no way Perez would sell Bale for anything less than 60m pound. If We're really in for Bale, Real 'll absolutely rob us and pay peanut butter for Reus as his replacement.
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Fantastic post but it'll be ignored I'm afraid, the general consensus seem to be firmly on the,
"I hate bale bandwagon"
But you are 100% correct.
Madrid and Barça regularly hammer La Liga teams, Chelsea and Hazard stumbled their way over the finish line with defensive tactics.
I know they wouldn't sell for £30M - just emphasising how much I don't want him
Seriously though, my hesitation has a lot to do with the fact that I don't think he's into us much - if he came it would only be because Real rejected him - I don't want that for us. We have Di Maria already who can't quite settle in. Need players willing to spill blood for us on the pitch. We're rebuilding and I don't want us to waste time pandering to egos etc (unless it's Ronaldo or Messi!).
Also, I have to wonder about Bale's personality. Is it really everyone else's fault that he's not fitting in? Isn't it normal that you go to a foreign country you learn to speak the language? Why should they have to adapt to him? Shouldn't it be the other way around
Another thing, he's having niggling injuries. With our luck, we spend a lot on him and he get's injured!
Everything you just said is 100% truth that I agree with, especially the part about NL Max being our potential main goal provider from the wing. To me it's no longer question of quality there as we have huge variety with the players you just mentioned. It's now about reasonable depth that will push us through all four competitions with some trophy in the end with a squad that will endure long and physical season under fire by inevitable injuries and Louie's ass twitch to change the system.
I'm fully aware there's a slightly bigger priority than splashing the cash of FC Liverpool's budget proportion on Gareth Bale... if there's for example a remote chance of signing one of the Juve's midfield pillars then logic automatically wins and choice becomes a one way path.
Players may flop or not but with solid depth nothing will stop this train. Not even Swansea. Secure things everywhere there can be done something positive and chances are we may just end where Sir Alex left us - on a trophy stand.
Can't really see why so many people think of him as a technically limited player.
Its all about his price in the end. If he cost Madrid 30m there would be less expectations. Unfortunately fans are generally muppets who equate how much a team pays for a player to what is expected of them, when in a vast majority of instances, the player has nothing to do with the price. Di Maria is obviously the latest example as well.
I think Di Maria is unsettled and wants a move. There is a valid argument if he stays buying Bale could be a waste of valuable resources which could be better diverted in other more pressing positions.
I still think when arguably the best British player becomes available we should buy. Both for footballing and marketing reasons.
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I would gladly take him if available, but one extra positive for his signing, is it instantly takes the pressure off di maria, rooney and mata to be our focal point, which should mean we get a lot better performances from all 3.
Are we even linked with him? I don't believe for a second Real would sell him to us after one bad season.
If we do get him, and it's a big if, we should surely be looking at a reduced fee because of his form, not just on what he could potentially bring back for us? We wouldn't have spent £60 million on Di Maria if we bought him in any previous season. We paid that much because he had the season of his life, and not only were his assists impressive, but he was consistently Madrid's best performer.
He is a great player no doubt, and you can't not want a player because their form is currently low at the moment. I just don't see why we should bring on a shot player, who could take a while to bring that confidence back, on another ridiculous fee which would just heap on more pressure on him.
He is a great player no doubt, and you can't not want a player because their form is currently low at the moment. I just don't see why we should bring on a shot player, who could take a while to bring that confidence back, on another ridiculous fee which would just heap on more pressure on him.
If Bale wants a move Madrid are hardly going to stand in his way. Calderon hinted as much. Madrid are also very savvy at wanting players who are marketable. I don't think Bale is very popular with fans at the moment.
The fee didn't really affect him though, he had a great first season. It's the fans getting progressively more frustrated at him that shot his confidence. He simply wouldn't get that treatment here.
That and the fact that the other players seem to be avoiding him. I know it seems to be that he's avoiding the ball which he may be doing, but it's almost like the team are under instruction to use James and Isco at any opportunity. I'm not sure if that stat remained at the end of the game, but I'm pretty sure by the 75th minute yesterday Ronaldo was yet to pass to Bale.
If we are going to sign a big money player from Europe, now is the time to do it as the pound / euro rate is so good.
Genuinely think he's worth about £50m - would be a superb buy btw.
That's not what I meant by that. He was just coming off his best season at Spurs, and you're right in that he did very well in his debut season at Madrid.
I am saying from our perspective, if we were to slap another £80 million onto his name, when he is currently at a low point in his confidence that he may feel more pressure than ever to be the main man at United after being so badly criticized by his own fans.
This is all a hypothetical of course; he may just arrive and hit the ground running, but I just wouldn't like to see a Torres style situation again (slightly different from each other, but similar in big price tag and heavy expectations).
Seriously though, my hesitation has a lot to do with the fact that I don't think he's into us much - if he came it would only be because Real rejected him - I don't want that for us. We have Di Maria already who can't quite settle in. Need players willing to spill blood for us on the pitch. We're rebuilding and I don't want us to waste time pandering to egos etc (unless it's Ronaldo or Messi!).
Also, I have to wonder about Bale's personality. Is it really everyone else's fault that he's not fitting in? Isn't it normal that you go to a foreign country you learn to speak the language? Why should they have to adapt to him? Shouldn't it be the other way around
Another thing, he's having niggling injuries. With our luck, we spend a lot on him and he get's injured!
Thats pretty emphatic
Its all about opinions Jazz, but i'd love to have him at United. I dont think Di Maria's gonna be around next season either - possibly a loan move to PSG, with an option to buy (same as ours with Monaco). LvG has said, that the player will decide what he wants - that he has all the power etc, and Di Maria looks like a player that wants out of Manchester..
-------------Rooney
Depay-------------------Bale
-------Di Maria-----Herrera
-------------Carrick
--------Carrick----------
----Herrera--Pogba---
Depay-------------Bale
--------Rooney-------
With Lacazette, Gundogan and Di Maria in waiting. If you're gonna do it, do it right!
We would almost certainly buy him for that price if he was available.
Yep
I like your style man --------Carrick/Schneiderlin----------
----Herrera/Gundogan --Pogba---
Bale-------------------------Depay
--------------Rooney------------
They did it with Robben.
First question on a scale from 0 to 10 how realistic is this transfer ? 0 being there is absolutley no way he'd ever come to us (like Messi for example) and 10 being the deal is as good as done.
Second question if Bale would come to us doesn't it make more sense to play him as a CF ? Imo that was his best position at Tottenham in which he made those £100m performances. If iam not mistake also the role he usually plays for the Welsh national team and imo the role in which he he can easily score 25+ goals per season.
-----------------DDG-------------------
Valencia---Smalling--Laporte---Shaw
-------------Schneiderlin--------------
---------Herrera---------------
Di Maria----------Bale----------Depay
------------------Rooney---------------
Second question if Bale would come to us doesn't it make more sense to play him as a CF ? Imo that was his best position at Tottenham in which he made those £100m performances. If iam not mistake also the role he usually plays for the Welsh national team and imo the role in which he he can easily score 25+ goals per season.
-----------------DDG-------------------
Valencia---Smalling--Laporte---Shaw
-------------Schneiderlin--------------
---------Herrera---------------
Di Maria----------Bale----------Depay
------------------Rooney---------------
The thing that annoys me is that some posts in this thread, make it seem like Bale is David Bentley who fluked one good season. He's still playing at the level he was for spurs, in international football this season, being at Madrid is the problem. I honestly believe he'd be a game winner for us, someone who can pick the ball up at half way and score on his own or score a 30 yard screamer out of nothing. I understand some of the legitimate reasons why some wouldn't want him, price tag and from a tactical perspective, but some are trying to make out that he's just not very good or they don't like the bloke, its pedantic bullshit. He'd strengthen any team in the league, I know who I'd rather have running up the right and its not Antonio Valencia.
That his wife and young child still live in England is a fairly big indicator that Bale doesn't see Madrid as his long term home.
This was a move too good to turn down, so he went along for the ride to see what would come of it. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him here come September, albeit I'm fairly ambivalent either way.
This was a move too good to turn down, so he went along for the ride to see what would come of it. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him here come September, albeit I'm fairly ambivalent either way.
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Like with De Gea too i guess. Although a wife is a bit different to a girlfriend, but i'm clutching at straws to be honest.
I dont hate Bale , would love to see him come here and I think he would soon be a firm fan favourite, dispite what a few think of him now.
I just think the price Real will want for him is the big stumbling block.
If we can get 60 million for Di Maria, then I would definitely be all for spunking 80 million on Bale. I was never too convinced by him but I feel he is the type of direct player who could turn our fortunes around.
Yeah but Prime Kaka>Prime Iniesta
Sorry but, whut?
A bit different though, in terms of how good they are; both are World Cup winners and one's a treble winner, the other is a previous Balon d'Or winner, slightly different than two very good wingers.
Nope.
Ouch, horrible situation to be in.
Incorrect.
Wasn't he pretty decent playing CAM at Tottenham? I seem to recall him playing there quite a few times and playing quite well.
The stat comparisons are stupid anyway...
Look at di Maria's shite season versus Coutinho's excellent one. Also I stand by what I said regarding the majority of La Liga sides being absolute cannon fodder for Bale and Madrid.
Look at di Maria's shite season versus Coutinho's excellent one. Also I stand by what I said regarding the majority of La Liga sides being absolute cannon fodder for Bale and Madrid.
Depends on the rest of the team around them. Off the top of my head, looking at their squads and lineups right now, United, Real Madrid and Bayern would take Iniesta in a second, for instance, whereas Atletico, Juve, Spurs would be better off with Kaka.
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