He uses the players as a human shield.
Gareth Southgate
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in just 2 weeks, bellinghams gone from being the best player in the world, to he should be a 6 as hes all action (who cares if he doesnt play there for his club) to wtf did gareth not sub him off, hes playing pants.
english football opinion is thick as feck.
english football opinion is thick as feck.
This squad is not better than the WC or last euro squad. Thats the gist of the issue. Then again these are the players Gareth decided to take.
In every facet of English society we portray ourselves as the underdogs against anyone external (well, besides our fellow Brits/the Irish) and it's no different in the national team no matter what squad we've got.
We played like cowards going up against the might of whoever when we had the golden generation, we still play like cowards now. Treating the ball like a hot potato and collectively losing our heads and letting everyone with an ounce of spunk about them walk all over us. We've got some of the most talented and most revered players in the entire tournament and we play like we're a Sunday league team playing 1970 Brazil.
Been an issue my entire life (34 years). Euro 96 against the Germans, WC 98 against Argentina, Euro 2000 against Portugal in the opener, WC 2002 against Brazil. Portugal in the Euros and WC, Germany in 2010, Italy in 2012 and 2020(1), etc. are the big teams we constantly fail to turn up against but it happens so often against the mid teams that latch onto the smallest bit of weakness we've got and rip us apart. Serbia knew if they got at us we'd collapse (in terms of our game plan and structure, thankfully not the result) in the opening game, the Danes did the same and Slovenia probably could've beaten us last night with a bit of enterprise. Not great teams quality wise but mentality so much better than ours.
Zero bottle. We're the Arsenal/Spurs of international football. It's a complete mentality thing, going from the coaches to the players to the fans and the press.
We played like cowards going up against the might of whoever when we had the golden generation, we still play like cowards now. Treating the ball like a hot potato and collectively losing our heads and letting everyone with an ounce of spunk about them walk all over us. We've got some of the most talented and most revered players in the entire tournament and we play like we're a Sunday league team playing 1970 Brazil.
Been an issue my entire life (34 years). Euro 96 against the Germans, WC 98 against Argentina, Euro 2000 against Portugal in the opener, WC 2002 against Brazil. Portugal in the Euros and WC, Germany in 2010, Italy in 2012 and 2020(1), etc. are the big teams we constantly fail to turn up against but it happens so often against the mid teams that latch onto the smallest bit of weakness we've got and rip us apart. Serbia knew if they got at us we'd collapse (in terms of our game plan and structure, thankfully not the result) in the opening game, the Danes did the same and Slovenia probably could've beaten us last night with a bit of enterprise. Not great teams quality wise but mentality so much better than ours.
Zero bottle. We're the Arsenal/Spurs of international football. It's a complete mentality thing, going from the coaches to the players to the fans and the press.
It's not remotely a talent issue. We could pick a half-decent squad from players that aren't at the Euros, from just the top half of the Premier League:
Players with 10 or more league appearances in the PL last season:
Man City - Jack Grealish, Rico Lewis, Kalvin Phillips
Arsenal - Ben White, Eddie Nketiah, Emile Smith-Rowe, Reiss Nelson
Liverpool - Harvey Elliot, Curtis Jones, Jarell Quansah
Aston Villa - Jacob Ramsey, Morgan Rogers
Tottenham - James Maddison, Oliver Skipp
Chelsea - Raheem Sterling, Levi Colwill, Noni Madueke, Ben Chilwell, Trevoh Chalobah, Alfie Gilchrist
Newcastle - Sean Longstaff, Dan Burn, Tino Livramento, Harvey Barnes, Callum Wilson, Jacob Murphy, Lewis Miley, Lewis Hall, Jamaal Lascelles, Nick Pope
Man Utd - Marcus Rashford, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Harry Maguire, Mason Mount
West Ham - James Ward-Prowse, Danny Ings, Ben Johnson, Aaron Cresswell
Crystal Palace - Tyrick Mitchell, Will Hughes, Joel Ward, Sam Johnstone, Nathaniel Clyne
And that's before you consider players like Reece James (who made 9 appearances) and players from the bottom half of the league or in other leagues.
Bro compare the starting xi to the starting xi of the world cup or last euros. Those teams are way more dangerous
The only players unavailable from those starting line-ups are Shaw and Phillips, the other missing players (Maguire and Henderson) just weren't selected.
Yes, he has most def been in the bargain bin in terms of player selection.
Maguire is injured
Alright, so move him to the "unavailable" category.
Are we really claiming that England were "way more dangerous" because they had Harry Maguire, Kalvin Phillips and Jordan Henderson in the side?
Shaw is a miss, but even then, we could have simply selected an actual left-back in the 26-man squad.
Agreed
This argument about look at what the managers did before him isn't very convincing. Looking too much to the past is why we have a collective hangup over England in tournament football. Why does it matter what Fabio Capello did yonks ago for example, it's not relevant. That's absolutely not the standard.
The question is whether he's doing a good job with the resources available and given the landscape that was presented to him. We really haven't beaten many teams in tournament football we shouldn't be a decent favourite against. So he's done an acceptable job to date but ultimately we didn't win anything. That's not a complete success, it's partial success with an asterisk attached.
So then you come to this tournament and look at it, 8 years in the job, do we see anything suggests a manager and squad that are building towards the goal of winning a tournament. No, I don't think we do and that's why there is rightly criticism I suppose. What are we showing for this manager's tenure except the fact the lads like turning up and throwing darts in the hotel lobby for club England?
Ultimately the proof will be in the outcome of this tournament but at this stage there's nothing to be compelled by about Southgate and England, it's an underperformance, the bare minimum achieved so far, the results got us through a group but that's it.
Exactly. Who else would have been available at left-back? Rico Lewis?
Rico Lewis, Tyrick Mitchell and Ben Chilwell were all fit, I think.
His luck literally never ends. The only group winners that England can possibly play before the final now are fecking Romania and Austria. 
His luck literally never ends. The only group winners that England can possibly play before the final now are fecking Romania and Austria.
Alternatively, his luck has ran out, as he can't hide behind having to play Germany, Spain or Portugal (or France or Belgium) when England get knocked out.
If England face the Netherlands, Italy and Austria on route to the final it's not a terrible run but it is a bit trickier than some of his other lucky routes. A final game against (probably) Germany, Portugal, Spain or France will mean he has to face a top team eventually.His luck literally never ends. The only group winners that England can possibly play before the final now are fecking Romania and Austria.
England will go out next round. No matter who they play. Southgate will be gone and I'll be surprised, to say the least if any PL cubs want him.
Just imagining what I could do with this guy's luck. Play the lottery once and then be set for life...
This guy is literally the luckiest. If Georgia had not just pulled off one of, if not the greatest upset in Euro history, they would have been facing Netherlands, instead they get Slovakia
Lee Carsley is under consideration to replace him according to TalkSport
Hang on, we play Italy after Slovakia don't weHis luck literally never ends. The only group winners that England can possibly play before the final now are fecking Romania and Austria.
Slovakia will be harder to get a smash and grab win against because they'll sit back and the depth of Southgate's tactical plan seems to be relying on either a Hail Mary-style counter or just dumb luck, so I'd honestly rather face a team that was likely to actually have a go if I was an England fan.This guy is literally the luckiest. If Georgia had not just pulled off one of, if not the greatest upset in Euro history, they would have been facing Netherlands, instead they get Slovakia
That being said, you could hardly do a better job of tailoring this bracket to suit England even if you tried, unless you resort to unrealistic fever dreams like Scotland, Albania and Poland finishing second in groups with three stronger teams. I'd fancy five or six of the teams on the other side to beat all eight of the teams on England's side over a series of games.
Literally repeating the Southgate hire!
You can't make it up.
Are they the council?
Yeah or Switzerland. Neither of whom were group winners.
Still, Italy is a tough draw compared to Romania or Austria who were group winners though.
Been saying this for a while now, he's got this nice guy image that the media put forward but it's just not true at all. He's a coward and doesn't hesitate to throw his players under the bus.
England should be beating Italy. They won't though of course.
So basically Southgate will most likely play Slovakia, Switzerland and Austria on the way to the final.
This looks like a draw for a qualifying group and not a Euro knockout schedule.
The luckiest manager ever?
This looks like a draw for a qualifying group and not a Euro knockout schedule.
The luckiest manager ever?
and Alfie Doughty, would have been the perfect foil for Foden providing width down the left.
The FA don’t give a feck about winning tournaments. They want a PR friendly yes man that will consistently get past the group stages at tournaments and nothing more.
He was a 'meh' player and part of the bald duo with Gravesen at Everton. Did score a rare winner in the Merseyside Derby though, that's all I remember of him.
I personally am loving all the stick he is getting.
Sounds perfect for England.
They should get Eddie Howe, before he gets sacked from Newcastle.
Eddie Howe would genuinely be a gigantic step up from Southgate.
This.
He has the tactical nous and the balls that Southgate lacks.
Even though I wanted him out after Euro 2020/1, I got why he was given the next tournament in the World Cup. At face value, the powers that be saw that we reached a final and that was enough. Performances and repeated errors weren't taken into account.
I still can't believe he got this tournament to waste, though.
I still can't believe he got this tournament to waste, though.
Time to put that FA succession plan into action.
With the players he has, to serve us such boring crap is unforgivable.