Gary Neville - Pundit

Neville is a legend for Man Utd and most of the time his opinions have some logical basis. Sure, you may agree or disagree with his opinions ... but some posts here seem to be attacking the person himself, which I find very weird. We should accept that different people have different opinions. If you don't like Neville as a human being for some weird reason, then don't listen to him, it is very simple.
 
frostbite said:
Neville is a legend for Man Utd and most of the time his opinions have some logical basis. Sure, you may agree or disagree with his opinions ... but some posts here seem to be attacking the person himself, which I find very weird. We should accept that different people have different opinions. If you don't like Neville as a human being for some weird reason, then don't listen to him, it is very simple.
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How come Neville gets to express his opinion and you criticize us for expressing our opinion ?
 
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MaxZorin said:
The papers (the telegraph is hardly newsworthy anymore) are just jealous he calls the tune instead of them.

They talk a good game, do the papers.

Anyway, Happy Birthday, Gary. United legend. Can't believe he is fifty.
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Looks like Neville's PR agency has people on redcafe.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Oh no......i insulted your hero, didn't i?
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feck me you’ve gone and found a post I did FOUR years ago, (bit weird)I mean fair play to you, you’ve clearly got time on your hands.

In that time my opinion on Neville’s commentary has changed, like a lot of these pundits he likes a headline and he’s definitely become more hyperbolic but to say he’s xenophobic because he wanted an English manager to manage the England team or because he can’t remember a team from another country he’s played against is utter bollocks, give your head a wobble.

Look I get it, one day when you’re all grown up, grow pubes, start shaving, go outside, get a job with other grown ups, maybe then you’ll realise the world isn’t such a scary place.
 
Tallis said:
The criticism of Neville from the fans is not about one match against Spurs or about Amorim. This has been building for some time. Funnily you say that fans want him to "somehow blame in on Glazer or INEOS" but oddly enough Neville was blaming everything on the Glazers until INEOS became co-owners.

Rio, Scholes and Keane are critical of our performances all the time. But I have no issues against any of them expressing themselves and welcome their views.

But I find Neville is just a creature of the most vile media principles of sensationalism and promoting self-interests ahead of the well being of the club.
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Can you give an example with regards to your last sentence? How are his comments on United in any way promoting his self interests?

Maybe I’m missing something but whenever I listen to Neville, I don’t think he’s very far off the mark.
 
How on earth are people in here so annoyed and irritated with what Gary Neville says? FFS the club in in shambles, everything is going completely down the drain and we're in the worst place we've been post SAF. Why on earth are people - out of everything that you can/should be worried and annoyed about - focusing their attention on Gary Neville because he emphasizes the horrific state of the club in a slightly different manner than some would, or because he is biased or because he gets too much attention.. He is right about the core of the messages that the state of the club and the football is horrific. Don't shoot the messenger.. Who tf cares about what Gary Neville says when the club is in so much sh*t...
 
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I think part of the reason he's disliked is that he's your typical linkedin wanker. Keane says similar stuff but doesn't wank himself silly to Jordan Belfort seminars.
 
gaffs said:
Can you give an example with regards to your last sentence? How are his comments on United in any way promoting his self interests?

Maybe I’m missing something but whenever I listen to Neville, I don’t think he’s very far off the mark.
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As someone mentioned, a lot of his talk is “politician” talk. It’s double talk sometimes and it’s sensationalism (when there are mitagating factors) at other times. You have to listen carefully and for a period of time before you realise his modus operandi.

3 months ago when Amorim was appointed, he sat with Keane, Lampard etc and said that the club should give Amorim time. Giving time means accepting that the team will have a challenging time / lose matches etc.

Two months later - he was saying “the club has gone backward under Amorim”, “the situation is absolutely alarming”, “I thought we would see a bounce with Amorim…”. And he started saying this at a time when we had won 3 of our 4 games. The context here is that Amorim came into a broken squad during the middle of the season and the team was not even below where ETH had left it. We had also started to win games in the Europa which we were not doing under ETH. How does that jive with “we should give him time”. And the context of Amorim coming in the middle of the season should not be lost on Neville.

Until you look back and realize that his comments at the beginning were just saying stuff that the fans wanted to hear at the time. And as soon as we started loosing matches, the tune has changed and he is becoming the angry fan who wants an underperforming manager out.
 
Tallis said:
The criticism of Neville from the fans is not about one match against Spurs or about Amorim. This has been building for some time. Funnily you say that fans want him to "somehow blame in on Glazer or INEOS" but oddly enough Neville was blaming everything on the Glazers until INEOS became co-owners.

Rio, Scholes and Keane are critical of our performances all the time. But I have no issues against any of them expressing themselves and welcome their views.

But I find Neville is just a creature of the most vile media principles of sensationalism and promoting self-interests ahead of the well being of the club.
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It's not his job to preserve the well being of the club, the club should be doing that and they have been doing a piss poor job at it for years, he'd be a fecking idiot not to call it out.

As for Amorim whether he is the right man or not he is there to win football matches and he hasn't done it, on sky Neville actually said how many United players would get into Spurs team at 100% fitness and the answer from him was not many therefore pointing out the lack of quality we have while also pointing out the wasted money etc I mean what more do you want him to say "United lost their 15th league match under this manager everything is going really well and I can see them getting better game on game" facts are getting worse and playing worse than under the other manager who got sacked, he also didn't call for anything for Amorim he pointed out what's happening
 
Gavinb33 said:
It's not his job to preserve the well being of the club, the club should be doing that and they have been doing a piss poor job at it for years, he'd be a fecking idiot not to call it out.

As for Amorim whether he is the right man or not he is there to win football matches and he hasn't done it, on sky Neville actually said how many United players would get into Spurs team at 100% fitness and the answer from him was not many therefore pointing out the lack of quality we have while also pointing out the wasted money etc I mean what more do you want him to say
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I wrote a longer post above which goes into more detail. If he doesn’t think we have many good players than why was he saying that Amorim has taken us backward and him not delivering an uplift immediately was somehow a failure.
 
Tallis said:
I wrote a longer post above which goes into more detail. If he doesn’t think we have many good players than why was he saying that Amorim has taken us backward and him not delivering an uplift immediately was somehow a failure.
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It is a failure it's his job to win football matches it's literally his job, he isn't doing it and we are playing worse than when the other guy got sacked he didn't make that up this is what's happening
 
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It is a failure it's his job to win football matches it's literally his job, he isn't doing it and we are playing worse than when the other guy got sacked he didn't make that up this is what's happening
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If that’s the case, then why did Neville say that Amorim should be given time to change the culture of the club when Amorim joined 3 months ago. He should have said that if Amorim doesn’t improve results within 3 months, I will be calling for his head. Why the false pretense of giving time to Amorim?
 
Tallis said:
If that’s the case, then why did Neville say that Amorim should be given time to change the culture of the club when Amorim joined 3 months ago. He should have said that if Amorim doesn’t improve results within 3 months, I will be calling for his head. Why the false pretense of giving time to Amorim?
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He didn't call for him to be sacked either he never said that so you've completely made that up
 
Tallis said:
If that’s the case, then why did Neville say that Amorim should be given time to change the culture of the club when Amorim joined 3 months ago. He should have said that if Amorim doesn’t improve results within 3 months, I will be calling for his head. Why the false pretense of giving time to Amorim?
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Sorry you're just making that up, one thing Neville has said time and time again is that he will never say on TV/Media that he thinks a manager should be sacked, not just United's, any manager
 
Gavinb33 said:
He didn't call for him to be sacked either he never said that so you've completely made that up
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Yes exactly. He didn’t call for him to be sacked. But he is laying the groundwork and riling up the pressure for fans to start calling for his head.

“Gone backwards” “lowest point” “will start loosing players”. He doesn’t want to be the guy who calls for the head himself but is effectively collecting the firewood and supplying the lighter.
 
Red in STL said:
Sorry you're just making that up, one thing Neville has said time and time again is that he will never say on TV/Media that he thinks a manager should be sacked, not just United's, any manager
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Clarified in the post above.
 
For me, Gary is within his right to call out a bad performance but it was incessant in the last game. You couldn't breathe without him whinging about something else. One would think Spurs absolutely played us off the park but they didn't. It was basically 2 struggling sides


Now he's saying not one of our team will get into Spurs bar Bruno. I firmly disagree. We're talking about Spurs here.

Martinez, Ugarte, Mazraoui, Amad (debatable as they have a really good RW), even the likes of Garnacho and Yoro could stake a claim. Kobbie has been poor this season but he's another one that could have easily been in the conversation ans Spurs have just as many underperforming players.

When you have such games though, the quality of the attack is key, and that is a department where just about every other team in the league appears to be better than us.
 
Tallis said:
Yes exactly. He didn’t call for him to be sacked. But he is laying the groundwork and riling up the pressure for fans to start calling for his head.

“Gone backwards” “lowest point” “will start loosing players”. He doesn’t want to be the guy who calls for the head himself but is effectively collecting the firewood and supplying the lighter.
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Agree with this
 
Glorio said:
For me, Gary is within his right to call out a bad performance but it was incessant in the last game. You couldn't breathe without him whinging about something else. One would think Spurs absolutely played us off the park but they didn't. It was basically 2 struggling sides


Now he's saying not one of our team will get into Spurs bar Bruno. I firmly disagree. We're talking about Spurs here.

Martinez, Ugarte, Mazraoui, Amad (debatable as they have a really good RW), even the likes of Garnacho and Yoro could stake a claim. Kobbie has been poor this season but he's another one that could have easily been in the conversation ans Spurs have just as many underperforming players.

When you have such games though, the quality of the attack is key, and that is a department where just about every other team in the league appears to be better than us.
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He presumbably was talking about the teams on the day so only Maz and Garnacho count out of all those you list and on that basis he's probably right, Garnacho doesn't get in ahead of Son and Maz doesn't really fit in to how Spurs play
 
Glorio said:
For me, Gary is within his right to call out a bad performance but it was incessant in the last game. You couldn't breathe without him whinging about something else. One would think Spurs absolutely played us off the park but they didn't. It was basically 2 struggling sides


Now he's saying not one of our team will get into Spurs bar Bruno. I firmly disagree. We're talking about Spurs here.

Martinez, Ugarte, Mazraoui, Amad (debatable as they have a really good RW), even the likes of Garnacho and Yoro could stake a claim. Kobbie has been poor this season but he's another one that could have easily been in the conversation ans Spurs have just as many underperforming players.

When you have such games though, the quality of the attack is key, and that is a department where just about every other team in the league appears to be better than us.
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They went through it on Sky Martinez is not better than Van de Venn or Romero, Kulusevski and Amad is pretty close, the rest is just true also I won't go through it all but most would take the Spurs players at full fitness over ours in lots of positions, I mean you mention Garnacho you'd take him over Son?
 
Tallis said:
If that’s the case, then why did Neville say that Amorim should be given time to change the culture of the club when Amorim joined 3 months ago. He should have said that if Amorim doesn’t improve results within 3 months, I will be calling for his head. Why the false pretense of giving time to Amorim?
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That’s how you’ve taken the he should be given time comment…

You can give a manger time while the team are not winning anything but slowly show improvements towards winning trophies. That will take time.

We are getting dragged into a relegation battle at the moment.

I like Amorim but it would be a lie to not agree that plenty knew it would be rough and the manager would need time, but are now flapping at the thought of relegation.
 
343 said:
Are United fans supposed to ignore Neville's misdirected whining as the most ubiquitous pundit on TV because he was a committed player?
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It was a "humorous" quip about the title of the video and the modern perspective on Neville from some United fans. It really isn't that deep.
 
Tallis said:
As someone mentioned, a lot of his talk is “politician” talk. It’s double talk sometimes and it’s sensationalism (when there are mitagating factors) at other times. You have to listen carefully and for a period of time before you realise his modus operandi.

3 months ago when Amorim was appointed, he sat with Keane, Lampard etc and said that the club should give Amorim time. Giving time means accepting that the team will have a challenging time / lose matches etc.

Two months later - he was saying “the club has gone backward under Amorim”, “the situation is absolutely alarming”, “I thought we would see a bounce with Amorim…”. And he started saying this at a time when we had won 3 of our 4 games. The context here is that Amorim came into a broken squad during the middle of the season and the team was not even below where ETH had left it. We had also started to win games in the Europa which we were not doing under ETH. How does that jive with “we should give him time”. And the context of Amorim coming in the middle of the season should not be lost on Neville.

Until you look back and realize that his comments at the beginning were just saying stuff that the fans wanted to hear at the time. And as soon as we started loosing matches, the tune has changed and he is becoming the angry fan who wants an underperforming manager out.
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Is there anything here that you disagree with??



Im onside with exactly what Neville is saying....
-You can't leave Casemiro isolated in midfield by having Bruno running out to press the left back. (Defoe and Redknapp making exactly the same point so maybe they are ABU too?)
-Hopefully Amorim gets the time to build a new squad
-There is nothing, as yet, on the field to suggest that Amorm is the man for the job. And before you get triggered there, the key words are "as yet" because there has been little to nothing to be seen that shows that he is the man.
-I would have expected to see more of an improvement. Fair to say as we all would.
-There are better ways to line up this group of players. Agree - goes back to leaving Casemiro so exposed.
-The players are poor and few would get into the Spurs team.
-Talks about a poor environment for the past 10 years.
 
gaffs said:
Is there anything here that you disagree with??



Im onside with exactly what Neville is saying....
-You can't leave Casemiro isolated in midfield by having Bruno running out to press the left back. (Defoe and Redknapp making exactly the same point so maybe they are ABU too?)
-Hopefully Amorim gets the time to build a new squad
-There is nothing, as yet, on the field to suggest that Amorm is the man for the job. And before you get triggered there, the key words are "as yet" because there has been little to nothing to be seen that shows that he is the man.
-I would have expected to see more of an improvement. Fair to say as we all would.
-There are better ways to line up this group of players. Agree - goes back to leaving Casemiro so exposed.
-The players are poor and few would get into the Spurs team.
-Talks about a poor environment for the past 10 years.
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The problem with most in here is that they take 3 years to come to the same conclusion that can be made after 6 months.
 
gaffs said:
Is there anything here that you disagree with??



Im onside with exactly what Neville is saying....
-You can't leave Casemiro isolated in midfield by having Bruno running out to press the left back. (Defoe and Redknapp making exactly the same point so maybe they are ABU too?)
-Hopefully Amorim gets the time to build a new squad
-There is nothing, as yet, on the field to suggest that Amorm is the man for the job. And before you get triggered there, the key words are "as yet" because there has been little to nothing to be seen that shows that he is the man.
-I would have expected to see more of an improvement. Fair to say as we all would.
-There are better ways to line up this group of players. Agree - goes back to leaving Casemiro so exposed.
-The players are poor and few would get into the Spurs team.
-Talks about a poor environment for the past 10 years.
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You miss the point with Neville. He's not as crass/stupid as Scholes is, but he just pumps out opinions, often contradictory and people are getting tired of it.

In a short space of time he has said he sympathises with managers, told Ruben it can't go on like this, said he sees nothing to say Ruben is the man for the job and also said Ruben needs 3 windows....
 
mitchmouse said:
he clearly has nothing of the sort... that's just something you've decided. he has set the set up is wrong and it so obviously is
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I would never take the word of Gary Neville, who has 600 appearances for United with a list of trophies including 8 Premier League titles, 3 FA Cups, 3 League Cups, and 2 Champions Leagues; was in the Team of the Year 5 times, and got 85 caps for England. I mean, what the feck does he know about anything? Betcha he can't even kick a ball.
 
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