It's not really about opinions here. It's just that the history thought us that there are Perez transfers and the transfer that were done when Perez was/is the president. Unfortunately, it can be two completely different things although it shouldn't. I think @amolbhatia50k reacted to your post for exactly the same reason I did, and he's not even Madrid fan.
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It's not really about opinions here. It's just that the history thought us that there are Perez transfers and the transfer that were done when Perez was/is the president. Unfortunately, it can be two completely different things although it shouldn't. I think @amolbhatia50k reacted to your post for exactly the same reason I did, and he's not even Madrid fan.
Not conceding many chances doesn't make you a defensive team, let alone ultra defensive one. It makes you a defensively very organized side which we currently are. Difference to Fulham game is we actually tried differeng things to score a goal, unlike Fulham game in which we just aimlessly crossed the ball in the box.
Sorry i'm not sure what relevance that fulham game has to whats being discussed here, we weren't defensive in that game either. Why was it even brought up?.
So being good defensively is the same as playing defensive now?
Our defence is playing very well and our attack isn't, we are also coming up against teams who are getting 10 men behind the ball, so it's no surprise we are not conceding while having problem scoring ourselves.
Sorry i'm not sure how anyone who has watched football for any amount of time could watch us on saturday and think we play ultra defensive football.
Well i'm sure it's a very interesting topic for some, that could be discussed at great lengths but i honestly don't care enough to discuss it any further.
For me Perez negotiated with United for Ronaldo and was president when he signed for Real, those are the facts we have to work with anything beyond that is speculation and open to interpretation.
Its odd that he doesn't seem to think he has enough options but then doesn't seem in a rush to do anything about it.
His major weapon seems to be to bring Fellaini off the bench and start slinging the ball into the box - another thing (and again, arguably rightly) Moyes got derided for.
I worry about Van Gaal. This lack of transparency is a concern. I don't know what his "philosophy" is. He's either doing something incredibly clever abd I can't see it, or what I see is actually happening - i.e. persisting with possession based football with little cutting edge and no pace to how we move the ball - and then playing a glorified long ball game if that doesn't come off. Its not all that clever and its very predictable.
Thins should hopefully improve - but frankly, if they don't questions should be asked. He's got a very good record but sometimes managers ideas just get old and they turn a corner. Hopefully this isn't the case here.
In fact not being defensive cost us that game.
Is this the Bale thread?
They're defensive players - Scheniderlin is that kind of player and Schweinsteiger at his age and in his at least current physical condition isn't going to be up and down all game.
Playing two players like that leaves a big gap between midfield and attack with nobody to bridge it. I don't understand why when the side we're up against will put men behind the ball and defend for most of the game, we need that. It's almost as if he doesn't trust the back 4.
I actually sort of agree that we should have started Herrera but they didn't both sit in front of the defence though, more importantly in all our games this season we have been the more aggressive team and attacked for the majority of the games. So we are in no way a defensive side.
Its not about whether you attack - what else are you going to do if you're a big side? Its about how you set up. I don't think its unreasonable to suggest that we set up overly cautiously against Newcastle with those two players in midfield, when we have a more attacking player in Herrera who is more than capable of linking midfield and attack.
Having Herrera in there makes us better going forward, and frankly no less solid in defence - especially against an average mid table side at home who shouldn't cause that many problems and who we should be able to defend against.
Listen i already said i think we should play Herrera also, but on saturday Schweinsteiger was getting about the pitch so we didn't actually play two defensive midfielders.
And saying we might set up cautiously while i don't necessarily agree is a long away from the comment earlier in the thread that LVG has us playing an ''Ultra defensive system'' which started this line of discussion(a comment which the poster won't justify with an explanation btw). Saying we are an ultra defensive team is utter nonsense, i have yet to see LVG send United out to do anything other than attack.
if he does leave madrid within the next two years,can see him going to Chelsea with him lived in the city previously and less restrictive ffp
Just gave his first full interview in Spanish. He's going nowhere
A counterweight for Eden Hazard going the other way perhaps?
That could happen..if he does not perform this season again, with Hazard improving, maybe Madrid may develop a sudden interest...
What did you expect?
a little better as he's lived in Spain for two years now!
I know a lot of people who've lived in America for over a decade and still speak English like they just moved here yesterday. At least the guy is trying. Are you bilingual out of curiosity?
I have always been very impressed by people who master another language, it must be difficult to do.
Polyglot!
You're exceptional, most of us are not. I can speak 3 languages
So you're a polygot too. Learning a language is one thing being very poor at a language despite living in a country and having a personal tutor is another. He's an exceptional athlete so he gets a pass I suppose.
I clicked on this thread to read about Bale and and yet found myself reading about our defensive organisation for almost two pages. Amazing.
so Balague is saying we were ready to pay an amount that would of been crazy for Bale, but quickly learned he isnt going anywhere. Guess we are getting him next season then. There is no way in a million years he is staying longer after another season of Madrid disappointment under Rafa along with the obvious Boo's and hate from their fans towards him when he is inevitably used as the scapegoat for their failure yet again.
And his age next year, on the back of 2 likely poor seasons by his standards, could be very risky for us. Not sure If I would want him next year.
And his age next year, on the back of 2 likely poor seasons by his standards, could be very risky for us. Not sure If I would want him next year.
If he has another poor season, surely his price will go down, though. I mean, Di Maria had one poor season for us and we lost like 10-15M on him. Despite Bale having a bad season at Madrid, apparently he's supposed to be worth more.
Most british expats in my town don't speak any Swedish despite living here for many years. Not so important to learn Swedish perhaps but I'm curious how one can avoid picking it up.
madrid dont have to use common sense haha. You would think he would be worth less. Hell every club would be resigned to taking a loss on a player in those circumstances. Yet I bet Madrid are able to sell for at least what he cost them.If he has another poor season, surely his price will go down, though. I mean, Di Maria had one poor season for us and we lost like 10-15M on him. Despite Bale having a bad season at Madrid, apparently he's supposed to be worth more.
I can easily see Rafa getting fired if Bale plays poorly yet again..Perez wont let Bale go after two seasons..Perez made comments about realizing that Ancelotti had to go when he substituted Bale ..Bale has supporters in high places and wants to stay at Madrid too
The question really is; which year do we go all out? Our first season was to get back to the top 4. Now on our second we want to see an improvement ofcourse but some fans who wants us to fight hammer and nail for the title this soon in to a rebuilding project isn't thinking straight. A player of bale capacity has to be done as the final piece of the puzzle.
I understand that someone like griezmann might be a special player but a welsh player like bale not at United? That's just wrong no matter the price and van gaal is a manager who will respect that.
I can easily see Rafa getting fired if Bale plays poorly yet again..Perez wont let Bale go after two seasons..Perez made comments about realizing that Ancelotti had to go when he substituted Bale ..Bale has supporters in high places and wants to stay at Madrid too
No no, he's just getting ready to join us, as we have a large Spanish contingent, it's important!
... about as much of a chance as us sgning Messi this summer.
Interestingly enough; i dont think messi will retire at barcelona either. Wonder where he would go to other than maybe PSG.
Back to Argentina or perhaps do a US stint. Can't see him moving in Europe.
Maybe he´s too lazy or dumb to learn. I remember Bobby Robson in two years spoke better portuguese and our language is harder to learn.
Effectiveness is a weird word. Ronaldo might be scoring more goals than ever before; but there's a difference between scoring hattricks against sporting whoever and then actually being able to count upon at a time of need.
In that aspect i believe that ronaldo was a more effective player at united. In a same way, the day bale does move here; i expect him to be effective whether the goals are there or not. Bale is a better player than robben was when he left madrid & i dont see why he cant atleast have a similar progression to arjen robben if he did move here.
It's partly the freedom we allow our wingers that excites me about bale; it's literally the only position of the pitch where a player is allowed to torture the opponent over possesion tactics. Cut inside and shoot on your left foot bale would go amazingly with depay doing the same with his right.
Theres a big difference between playing in LM or RM than say RW + LW in terms of freedom allowed to exploit your ability. Let's see how he does at CF this season; since we could always use him there too.
In that aspect i believe that ronaldo was a more effective player at united. In a same way, the day bale does move here; i expect him to be effective whether the goals are there or not. Bale is a better player than robben was when he left madrid & i dont see why he cant atleast have a similar progression to arjen robben if he did move here.
It's partly the freedom we allow our wingers that excites me about bale; it's literally the only position of the pitch where a player is allowed to torture the opponent over possesion tactics. Cut inside and shoot on your left foot bale would go amazingly with depay doing the same with his right.
Theres a big difference between playing in LM or RM than say RW + LW in terms of freedom allowed to exploit your ability. Let's see how he does at CF this season; since we could always use him there too.
The fans boo everyone so he is no different than any other player. He will stay because Perez is a huge fan of him and he wants to stay himself. He doesn't want to join Manchester United. Or else this could be another Di Maria.
They are probably living with English speakers,handing around with English speakers,English is required with for the job.
You write this like United have a God given right to sign Gareth Bale. He doesn't want to sign for us! How many times has he rejected us now? Moyes confirmed that United prepared a 100M bid for him but he was deadset on Real Madrid. If Bale returns to England I see him moving to Chelsea in two or three seasons because I just feel he'll prefer a move back to London. Spurs won't be able to afford his wages. If not a return to the PL then probably a big money move to the MLS
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