Where did £100 million come from?
Gareth Bale
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I said 100 million odd...I've seen quotes ranging anything from 80-130 million
he would but he has to fuctio more as part of a team then he has at madrid, it cant be ten men and bale
He's playing up top out of position. Every time i see Madrid I think they're doing him no favours.
Yep.
That's because he is a good level or two below the technical level of every other player. He's a level or two above most of them athletically though which can be important too. Still I'd dread us spunking anything like £100 million on him. Hopefully half that figure at most. As much as people say that price tags shouldn't matter, we can't continue to have expensive mistakes in the transfer market if we want to get back to the top.
exactly!!!!! Remove the freak-like genetic advantage of his physical traits and his footballing intelligence, technical ability and decision making are a notch below his colleagues.
It's not the missing out on players that's worrying me, it's signing the wrong players for a massive wedge. I don't know which is more destructive to the team.
He's not going to age well, thats for sure.
He is today. He's played most of the season out wide and he's been utter shite.
We'd be bidding against ourselves if our opening offer was £100M. Real do not have much of a market to sell him in this FFP regulated climate. Only PSG don't give a feck and he won't go there if United was the other option.
But he would come back to the prem and score 30-40 goals!!! Something he's never done.
Today definitely isn't the day to judge him. Juventus' strengths lie in the middle of the park so a bit silly to play Bale there. Should have Bale in behind Evra, pegging him back and pulling out the LCB of Juventus.
When you play for a team like Madrid or Barcelona with lots of other great players, you have to make sacrifices unless you are Ronaldo or Messi. He's hardly going to have the team built around him like he did at Spurs. Suarez has had to make lots of sacrifices for his team this season and his been used as a decoy to draw markers away from Messi and Neymar and he is doing pretty well and there have been other players at Madrid and Barcelona who have had to play out of position, work hard and sacrifice themselves for the team who have done well also (Isco, James, Di Maria last year in midfield, Benzema who plays in his position but has to do a lot of work in terms of dropping deep to link with others as well as defensive work and there have been other players also).
What about the season? Where he's been mostly average with some goals covering up bad performances.
So still doing better than any attacking player we currently have?
Unfair to compare his situation to that of Suarez. Not only do Barcelona have a recent tradition of playing as a team, but Messi is a much better player to bounce off.
Not that Bale would be playing like Suarez in that Barcelona attack, but it's a different situation. Other than Benzema, the other guys you mention for Madrid are all midfielders and not attackers.
Plus Bale needs to be played into space to be effective, he needs to drift to create that space the same way Ronaldo does.
As Neville said, Ronaldo will probe the entire back 4 looking for weakness. If he's having to luck on the left, he would drift inside. No luck inside and he would drift towards the right back.
It's no good the fullback running ahead of Bale and occupying the space, no point in Ronaldo drifting out and making it more congested.
Di Maria used to be great for Bale, He'd drift out and stretch the play and let Bale have a free type of role. Kross and James don't do that.
It isn't unfair. Bale plays the majority of his games on the wing and gets plenty of space created for him and gets the ball played to him in dangerous areas lots of times. The main sacrifice he has to make is not receiving the ball as much as he would like as Ronaldo is the player who receives it the most. It is not like he tracks back much like lots of the other players, including Benzema have to. Despite all that, it just hasn't happened for Bale this season after having an impressive first season. The point about Suarez was that he is not playing with the freedom he had at Liverpool and he has had to make sacrifices, yet is still thriving. Maybe Bale does not have Messi to bounce off, but Benzema is not a bad player to bounce off too. There is no reason that Bale should not be doing better also. He showed that he could do it last year.
I do not see what the other players not being attacker has to do with anything. The point is that they are not being played in their best position and have had to make sacrifices for the team. James has had to play much deeper than he does for Columbia and he has spoken about that in many interviews and about how he has had to adapt to his deeper role. Isco is an AM who has had to play deeper this season also. He couldn't quite adapt to the position last year and he lost his place but this season he has adapted to his role and has been excellent. Di Maria's main position is as a winger but he showed his versatility by playing as a CM last season. Bales poor season this year is on him, not the team. He showed he could play well last season when being used similarly so I do not see why he should not be able to do so this season.
Without space to run into, he has nothing.
Even with space, he doesn't seem to be able to run past Evra this match. Eva has been solid to the point that I seriously miss him at United.
Madrid sign him for €91m when he's rated as possibly the best in the PL, he goes on to have a largely underwhelming time there (possibly harsh, but he's not been great) and we're apparently looking to hand them a near 50% profit on the fee?
I'm normal on the side of "who cares what a player costs" but that's just frigging stupid.
I'm normal on the side of "who cares what a player costs" but that's just frigging stupid.
Money being quoted about I rather make a bid for Reus.
Don't know why people think he'd solve our problems in attack. He wouldn't, when it comes to teams parking the bus.
Don't know why people think he'd solve our problems in attack. He wouldn't, when it comes to teams parking the bus.
So all you guys are saying is that he needs to played in an absurdly specific scenario, with other players playing a certain way for him to play well.
Well.. that just means he is not that great.
Well.. that just means he is not that great.
Not the man to crack the 'park the bus' dilemma. One paced counter goon.
I like bale a lot but he is not worth 100m. He had his chance and he can dig it out on the bench in Madrid for all I care. Spend the 100m on depay and pogba.
Exactly could get two or three quality players for that fee.
Again, Suarez' situation is not at all similar. Playing in a fluid front three with Messi is nothing like playing in a more rigid forward line with Ronaldo. Suarez might not be the 'go to' pass like he was at Liverpool, but Neymar and Messi, in particular, are certainly team players. The 'sacrifices' for Suarez are minimal, to be honest. He's not playing with a Ronaldo-type, who'll openly scowl at him for daring to miss. It's not a million miles away from his Liverpool set up.
Well, quite clearly not being an attacker makes a difference. Isco is essentially playing an extension of his usual role. Di Maria isn't/wasn;t ever a goal-scoring match-winner. It's not a sacrifice in the same sense. Again, he was doing the support role he's always done. I didn't watch much of Rodriguez at all in France, so I have no idea how things have changed.
Bale isn't blame free, but he's extremely similar to Ronaldo in style, and Ronaldo is not only top dog, but he's not a team player whatsoever.
It's a complete miss-match of styles - much like Di Maria at United. Like I said earlier, they're better off doing themselves a favour and swapping clubs.
For me, it seems quite clear that back in this league, being more of the main man, Bale would look the player he did at Tottenham.
Good god, he hasn't been great recently (let's not forget he isn't long back from injury) and people talk about him like he's Obertan. Ronaldo was shit tonight as well is he nothing unless he has space to run into?
Bale is definitely not worth 100m but he is a player who can single handedly win games for us in the manner that Hazard does for Chelsea or Sanchez does for Arsenal. If a player of his caliber is available we should go for him while not neglecting other targets in the process.
In simple terms, yes.
I really don't understand how people think Bale would help us in our current predicament.
In a classic Fergie team, yes sure why not. But in this LVG 60% possession, other team park the buss scenario, whats he going to do?
Hazard and Sanchez can beat players for fun with skill/dribbling. Bale can't.
We should be looking to pay £50m for Bale this summer, that is what Madrid should have paid for him, he is a great player in the wrong team - never really understood the move to Madrid...he needs to come home and become the main man in a team like United.
Didn't even realize he was playing. He's almost as bad as Valencia when not given space.
I always thought that he's bad when not allowed space to run into.
I always thought that he's bad when not allowed space to run into.
Gah dammit. Beat me to it.
Depay would be a much cheaper and smarter signing.
Wish we'd stop faffing about and get that one done.
Wish we'd stop faffing about and get that one done.
Hazard for me is miles better than Bale.
Sanchez cost like £30m. We looking at double for that for somebody who is out of form. Like someone said ridiculous we should overpay.
His car is definitely getting egged tonight.
Keane ripping Bale. Saying it's for Madrid to win with 10 men.God is he having a wank season
Hope we are not in for him. At least not for the money mentioned
Hope we are not in for him. At least not for the money mentioned
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