBs with recovery pace, fast technical 10s, wing backs. We dont really have any of the ingredients currently.

Where as under Ten Hag, United played off the cuff in the hope that Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho or McTominay (Brentford) would pop up with some magic. We know he dropped his principles when results didnt go his way. Playing ad hoc football had made this group more difficult to coach a system into.

When he stuck to his system at first, i thought it was worth while the short term pain so that he could see who could cut it next season. But i didn't think, and likely nor did he, that there would be such a steep learning curve.

It feels like it is now detrimental to future success because we still have a chance to get into the CL via the Europa, which would give us the opportunity to improve the squad.

Amorim keeps being dealt 7,2 off suite but wont fold. He said it in the post game interview that we need to forget about long term and just win the next game, so he needs to do whatever he can to do that.
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Fair enough.
For me the team is just not consistently PrO active because of the knowledge gaps. Yesterday was a fine example. First half we resemembled a back 5 because players were simply not fully understanding how to execute their roles. So Spurs had all the freedom. With us pegged back in a hapless 5-1-2-2 shape. Second half the momment we started playing the system like we're largely supposed to we had spurs on the back foot, out numbered in midfield and wide and relying on counters to attack us. Just we lacked the quality nor confidence to take advantage.

I just hope going forward he never allows us to have the shape had first half.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Why is he getting this much space in media? Who the feck is Gary Neville to have such influence? He is pundit, he is commentator, he has exclusive interviews, he is even part of task group regarding Old Trafford (wtf??).
Average fan knows more about football than him. He doesn't even know players outside top English sides, his tactical knowledge is based on "what Sir Alex would do" and all he does is moan about "culture" and "tradition". Awful, xenophobic and annoying "pundit".
But still everything what he says is quoted in English and foreign media. First thing every Monday here in Croatian media (regarding PL) is what Gary Neville said about something. Same goes for Sky, Daily Mail, MEN etc...Gary fecking Neville is the voice of English football these days.

Our former players who are now in punditry are insufferable.
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congrats... nonsense from start to finish. How does the average fan know more than I guy who spend more than half his life at the club? Give me an example of his xenophobia (he managed in Spain)...
 
Not sure how many hung around for the post match debate. If you didn't try finding it on sky sports: Gary talked a lot of sense (surprisingly so did Redknapp). And for those of you who are deluded enough to think Garry is enjoying this, may this will set you right (although I doubt you'll accept it)
 
I think it's actually the opposite of what some are saying. I think Gary is too much of a fan of UTD and his love for the club that makes him sound the way he is.

He genuinely looks hurt and tired after UTD games.

Some of the things he says maybe I don't agree with but that's opinions.
 
He's the equivalent of a fan just ranting at the TV or posting on the matchday thread as things happen. The problem is he's doing it in front of millions and every comment he makes can get turned into a headline. Pre or post match in discussions he's fine, should stick to the punditry and give up commentating on United games at least.
 
Roane said:
I think it's actually the opposite of what some are saying. I think Gary is too much of a fan of UTD and his love for the club that makes him sound the way he is.

He genuinely looks hurt and tired after UTD games.

Some of the things he says maybe I don't agree with but that's opinions.
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I'd agree with that, but at times he goes a bit far the other way with utd , I'd love him to say something more positive about utd, I don't want him to turn into a Jamie or the other Jamie, both Nail there colours to the mast as soon as they on there club.
 
Kelly15 said:
I feel Gary fell into the media spotlight trap. Say something sensationalist, overblown, or outrageous. It's so typical of mainstream media. Why be balanced or fair? No one will watch.
Th endorphin rush of getting a few more clicks, or responses to your tweets is like a junky looking for his next hit.
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Part of it is himself but also a lot of it is likely his employers egging them on, encouraging them to be edgy and then taking clips of the most controversial things they say and putting it out into the world. I imagine if anyone of us talked about United for 15 minutes straight, you could pick a 30-second passage of the most controversial thing we said and amplify it for social media.
 
Neville repeatedly goes way overboard with his criticism on commentary and punditry. He’s trying to make an effort to come across as impartial.

Sadly, the media are lapping it up and letting him to do the leg work in piling the pressure on Utd on behalf of the Anti-United Brigade!
 
mitchmouse said:
congrats... nonsense from start to finish. How does the average fan know more than I guy who spend more than half his life at the club? Give me an example of his xenophobia (he managed in Spain)...
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You have to be really blinkered to not see how xenophobic Neville can be
 
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mitchmouse said:
congrats... nonsense from start to finish. How does the average fan know more than I guy who spend more than half his life at the club? Give me an example of his xenophobia (he managed in Spain)...
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Congrats on ignorance.
Gary Neville showed multiple times (everything is on youtube so easily you can check it) how he barely knows players and clubs outside PL. Even Carragher mocked him about that few times. My favourite part is when he says; "we played against some club from Bulgaria/Hungary/etc..".

You want examples about his xenophobic views? First of all he was against foreign manager for NT. Also, his criticism is nearly always targeted at our foreign players while he avoids as much as he can domestic players.

So yes, he is xenophobic piece of shit. In football terms, to be clear. I am not talking about his personal views in life outside football.
 
Lemon Custard said:
Perhaps already posted, but got to agree with this one:

It is time for Sky to stop letting Roy Keane and Gary Neville cover Manchester United

Neville refuses to criticize the clubs owners, perhaps due to his business dealings, and prefers to just attack the manager.
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Tespectfully disagree with the article's conclusion. Neutral pundits can be as loaded and agenda-driven as past legends.

In short, they are no guarantee of improvement. Seems like the Irish Independent want their narratives to move into the deficit.


Andycoleno9 said:
Why is he getting this much space in media? Who the feck is Gary Neville to have such influence?
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Whatever your feelings on the matter, he splits opinion, which gets people talking. Which sells media products.

Including redcafe!
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Congrats on ignorance.
Gary Neville showed multiple times (everything is on youtube so easily you can check it) how he barely knows players and clubs outside PL. Even Carragher mocked him about that few times. My favourite part is when he says; "we played against some club from Bulgaria/Hungary/etc..".

You want examples about his xenophobic views? First of all he was against foreign manager for NT. Also, his criticism is nearly always targeted at our foreign players while he avoids as much as he can domestic players.

So yes, he is xenophobic piece of shit. In football terms, to be clear. I am not talking about his personal views in life outside football.
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This sort of post is what makes the internet seem like a fecked up place.
 
Coops73 said:
This sort of post is what makes the internet seem like a fecked up place.
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Coops73 said:
I like Neville, he’s intelligent and very knowledgeable and clearly a massive United fan but last night his desperation to come across as impartial annoyed me, I thought it clouded his normal excellent commentary.
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Oh no......i insulted your hero, didn't i?
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Why is he getting this much space in media? Who the feck is Gary Neville to have such influence? He is pundit, he is commentator, he has exclusive interviews, he is even part of task group regarding Old Trafford (wtf??).
Average fan knows more about football than him. He doesn't even know players outside top English sides, his tactical knowledge is based on "what Sir Alex would do" and all he does is moan about "culture" and "tradition". Awful, xenophobic and annoying "pundit".
But still everything what he says is quoted in English and foreign media. First thing every Monday here in Croatian media (regarding PL) is what Gary Neville said about something. Same goes for Sky, Daily Mail, MEN etc...Gary fecking Neville is the voice of English football these days.

Our former players who are now in punditry are insufferable.
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I’m sorry but :lol:
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
Part of it is himself but also a lot of it is likely his employers egging them on, encouraging them to be edgy and then taking clips of the most controversial things they say and putting it out into the world. I imagine if anyone of us talked about United for 15 minutes straight, you could pick a 30-second passage of the most controversial thing we said and amplify it for social media.
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That's fair.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Congrats on ignorance.
Gary Neville showed multiple times (everything is on youtube so easily you can check it) how he barely knows players and clubs outside PL. Even Carragher mocked him about that few times. My favourite part is when he says; "we played against some club from Bulgaria/Hungary/etc..".

You want examples about his xenophobic views? First of all he was against foreign manager for NT. Also, his criticism is nearly always targeted at our foreign players while he avoids as much as he can domestic players.

So yes, he is xenophobic piece of shit. In football terms, to be clear. I am not talking about his personal views in life outside football.
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What a strange post. Have you never heard Neville slate Trents defending?
 
mitchmouse said:
Not sure how many hung around for the post match debate. If you didn't try finding it on sky sports: Gary talked a lot of sense (surprisingly so did Redknapp). And for those of you who are deluded enough to think Garry is enjoying this, may this will set you right (although I doubt you'll accept it)
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Totally agree. People seem to disagree with the commentary that the midfield was wide open. Is was all there for us all to see.

People think he should be sympathetic towards to injuries mid commentary and somehow blame it on INOES and The Glazers. Sure, fine. But Amorim has Bruno running shuttle runs to press the left back and vacating the midfield. All he did was say what we can all see.
 
gaffs said:
Totally agree. People seem to disagree with the commentary that the midfield was wide open. Is was all there for us all to see.

People think he should be sympathetic towards to injuries mid commentary and somehow blame it on INOES and The Glazers. Sure, fine. But Amorim has Bruno running shuttle runs to press the left back and vacating the midfield. All he did was say what we can all see.
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The criticism of Neville from the fans is not about one match against Spurs or about Amorim. This has been building for some time. Funnily you say that fans want him to "somehow blame in on Glazer or INEOS" but oddly enough Neville was blaming everything on the Glazers until INEOS became co-owners.

Rio, Scholes and Keane are critical of our performances all the time. But I have no issues against any of them expressing themselves and welcome their views.

But I find Neville is just a creature of the most vile media principles of sensationalism and promoting self-interests ahead of the well being of the club.
 
Tallis said:
But I find Neville is just a creature of the most vile media principles of sensationalism and promoting self-interests ahead of the well being of the club.
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Qualities which, as I've said umpteen times, would serve him well in a political career. He should be in Parliament. Maybe as MP for Toxteth.
 
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