Who knows, we are all going off media articles really. I think Southgate will take a break and not sure if he would be too keen on taking a job where he really would not be a very popular choice.
Gareth Southgate resigns as England Manager
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Wouldnt bet against that... No guarantee the new manager will get them playing better and they could easily do worse in tournaments. Hope not
Good post. Re: 2021, i think pressure is what caused english players to rush passes and runs and fail to take advantage of those first 15 minutes when they were on top. I think pressure is what lead to Southgate trusting his team and gameplan too much in the second half. I think pressure is why england fails to defend a corner kick, where the shortest guy on the pitch ends up winning the aerial ball. I think pressure, fear more specifically, is why England(and Italy) barely try to win in ET. And i think pressure is why English players miss their penalties
But to be honest, I don't think pressure was all that much of an issue at that tournament. It was in the final, but that's the same for everyone. Pressure was an issue at this tournament, because this time around England were expected to win. Nobody was thinking of England as the best team going into Euro 2021.
As for Southgate himself, I disagree fundamentally about him not having a way. What you described is in fact a way, and one England were great at executing. Whether it was the best use of those players is another story - personally I think it was, but that's just me. And Qatar was different, England were much more of a front foot, high pressing side, more aggressive and trying to force transition opportunities. All of it helped by the conditions of course, the only times we see teams play like that in international football is with smaller SA countries under madmen managers like Bielsa
still it was imo the best england have been at a major tournament in 30 years. Southgate showed some serious flaws in those tournaments but also some serious chops as a manager, beyond just being a good psychologist(which most ex players i hear are convinced is the most important quality of a NT manager btw) and media savvy.Completely agree about this current england group, at this time, being beyond his ability though. That was evident I think
It could make sense in that it was always stated very clearly they didn't want to sack ETH - so that being the starting point, their interviews with him and other candidates could have confirmed they were happy with him, but that if things go South in the coming months, they have a waiting list that Tuchel would be on (or at the top of). Doesn't sound outlandish.
I'm not an England fan. I just think the Spain and Italy results were against good opponents but beatable opponents with the talent at England's disposal and the various dynamics of both games.
Me too, but he’s well liked in the FA and respected by the players. Not be surprised if he gets interviewed. Would be a poor choice though - but this is the FA we are talking about.
there's no indication that he's the favorite or that he himself is even interested in the position, but there's been plenty of speculation that the US soccer federation is interested in him replacing berhalter.
The key point to note for Tuchel "if available" - I'd fully expect Tuchel to be back in work before Southgate.
Because the next manager won't be a dumb coward and lose to the first hard team they'll face. Like every single tournament. His luck finally ran out.
You hope.
Next England manager odds.
Graham Potter 6/4
Lee Carsley 3/1
Eddie Howe 2/1
Jurgen Klopp 10/1
Mauricio Pochettino 11/1
Thomas Tuchel 18/1
Frank Lampard 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 20/1
Michael Carrick 33/1
Ralf Rangnick 33/1
Jose Mourinho 40/1
Pep Guardiola 40/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 40/1
The rest 50/1 or more
Graham Potter 6/4
Lee Carsley 3/1
Eddie Howe 2/1
Jurgen Klopp 10/1
Mauricio Pochettino 11/1
Thomas Tuchel 18/1
Frank Lampard 20/1
Marcelo Bielsa 20/1
Michael Carrick 33/1
Ralf Rangnick 33/1
Jose Mourinho 40/1
Pep Guardiola 40/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 40/1
The rest 50/1 or more
We could have a dual manager setup of Lampard and Gerrard, then hire Scholes to put the cones out for training.
It would be nice way to mark 60th anniversary of '66 WC win.
Anyway, 4 tournaments under Southgate with 2 finals, one WC semi-final and one quarter-final. He'll be happy with that, especially if England don't achieve anything over next decade.
Apart from the usual list of English clodhoppers....(Graham Taylor says hi!) are there any actually properly qualified managers for England that offer the same sort of opportunity that Sarina Wiegman did for the Women's team, namely
Proven international manager with a record of winning actual tournaments
Record of being able to adapt and change styles and formations to suit opportunities against different teams
Ability to re-organise and change formation "in game" to overcome adversity and play to attacking strengths
Make pro-active substitutions in games - prepared to bring off "big names"
Will argue for changes in approach / investment in facilities rather than just toe the line of FA like Phil Neville did
Nationality doesn't matter but language / communication in English IS a relevant requirement to me.
Proven international manager with a record of winning actual tournaments
Record of being able to adapt and change styles and formations to suit opportunities against different teams
Ability to re-organise and change formation "in game" to overcome adversity and play to attacking strengths
Make pro-active substitutions in games - prepared to bring off "big names"
Will argue for changes in approach / investment in facilities rather than just toe the line of FA like Phil Neville did
Nationality doesn't matter but language / communication in English IS a relevant requirement to me.
If the reports are true and Southgate is set to be Knighted then this will be me officially done with the British Honours System. For hundreds of years the Monarch has bestowed these rewards upon those who have demonstrated considerable bravery and excellence. Neither of these are hallmarks of the national team dictactorship run by the slobbering coward Wokegate. Sure, there have been a few British Honours given to those who critics believe might not have quite deserved it like Robert Mugabe, Jimmy Saville, Gary Lineker and Benito Mussolini, but at least there was some merit in their nomination. I've been staunchly Southgate out for the last 8 years but if this goes through, I'll be dusting off the cobwebs and bringing back the Charles Out banners from 1997.
Finally, football is coming home
Can England please hire someone who has the balls to drop big name players and put the team first for once, so that England can win something and we can all move on from this circus for the next 40 years?
I know you are joking but some posts, even if tongue-in-cheek, should be punished with a temporary ban, and using that nickname makes your post a good candidate.
I know you are joking but some posts, even if tongue-in-cheek, should be punished with a temporary ban, and using that nickname makes your post a good candidate.
Potter would be Southgate2
Potter would be a fate worse than a fate worse than Southgate.
Probably because hes a proud German and the part of England he has an affinity to arent exactly known for their nationalistic pride.
Has this been posted yet?
A sad day for non English fans 
People just assume that England will go to the latter stages of tournaments. Hardly ever happened in the last 58 years, what makes you think that we will just suddenly will.
Maybe we suddenly start thrashing teams or just regress without Southgate. Who knows!
Those managers will stick club football!
Turned an unsuccessful side with bad vibes into an unsuccessful side with good vibes. Mega job.
That is the stupidest thing I've heard today. Congrats
The form before and the form after makes the run to that tournament look more and more like an anomaly.
You're weirdly offended by England fans fancying their team to get over the line against a good-but-not-great Italian team, in a final played at Wembley.
It was always going to be a tight game, but Southgate surrendered the advantage and momentum with his cowardly approach.
Lee Carsley?
I didn't even realise he was still in football. Got to be doing better than that
Offer it to Klopp and if he doesn't want it, offer it to him again in a week with a "please"
I didn't even realise he was still in football. Got to be doing better than that
Offer it to Klopp and if he doesn't want it, offer it to him again in a week with a "please"
Kinda disagree about Spain, honestly I think england's best bet there was playing for penalties(and that might have actually been the plan, but all it took was for Rodri to come out to blow up their defence, so honestly they didn't even have a real chance of that). But it's a bit irrelevant, isn't it? Just because you can win, doesn't mean you should win. Italy was 50/50 and it ended on penalties. Spain was 90/10 - and yes I agree it shouldn't have been, but it was
I stand by my point. First time under Southgate they play a tournament with real pressure and expectations not just to do the best they can but to actially go all the way and win, and they took a mile long leap backward while complaining about external criticism
And why is that relevant? It was one game at one specific point in time, not a league season. England didn't play the team that lost to North Macedonia. They played the team that beat Belgium and Spain and looked like the best team in the tournaments going into the final
I think it was Alf Ramsey who said that winning as a manager requires the art of picking the best team to do the the job, rather than the best players, this was most noticeable when he picked Charlton over Greaves in the WC final, he could truct Charlton to do a better job man marking Beckenbauer than he could Greaves, others had to score the goals.
Southgate has never picked the best team.
As a side note didn't Scotland beat Spain in the qualifiers?
Southgate has never picked the best team.
As a side note didn't Scotland beat Spain in the qualifiers?
One thing he had was luck. In the next WC, England will probably be drawn against Spain/Germany/France in the round of 16 and get eliminated, and you would have Southgate loyalists claiming he would have done better. Well atleast, I can go back to rooting for England as I wouldnt have to sit through his brand of "terrorist football".
You can't possibly work out why fans of a team that had reached the semi-finals of the previous World Cup fancied their chances against a team that failed to even qualify for it?
You can't possibly work out why, with hindsight, those same fans feel like it was a massive missed opportunity when that same team then failed to qualify for the following World Cup, as a result of losing to known footballing giants, North Macedonia?
If it wasn't an anomaly, where was this team three years earlier? Where were they less than a year later?
You keep mentioning beating Spain and Belgium as if they were any better than the Germany and Netherlands sides England have beaten in the last two tournaments, but that are disregarded as being "not great results". Belgium have been also-rans since 2018, and Spain were eliminated in the first knockout round of the World Cups either side, first by Russia, then by Morocco (the latter after finishing behind Japan in their group).
Italy, of course, did well to reach the final, as did England. I will remind you again, that it was at Wembley - it wasn't close to being neutral ground. This isn't to say that England were clear and obvious favourites and should have ran out 3-0 winners, but they were slight favourites, effectively had home advantage, and after the early goal, had an advantage and momentum that they failed to capitalise on precisely because of Southgate's cowardly approach to the game.
Jose is unavailable.
Nor does he put the team first.
Oh no. He puts the team first, in his own way. It is just his way is so confrontational that he ends pissing off some of his own players.
Germany pushed Spain all the way and arguably played better, this wasn't some unbeatable Spain side like from the previous decade. England had a superior squad to Germany so any good manager should have been able to challenge Spain, rather than play on the back foot in the hope of getting a lucky goal.
Was Gareth ever really in charge?
This is just an opinion, based somewhat on what I've read/seen over the years. So in my opinion:
England did pretty much what UTD have done recently. They put in place a structure that looked at what was going wrong. For me specifically the golden generation. Pretty much all who have stated that the English set up was cliques. No style of play when getting into later rounds against good teams.
England tried everything including foreign coaches. But it just didn't seem to work.
To their credit the FA took a step back and basically put the house in order somewhat and bought in a guy that was squeaky clean and not one who was going to make much of a fuss in Southgate.
The plan worked well if we are honest. Albeit anything outside of winning the final is seen by media/fans as failure.
Going back to previous managers comments the FA was more in control than the manager. Was it Graham Taylor caught saying he wasn't allowed to pick certain players?
Also there have been in the past rumours of certain players getting in simply due to their name and the money they potentially bring in. Was this the case for Kane? If he is injured?
If any of what I have said is close to the truth then any manager will do what Southgate did in the future.
Could be wrong of course but I don't think Southgate had the control we give him credit for. Everything about him comes across as manufactured.
This is just an opinion, based somewhat on what I've read/seen over the years. So in my opinion:
England did pretty much what UTD have done recently. They put in place a structure that looked at what was going wrong. For me specifically the golden generation. Pretty much all who have stated that the English set up was cliques. No style of play when getting into later rounds against good teams.
England tried everything including foreign coaches. But it just didn't seem to work.
To their credit the FA took a step back and basically put the house in order somewhat and bought in a guy that was squeaky clean and not one who was going to make much of a fuss in Southgate.
The plan worked well if we are honest. Albeit anything outside of winning the final is seen by media/fans as failure.
Going back to previous managers comments the FA was more in control than the manager. Was it Graham Taylor caught saying he wasn't allowed to pick certain players?
Also there have been in the past rumours of certain players getting in simply due to their name and the money they potentially bring in. Was this the case for Kane? If he is injured?
If any of what I have said is close to the truth then any manager will do what Southgate did in the future.
Could be wrong of course but I don't think Southgate had the control we give him credit for. Everything about him comes across as manufactured.