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Sheldon69 said:
I would presume valdes
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So would I, but to go from one of the best keepers in the world to a player who hasn't played a competitive game in over a year is quite a risk.

NoWinNoFee said:
A goalkeeper is a goalkeeper at the end of the day, as a long as you've got a relatively experienced goalkeeper and not a clown who's error prone its the least important area on the pitch, put it this way, if someone wants to swap one of the best outfielders in the world for a goalkeeper, you do it.

Also good as De Gea's potential is, he's been a little over hyped these past 2 months or so.
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Have the days of Barthez slipped your mind? He was rated as one of the best, yet he comes here and was a disaster.

Bale is one of the best wingers yes, but we're not even playing with wingers in van Gaal's system, plus there is a certain player in Germany who is available for one fifth of Bales price, and is someone who can make as much of an impact. To replace de Gea is not as easy as you so make it out to be. PLus, have you seen the amount of attacking players we have? Why blow a vast chunk of money on what is probably our strongest area?
 
NoWinNoFee said:
Don't know why people are so against De Gea going the other way if it means us getting Bale.

De Gea is not irreplaceable & Bale has potential to do Ronaldo shit for us in the PL, the kind of stuff he was doing for Spurs was something the PL hasn't seen since Ronaldo left England.

Personally i woudn't like De Gea to leave, if it was possible United could sign Bale, i'd rather we do it with cash.

But any player exchange deal involving De Gea wouldn't make us weaker, it would make us stronger.
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NoWinNoFee said:
A goalkeeper is a goalkeeper at the end of the day, as a long as you've got a relatively experienced goalkeeper and not a clown who's error prone its the least important area on the pitch, put it this way, if someone wants to swap one of the best outfielders in the world for a goalkeeper, you do it.

Also good as De Gea's potential is, he's been a little over hyped these past 2 months or so.
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Hilarious posts.
 
All this de Gea to Madrid stuff makes me laugh. There has been no interest signalled whatsoever, it is entirely made up by the newspapers who think 33 year old Casillas is at the end of his career.

It's bullshit. Someone find me a quote or something concrete which suggests de Gea would be interested in playing for his boyhood team's biggest rival, or that Madrid are interested in signing him.
 
Red Shorts said:
Have the days of Barthez slipped your mind?
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Well that's why i said as long as you don't have a clown in the net, but my point remains, we had a clown in the net and we was still successful, De Gea in his first 2 seasons, inconstancy/error prone, yet as a team we was still successful.

De Gea fairly reliable goalkeeper now, but as a team missed out on the Champions League last season and still struggling now to where Manchester United should be, hence goalkeeper is the least important area of the pitch, see Madrid with their clown, last season they played the 2nd half of the season with their sub and won the Champions League.

I wouldn't even say Valdes is a great goalkeeper, fairly reliable but that's all you need and look how successful his Barcelona team were.
 
united_99 said:
Because I rate DDG very highly and wouldn't want to swap him for anyone in the world, let alone for Bale.
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Your post suggested you didn't want him at all, not just that you didn't want him if it meant losing De Gea.
 
senorgregster said:
Fair enough. I think we are almost on the same page but I believe we need superior defenders and most importantly a keeper to the likes of Madrid etc to compete with them and also do well in the league. Letting go of someone who could be top 3 in the world for the next 8 plus years is a step back. I think keepers are far harder to replace than outfielders where you have many options including different formations.
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Nobody wants to see a quality player move on at any stage. The fact is here he could (like most Spanish players) be tempted at some stage to go home anyway and to get a world class player in might be sensible.

I guess we'll see. I think that the signing of Valdes suggests the club may be open to a deal - especially if another contract isn't received soon.
 
NoWinNoFee said:
Well that's why i said as long as you don't have a clown in the net, but my point remains, we had a clown in the net and we was still successful, De Gea in his first 2 seasons, inconstancy/error prone, yet as a team we was still successful.

De Gea fairly reliable goalkeeper now, but as a team missed out on the Champions League last season and still struggling now to where Manchester United should be, hence goalkeeper is the least important area of the pitch, see Madrid with their clown, last season they played the 2nd half of the season with their sub and won the Champions League.

I wouldn't even say Valdes is a great goalkeeper, fairly reliable but that's all you need and look how successful his Barcelona team were.
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The hype may have gone into overdrive but I feel you are underplaying his importance somewhat. Would hate to see DDG being part of the deal. Why let Real fleece us yet again.
 
RedRover said:
Your post suggested you didn't want him at all, not just that you didn't want him if it meant losing De Gea.
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Both. We would need to pay around 100 mil and we already have enough attacking players. Plus he is not really injury free. And despite some United fans thinking (and tbf I can't blame them when both Moyes and LvG as well as Woodward tell/told the world how much money we have) that United nowadays find money for free on the trees, I highly doubt that's the case. There is a limit, even for us and if we are not careful we'll regret it sooner rather than later. Bale simply is not worth the money and a swap deal with DDG to reduce the fee is a no go as far as I am concerned.
 
NoWinNoFee said:
A goalkeeper is a goalkeeper at the end of the day, as a long as you've got a relatively experienced goalkeeper and not a clown who's error prone its the least important area on the pitch, put it this way, if someone wants to swap one of the best outfielders in the world for a goalkeeper, you do it.

Also good as De Gea's potential is, he's been a little over hyped these past 2 months or so.
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That's crazy talk. Least important? I'd argue it's one of the most important. Those extra saves increase the chances of winning unwinnable games and trophies. It's not by chance our greatest success under SAF has been when we had two of world's greats in goal. I see you mention Casillas in a later post... I'd say Real won in spite of him.
 
Jippy said:
The hype may have gone into overdrive but I feel you are underplaying his importance somewhat. Would hate to see DDG being part of the deal. Why let Real fleece us yet again.
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As said i wouldn't like it, but as said, 1 of the best outfielders players for a goalkeeper (no matter how good they are) you do it.

Madrid wouldn't be fleecing us at all as the deal would be done on our terms, put it this way Gareth Bale on the pitch and someone like Valdes in the net, United would be a lot stronger than what they are now.

And before someone else quotes half of my post - Once again, if possible i would like to do the Bale deal cash only but if United think sticking De Gea in there and £30m-£50m will tempt Madrid more so than £80m-£100m, nice one, do it.
 
I think de Gea would earn us just as many points over the course of a season as Bale. So imo they would be worth a similar amount to us.
 
The Don said:
He'd earn more. I've said it before, De Gea is a better keeper than Bale is an outfield player.
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No he isn't, Bale left the Premier League as the best player in the league, De Gea isn't even the best goalkeeper in the Premier League.
 
The Don said:
Yes, yes he is. He's outperformed every other keeper by some distance.
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See De Gea thread from earlier in the season, full of people criticizing his performances, he put in a few world class performances November/December, that's it. He wasn't even that great last season.

Courtois is by far the best goalkeeper in the league and then it's between De Gea/Cech and Lloris.
 
united_99 said:
Both. We would need to pay around 100 mil and we already have enough attacking players. Plus he is not really injury free. And despite some United fans thinking (and tbf I can't blame them when both Moyes and LvG as well as Woodward tell/told the world how much money we have) that United nowadays find money for free on the trees, I highly doubt that's the case. There is a limit, even for us and if we are not careful we'll regret it sooner rather than later. Bale simply is not worth the money and a swap deal with DDG to reduce the fee is a no go as far as I am concerned.
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I disagree. Bale is a quality player and could be a superstar for United. Any team would love to have him and quality costs.

Obviously nobody wants to lose De Gea but there's a chance he wants this move back to Spain anyway. You could see why he would. He might not get this chance again.
 
The Don said:
He'd earn more. I've said it before, De Gea is a better keeper than Bale is an outfield player.
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No way, go watch bale's last season in the premier league there's a video on youtube someone made showing every single one of his goals. He won spurs tons of points that year all on his own.

A keeper isn't as important as an attacking outfield player, Keepers are easily replaced, hell Germany are rolling out a good few young talented keepers right now.
 
The Don said:
He'd earn more. I've said it before, De Gea is a better keeper than Bale is an outfield player.
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So for you if Bayern had a choice to make between Ribery and Neuer in their prime they would choose Neuer ?

The reality is that, you can have a great team without the best goalkeeper, but you can't have a great team without special outfield players, Bale is one of them.
No matter if De Gea stays or not we will concede less opportunities when our defense will be fixed, and when our defense will be okay, De Gea won't be as crucial as he is right know.
But players like Bale, Reus, Rooney, Muller who provide a lot of goals and assists are the real invaluable players for a team.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
No way, go watch bale's last season in the premier league there's a video on youtube someone made showing every single one of his goals. He won spurs tons of points that year all on his own.

A keeper isn't as important as an attacking outfield player, Keepers are easily replaced, hell Germany are rolling out a good few young talented keepers right now.
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Name some keepers you would be OK with that we can obtain and explain how they'd fair better than Howard, Barthez, Taibi, Goram, Ricardo, Bosnich, Carroll, Lindegaard, etc. Fact is, even SAF has had a horrible time replacing keepers.
 
senorgregster said:
Name some keepers you would be OK with that we can obtain and explain how they'd fair better than Howard, Barthez, Taibi, Goram, Ricardo, Bosnich, Carroll, Lindegaard, etc. Fact is, even SAF has had a horrible time replacing keepers.
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Sign Begovic, he will be fine.
 
senorgregster said:
Name some keepers you would be OK with that we can obtain and explain how they'd fair better than Howard, Barthez, Taibi, Goram, Ricardo, Bosnich, Carroll, Lindegaard, etc. Fact is, even SAF has had a horrible time replacing keepers.
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Worst case scenario DDG leaves...(god help us), then i would opt for Lloris. Tottenham simply doesn't have the power to hold on to him if serious offers come. On the other hand, an inform Valdes (his last year at barca) was simply brilliant and for me, he was worlds second best GK at that moment.
 
DWelbz19 said:
:lol: Is this a serious post?
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Not really, but when i think about it, he'll be fine.

But seriously, Handanovic, Scuffet, Lloris, Navas(maybe), there is a couple of young promising players in Bundesliga.
I still like Zieler or Ruffier could be a good goalkeeper in the PL.
 
You don't find a great keeper then move him on in a couple of years. Imagine selling Schmeichel just before he peaked?

Nuts.
 
Spoony said:
You don't find a great keeper then move him on in a couple of years. Imagine selling Schmeichel just before he peaked?

Nuts.
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When the said goalkeeper tells you that he intends to join Real Madrid on a free, you sell him.(hypothetical)
If he doesn't want to go, then you are right you keep him.
 
Rezyuz said:
Worst case scenario DDG leaves...(god help us), then i would opt for Lloris. Tottenham simply doesn't have the power to hold on to him if serious offers come. On the other hand, an inform Valdes (his last year at barca) was simply brilliant and for me, he was worlds second best GK at that moment.
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If the numbers being thrown around are real we'd be looking at Bale plus Lloris for de Gea plus 50M plus what for Lloris? 30M? So a step down in keeper, albeit smaller than with other keepers, 4 fewer years of service (age difference) and 80M.
 
JPRouve said:
When the said goalkeeper tells you that he intends to join Real Madrid on a free, you sell him.(hypothetical)
If he doesn't want to go, then you are right you keep him.
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Totally agree. If those in power know he wants out soonish and there's little chance of changing his mind, then I say go for something like the Bale/Lloris scenario.
 
JPRouve said:
When the said goalkeeper tells you that he intends to join Real Madrid on a free, you sell him.(hypothetical)
If he doesn't want to go, then you are right you keep him.
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Was about to make this point. If De Gea expresses a desire to leave, then what.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It wouldn't, for same reason that your screwed-up transfer policy of recent windows has seen you drop out of the top 4 and now be stuck in a very tight struggle to get back in this season despite spending vast amounts of money, namely that it focuses on the wrong areas of the pitch/team.

It's your defence and CM that remains most in need of improvement (not adding more and more attacking players) ... selling De Gea will only weaken your defence further because you won't be able to get/sign an equally good replacement.
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We need a wide player with pace. Now I hope there's nothing to the Bale story but hey, if it involves De Gea we can always price Lloris away from WHL.
 
Red Katie said:
We need a wide player with pace. Now I hope there's nothing to the Bale story but hey, if it involves De Gea we can always price Lloris away from WHL.
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I'm afraid not. Levy decided after the Berbatov saga that he'd never sell another player (that he didn't want to let go) to another Prem rival. This why Modric and Bale were sold abroad, despite big offers for both of them domestically.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm afraid not. Levy decided after the Berbatov saga that he'd never sell another player (that he didn't want to let go) to another Prem rival. This why Modric and Bale were sold abroad, despite big offers for both of them domestically.
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I thought Man Utd's offer for Bale was accepted, and that it was the player that chose Madrid?
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm afraid not. Levy decided after the Berbatov saga that he'd never sell another player (that he didn't want to let go) to another Prem rival. This why Modric and Bale were sold abroad, despite big offers for both of them domestically.
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Maybe Lloris will to Madrid then..
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm afraid not. Levy decided after the Berbatov saga that he'd never sell another player (that he didn't want to let go) to another Prem rival. This why Modric and Bale were sold abroad, despite big offers for both of them domestically.
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I think that was more to do with personal choice with the players, rather than Levy not willing to sell.
 
Kentonio said:
I thought Man Utd's offer for Bale was accepted, and that it was the player that chose Madrid?
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Yup, it was an accepted undisclosed offer from a PL club. If i'm not mistaken Levy said that he was willing to accept the same amount proposed by Real Madrid but in Pounds instead of Euros.
 
JPRouve said:
Yup, it was an accepted undisclosed offer from a PL club. If i'm not mistaken Levy said that he was willing to accept the same amount proposed by Real Madrid but in Pounds instead of Euros.
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First I've heard of this. Thought Levy didn't want to sell to a P.L club, as Glaston said above.
 
NoWinNoFee said:
put it this way Gareth Bale on the pitch and someone like Valdes in the net, United would be a lot stronger than what they are now.
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This is correct.

Taking off my sentimental hat for one moment, I don't think it's even a close decision when you have a keeper of Valdes' quality ready to step in. The step up in quality Bale would give is monumental compared to the dross we're usually served up.
 
Kentonio said:
I thought Man Utd's offer for Bale was accepted, and that it was the player that chose Madrid?
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That's what I thought too. We'd offered and had a bid accepted for a slightly higher amount, but Bale already had a villa in Madrid and was set on playing for Madrid.
 
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