people shouldnt worry about the money, let Woody worry about that. Pretty sure that the money will be there for the right players, we will not miss out on any player due to money reasons
Gareth Bale
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You're missing the obvious - we wont sign him unless Van Gaal wants him. If we sign him (or try to) then it's therefore fair to assume that Van Gaal feels he will fit into his side - whatever system he intends to play. The system has changd umpteen times already this season and will likely continune to develop and will likely change depending on what players he brings in.
Overall, the argument that he can't "fit" into Van Gaal's style is moot because if he doesnt then we wont sign him.
Bale will be made to look ordinary in our system. First of all he's not the type of player to unlock a defensive team, incase people were thinking he would have made a difference in that Chelsea game, he disappears against Atletico consistently. He is more suited to an open game. Also not suited to a possession based game, he has the worst passing accuracy in Real Madrid's squad, i mean the entire squad, not just first team. Only the keepers have a worst passing percentage which is to be expected. He also cannot dribble out of a tight space. Its a no brainer. He would have been perfect for SAF's team, not this one.
I've watched him rip the heart out of Atetico twice when it mattered.
Di Maria hasn't performed in various positions - outwide, upfront or through the middle. I suspect his not getting picked was more because Van Gaal came across a team that was working well whilst he was banned. He then stuck with that side and Di Maria couldnt get in it because a) the side was playing well and b) he didnt look all that good when he came off the bench. He isnt going to crow bar a player in when the team is playing well but the fact is, had Di Maria been playing anywhere near the level he can he'd be a starter in the side. he was not bought to be benched - he just hasnt deserved a place.
Bale would represent a massive outlay on one player. Van Gaal now has his feet under the table and is clearly being backed to pursue targets he wants. He's the best person to decide who fits his system or his plan for the future - if he spends a fortune on Bale it follows that he feels there's a place for him here. He isn't going to buy a player he doesnt want and put himself under scrutiny and deal with all the shit that it brings. If he doesnt feel he will fit then we won't be interested in him. Its that simple.
When is the second time (I am assuming that the first is on UCL final, when anyway Di Maria - a player who looks ordinary, if not recently poor in our system - was easily the best player on the pitch)?
Was just about to edit that post.
Ok once.Even there he didn't exactly rip the heart out of Atletico considering that Di Maria, Modric and Ramos were all better, in a match when Atletico Madrid was 90 seconds away from winning.Was just about to edit that post.
If money isn't a problem it wouldn't be a bad buy, but van Gaal has only had 1 summer transfer window. He came in late, was still assessing players when the season started and will probably have alot of areas he wants to strenghten. I'm sure he will not buy Bale if he can't strenghten elsewhere because he cares more about the team than the individual. I don't believe for a second RM will sell him at a loss, they bought him for a record fee 2 years ago and he hasn't hit his peak yet and they're not a selling club. If they get banned from transfers they might even want a profit on him. We're rich, but that might be too much for us if we want more players.
If we get him I won't complain because he'd see something in him, but I personally doubt van Gaal wants him. He's changed formation, but never his playstyle - we will play 433 with possesion next season. I just have reservations breaking the transfer record for a player which isn't really fully suited for what we need.
lol who decides what matters and what doesn't? And no Bale has never ever been in a position to rip Atletico's heart out. That is just wishful thinking. It might happen like once every 15 games that he might trouble Atletico, never mind rip their heart out. Those are massive odds.
He scored the goal that did the damage. After that the floodgates opened. Not saying he was the best player on the pitch, I said he ripped their hearts out, which he did.
I suppose making it 2-1 in the CL final matters, no?
Of course. I also think that he played quite good. But he didn't rip the heart of Atletico more than for example Ramos. He scored a header after someone missed, but not exactly dominating them.
Anyway, I find pointless to take Atletico matches as matches when Bale was stopped. Ronaldo who is twice the player has suffered even more in those matches.
Agree with that.
That's not ripping their heart out. There were better players then him in that game. Also Ateltico were dead tired by then while Real Madrid had rested their players for that game, Atletico were not in such a position as they had to fight till the very end in La Liga.
Regardless, i have watched about 8 Madrid derbies since then and Bale has been hopeless in every one of them which suggests him doing well against Atletico is more of an anomaly.
Fair enough. I somewhat feel him scoring that goal was the difference and ultimately led to the floodgates opening. Which to me suggested it was that goal by Bale that made their heads sink. It's just one goal like you say though.
Ill give him credit for that goal. Im not trying to put him down. I think he's a world class player. Just saying that he wouldn't make much of a difference against teams that park the bus. And his style is also not suited to a possession based team. Its just a matter of styles. For what its worth Ronaldo has looked equally as bad, if not more against Atletico.
Tbf none of our team atm know what to do when teams park the bus. I think that's something for the manager to figure out.
Personally i think the only way to win against a team who is good at parking the bus is to take every little chances and half chances. No room for errors. You will get very few opportunities. We have seen Chelsea vs Barcelona, Sanchez hit the post early on, Messi hit the post as well and then missed a penalty. Next thing you know Barcelona are out. I think its all about converting your chances.
gah. if i hear this one more time as a reason for not buying him.. its a load of codswollop. Go check the range of goals he scored for Spurs in his last season, pretty sure that not all of those games were 'open' games.
there is no magic player who is magically going to open up every team. Even Messi and Ronaldo struggle sometimes against some teams. Thats why its a team game.
If we sat down and thought, 'better not sign these players in case a few teams next season are hard to break down..' we'd never sign anyone. its a complete nonsense train of thought.
As i said, that was a response to people who said he would have made a difference against Chelsea. I highly doubt that. My reason for not wanting him is that he doesn't suit LVG's possession based game. I wouldn't mind him but he should be down on the priority list.
he may have made a difference against Chelsea or the other 2 subsequent matches. a long range shot, a better corner kick, a free kick perhaps. Who knows?
May have? Sure i agree, who knows. But history suggests otherwise. Basically its the same odds as Rooney or Mata scoring. And they didn't. So its more likely he wouldn't have. Now if he had scored 4 long range screamers in 10 games against Atletico id say he might have made a difference, but records suggest he most likely wouldn't have.
Thank you. I'm pretty sure that in his final season at Tottenham he scored a similar number of headers to all of our strikers combined this season.
He scored a range of goals. I'm pretty sure his famed long-range shots didn't come from one-on-one situations either.
I can also remember Tottenham playing tedious, possession football, to the extent their fans were getting frustrated.
The nature of this league is that there is almost also space to exploit during 90 minutes - whether in behind the defence, or on some sort of counter attack with some space to dribble into.
If van Gaal's team literally cannot create situations where there's ever space in front of the ball to exploit, then that's a fault, not a positive.
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It wasn't that long ago when apparently you just had to show Bale onto his right foot as well. "Double up on his left side!"
*Watches video of 31 Tottenham goals. Immediately notes that 4 out of first 10 are right-footed. One is a header. Three of the five left-footed goals are set pieces.
Yet you'll have people linking Di Maria's failings to Bale. Di Maria who genuinely can't kick straight with his right foot.
*Watches video of 31 Tottenham goals. Immediately notes that 4 out of first 10 are right-footed. One is a header. Three of the five left-footed goals are set pieces.
Yet you'll have people linking Di Maria's failings to Bale. Di Maria who genuinely can't kick straight with his right foot.
I'm not Bale's biggest fan but some seem to have a real agenda against him, like they are afraid he'll displace Mata or prevent Depay signing, as if somehow that would make us weaker. We desperately lack pace, power and an extra goal threat up top, Bale adds all of those things.
Who here has an anti Bale agenda ? I would welcome us signing him as long as it doesn't undercut our ability to sign a few others players (ie, we shouldn't pay 100m for him).
Just read some of the posts in here, they are so over the top in trying to point out how he isn't really very good and wouldn't suit us, like he is purely a kick and run player. I also get the impression that whatever he may cost wont affect the other transfer dealings, the club want not only a top bracket player but a marquee splash as well.
It's a matter of opinion but there seems to be a lot of noise around this for a player the manager doesnt want. Time will tell I suppose.
I personally don't see that playing "possession" football precludes having a player like Bale in the side. If anything we need something more than a collection of similar players passing the ball between themselves in front of the opposition back four with little end product. I think we lack a bit of directness and I hope that's an are he's going to address.
We havent had a player in a while who you can give the ball to and watch things happen. I'd like us to have that.
Bingo. He offers something we dont have. And desperately need imho
plus hes the natural successor to Giggs
His number is already taken.
Shame it didn't happen the first time around.
Poor Adan going to be disappointed when he has to give it up then.
The way to beat teams who park the bus is to rip into them from the start. Don't give the defenders time to settle and hit balls over the top of them. Don't piss around for 30 minutes playing side-to-side stuff. Force the opposing manager to change his tactics on the fly. We used to play like this not too long ago. Remember when Kanchelskis and Giggs would torment defenders, or when Beckham, Scholes, and Giggs gave the opposition no time to think or get organised? We always had that bit more going forward and, what's more we could play this was for the full 90 more often than not.
Urgh if Chelsea got Bale...
Looking at our squad, I can't say we have a player who is a "real athlete" or has an athletic physique. Of course this is meaningless in football as their isn't that many footballers that can be described as that, but nevertheless it would be great to have a true athlete in our squad if we do get him.
Perhaps, Valencia can be described as an athlete in my sense of this terminology, but he is one dimensional and predictable, so that is meaningless in regards to loss potential.
Perhaps, Valencia can be described as an athlete in my sense of this terminology, but he is one dimensional and predictable, so that is meaningless in regards to loss potential.
I highly doubt that Bale is going to leave Real this summer. We should focus on signing Depay and spread the rest of the money about for a quality RB, CB, CDM and CM.
Cannot believe that people would really turn down Bale if United had the chance to sign him. The team has struggled most of the season trying to get behind the opposition defense, this is what Bale does. He also is a goal scorer and a threat from long range, something we severely lack. Bale and Depay on the wings with another striker will take care of our goal scoring, what we need is midfielders who can supply the ammunition. People were turning their up their nose when Sanchez was linked to United, now just watch what he has been doing at Arsenal.
Can't blame him for wanting the move to Spain, but every time I watch him it just seems like he's doing himself no favours by playing for Madrid.
To go from being the main man to playing alongside someone like Ronaldo... You can tell he's completely out of place.
Whether it's Chelsea or United, he'd be much more of the main man again. That plus being in the Premier League would see him return to the Bale of 2012/13. Some players just need that added freedom, and he's one of them. Might as well swap Di Maria and Bale, to be honest. It would be doing both of them (and their teams) a favour.
To go from being the main man to playing alongside someone like Ronaldo... You can tell he's completely out of place.
Whether it's Chelsea or United, he'd be much more of the main man again. That plus being in the Premier League would see him return to the Bale of 2012/13. Some players just need that added freedom, and he's one of them. Might as well swap Di Maria and Bale, to be honest. It would be doing both of them (and their teams) a favour.
Do people seriously want to spend £100 odd million on Bale?
Everytime I see him at Madrid, he looks a good level or two below the technical level of every other attacking player. Its all good and well saying how well he was for Spurs, but if he can't cut it at the top level with Madrid, why should be want him? Unless we're basically admitting we can't get the top level players, and are going to pay a premium for the players a level or two below? (Which is basically what we're doing atm anyway)
Everytime I see him at Madrid, he looks a good level or two below the technical level of every other attacking player. Its all good and well saying how well he was for Spurs, but if he can't cut it at the top level with Madrid, why should be want him? Unless we're basically admitting we can't get the top level players, and are going to pay a premium for the players a level or two below? (Which is basically what we're doing atm anyway)
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