Gareth Bale

Status
Not open for further replies.
carvajal said:
http://www.abc.es/realmadrid/noticias/20150802/abci-benitez-bale-201508011842.html
Abc wrote an article yesterday about Bale´s new position.
The article says that according to the board, last year Bale was a player wasted, because although many left footed play on the right by his characteristics he should exploit his speed. They consider that the goal he scored in la Copa del Rey final beating Bartra would have been impossible if he were playing on the right. They also write that last year he was playing out of place in the midfield and his performances depended mainly on the number of passes he received. Benitez went to see him when was in Wales this summer and asked him what position he believed would be better and Gareth replied "playmaker, behind the striker". Benitez apparently is planning a system that is not so strict tactically, in which both he and Cristiano positions can change during the game. According to the writer the experiment will be a success because now Bale participates in all actions of attack, besides Kroos, Modric, James and Isco have more passing options. I personally still doubt that it is the correct position, I think to play in that position the player has to be very good technically to play in tight spaces but if Rafa keeps with his idea then evidently Benzema will be disadvantaged
Click to expand...

So that's Benitez and LvG trying to play wingers as #10's this season, just over complicating things, especially as the #10 role is usually one of guile and close control, not power and pace.
 
Woodzy said:
It's a debate for the Rooney thread itself, but by the standards of Wayne Rooney he has been average. He made a great start to the Moyes season but he is nowhere near the standard we expect him to be.
Click to expand...

Some matches that's true, but to say he has been average for a few years is ridiculous. Come on, he has been our best player in plenty of games (and even our worst) but by no means can you say what you said
 
Devil may care said:
So that's Benitez and LvG trying to play wingers as #10's this season, just over complicating things, especially as the #10 role is usually one of guile and close control, not power and pace.
Click to expand...
What winger would play #10 with Van Gaal?do you mean in the current squad?
 
KingMinger22 said:
I think he is a great player. However, I think his ridiculous pace is too important to his game that you'd worry how he ages.
Click to expand...
If you are worried about a high profile transfer and the fee we might need to pay for him, I would go nowhere near him. You are the ultimate muppet on here when it comes to transfers ;)
 
Kevin said:
Just watched his top ten 'dribbles'.
Pushed the ball forward and ran around his man in 7 or 8 of them. The ultimate kick and rush merchant.

100 million pounds for this crap in a possession based van Gaal team... no thanks.
Click to expand...

I guess every player should try and beat their man like Messi - whether they are able to or not.
 
Kevin said:
Just watched his top ten 'dribbles'.
Pushed the ball forward and ran around his man in 7 or 8 of them. The ultimate kick and rush merchant.

100 million pounds for this crap in a possession based van Gaal team... no thanks.
Click to expand...
100 million is a lot of money for one player indeed, but one thing Bale is not; is crap.
 
I bet Giggs has been talking Bale up to LVG - probably sees a bit of himself in Gareth. He knows that Bale is the sort of player that the OT faithful would love.
 
Bale would be a fantastic player for us I think, but one thing that irks me, is that Real will use about half of the 100m to get Rues.
 
Summit said:
Bale would be a fantastic player for us I think, but one thing that irks me, us that Real will use about half of the 100m to get Rues.
Click to expand...

:lol: so true.

Anyway, I'm not convinced Bale will be coming anyway. He's a Perez signing and Perez will want to save face. He won't be leaving.
 
Devil may care said:
So that's Benitez and LvG trying to play wingers as #10's this season, just over complicating things, especially as the #10 role is usually one of guile and close control, not power and pace.
Click to expand...
Bale had his best season at Tottenham as a 10 did he not?. Sure he's not your conventional David silva/aimar type tiny playmaker, but his pace, strength and long range shooting more than makes up for the lack of assists. If he scores 20 a season from that position it's more than Enough.
 
carvajal said:
Hello, welcome to the main forum, I remember you from the newbies :), according to spanish press in the conversation in China between Ramos and Florentino ,he said " if i sell you, i would be the next". I mean, if the team start losing points in la liga the press/fans will point to Bale/Florentino obfuscation trying to provoke an unnatural leadership.
Right now I agree with you but what if he could sign Reus, Lewandowski or any surprise before the end of the market?, accept his mistake ,get a lot of money in return and bring some top player more similar to Bernabeu taste
Click to expand...
Hehe cheers!
I'm not sure if Perez will go for that. Reus is so injury prone and I think Perez has invested a lot of dough in him and I think he plans to see it out. Plus I don't think many clubs would be lining up for such a ridiculous price.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
He's the ideal RW for this present united. The only problem is; does he actually want to play there?
Click to expand...
He is far from ideal. Not comfortable when he doesn't have enough space, quite bad at passing, gives the ball a lot of time.

He would be a more expensive version of Di Maria with slightly better end product.
 
Revan said:
He is far from ideal. Not comfortable when he doesn't have enough space, quite bad at passing, gives the ball a lot of time.

He would be a more expensive version of Di Maria with slightly better end product.
Click to expand...

Bale is twice the winger ADM is, plus much more of a goal threat. He would score 15-20 at United compared to do Di Maria's 5.



Is your entire rating of him based on one so so season at Real?
 
Do not want. I would be happy to have Pedro and a striker. For that money, there is A LOT of alternative transfer configurations we can make.
 
It seems pretty mad to suggest he'd only have slightly better end product than Di Maria, when we've seen Bale deliver in this league, for a lesser team already. He's completely built for the Premier League, and he's as much of a sure success as you could hope for.

But I don't think it's happening anytime soon.
 
I don't think he is a sure success at all. He has the talent but as we saw with Spurs it took him a long time to adapt there and really show his best. Now at Real even though he has showed his talent at times he hasn't been anywhere near the player that made Real want to pay £80 million for him.

No doubts he would do well but for the figures being mentioned you need guarantees which Bale doesn't bring.
 
carvajal said:
Why do you think that is dreadful? you are talking about his qualities or you are biased because you think that is a prick? A good CB has to be like Pepe, experience, decent with the ball, hard when is needed and very good in aerial game
Click to expand...

No I have no problem signing pricks would take Ramos in an instant, just don't rate Pepe at all I disagree with you about him being hard when needed he just randomly decides to go loco all the time.
 
Is Real Madrid's Gareth Bale a £100m investment or risk for Manchester United?

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...100m-investment-or-risk-for-manchester-united

With Manchester United having made two world-record bids for Gareth Bale this summer, we examine whether the Real Madrid forward is really worth £100m.

According to reports in Tuesday’s Sun, United manager Louis van Gaal wants to bring Bale back to the Premier League this season, with the Dutchman even prepared to break the bank to sign the player.

United are expected to offload playmaker Angel Di Maria to Paris Saint-Germain before the transfer window closes next month, with Bale an ideal replacement for the Argentine at Old Trafford.

Sky Bet certainly think so, with the odds on the 26-year-old returning to England having been cut to 9/2 in recent days.

However, does it make sense for United to spend such huge sums to lure the Wales international to the Theatre of Dreams? Here are the arguments for and against making such a move:

GOOD VALUE FOR MONEY...

Show us your medals

In Bale’s debut campaign at the Santiago Bernabeu after joining the club from Tottenham in September 2013, the winger played a starring role as Madrid won both the Copa del Rey and the Champions League.

Not only did Bale score a memorable winner against Barcelona in the first of those finals, but his goal against city rivals Atletico Madrid in the latter also went a long way towards seeing the club win an historic La Decima.

And surely United would consider it £100m well spent if Bale were to have a similar impact on their own fortunes, especially if his arrival resulted in the club winning a fourth European Cup next May.

Best of British

Buying British players can be an expensive business these days, as Manchester City showed when splashing out £49m to sign Raheem Sterling in July, despite the 20-year-old having featured in less than 100 league games for Liverpool.

On that basis, it is understandable that Bale, with a decade of experience at the highest level in both England and Spain behind him, would be worth double Sterling’s transfer fee.

Brand value

United are clearly determined to land Bale, with the club having also attempted to sign the Welshman last summer, and with good reason too given his likely impact off the pitch.

United can expect to sell a shedload of Bale shirts around the world were he to sign for the club - just as Madrid did when prizing David Beckham from Old Trafford in 2003 - making what may initially appear a hefty £100m investment seem like value for money further down the line.

And Madrid actually offloaded Claude Makelele that summer because he was famously not shifting enough jerseys, as the midfielder told France Football: "He [Real president Florentino Perez] was not interested in me because I was not going to help sell any club shirts."

Premier experience

United want a marquee signing to replace the PSG-bound Di Maria at Old Trafford next season.

And Di Maria’s ill-fated 12 months at the club shows the danger of spending big sums on players with no proven Premier League experience, with United having lavished a British-record £59.7m on a forward who managed just three goals in the league last season.

Bale, though, would provide no such risk, with the wide man having scored 27 times and provided 12 assists in his last 58 top-flight games for Spurs before leaving White Hart Lane two years ago.

POOR VALUE FOR MONEY...

The invisible man

After Bale’s impressive first campaign at the Bernabeu, the flying winger endured a far tougher second season at Madrid as the club won no trophies, with coach Carlo Ancelotti losing his job as a result in May.

Meanwhile, Bale found himself on the receiving end of some harsh criticism from both the Madrid press and the Los Blancos faithful, who even booed him after a win against Espanyol in January.

“I feel some players still don’t trust him enough,” was Sky Sports’ Spanish football expert Guillem Balague's assessment of Bale’s displays last season.

“Why not? Partly because he doesn’t seem to link up enough with the team. Despite the fact he runs a lot, he’s the 11th player in recovering the ball, so they don’t see him giving enough solutions.”

And it is true that in Madrid’s key games, when they most needed him - such as in the title decider at Barcelona and the Champions League semi-final with Juventus - Bale often went missing.

Can United therefore risk lavishing the small matter of £100m on a player who has recently struggled to impose himself on the big stage?

It’s a numbers game

However, it was not just in Madrid’s big matches that Bale failed to justify his £85.3m price tag last season, but it was also in their league campaign as a whole.

In fact, comparing Bale’s 2014/15 La Liga stats with those of Luis Suarez, who Barcelona bought from Liverpool last summer for ‘just’ £75m, makes for interesting reading.

Despite playing in four fewer games after being suspended for the start of the season for biting Giorgio Chiellini at the 2014 World Cup, Suarez still scored 16 goals, three more than Bale managed.

The Uruguay forward’s shot conversion rate of 25.53 per cent was superior to the Wales international’s 15.43 per cent, with Bale also contributing fewer assists (9) than Suarez provided (14).

And finally in 27 league outings, Suarez created 60 chances, while Bale could only create 51 in his 31 contests.

All of which begs the question: given Bale's La Liga form last season, especially when judged alongside how Suarez performed in his debut campaign for Barca, is Bale really worth a £100m outlay?
Click to expand...
 
Jeez imagine we got Bale and Pedro in the same window as well as Depay I don't think Pace would be so much of an issue anymore
 
People doubting Bales returns in La Liga?? :lol:



Probably only two players that are better than him arguably.
 
LilRicky said:
People doubting Bales returns in La Liga?? :lol:



Probably only two players that are better than him arguably.
Click to expand...


Andy Mittens saying that Pedro will be our last attacking player for the summer.

Its a bit worrying. Dont think we will have the firepower required to win the league.
 
Captain Hindsight said:
Andy Mittens saying that Pedro will be our last attacking player for the summer.

Its a bit worrying. Dont think we will have the firepower required to win the league.
Click to expand...
Depay, Pedro and Rooney are all capable of over 20 goals in the league, it's just a matter of adaptability and consistency for Rooney. I think we could be okay.
 
AltiUn said:
Depay, Pedro and Rooney are all capable of over 20 goals in the league, it's just a matter of adaptability and consistency for Rooney. I think we could be okay.
Click to expand...

Im not so sure. Depay is still very young and inexperienced. Pedro will be moving to a new league, too, and so you can never be too sure as to how he will perform.
 
Captain Hindsight said:
Andy Mittens saying that Pedro will be our last attacking player for the summer.

Its a bit worrying. Dont think we will have the firepower required to win the league.
Click to expand...

If it is we've still got goals across the pitch. Depay can hit between 10-15, Pedro the same probably. Rooney I am expecting 20+ from him this season.

Add in goals from Young, Mata, Fellaini, Herrera and some from the other forwards (Chicca & Wilson) then I can see us doing ok.

But I remain hopeful of Bale signing, if not him possibly another good forward. Some rumors about Lacazette being sold by Lyon gathering pace too.
 
AltiUn said:
Depay, Pedro and Rooney are all capable of over 20 goals in the league, it's just a matter of adaptability and consistency for Rooney. I think we could be okay.
Click to expand...

I think expecting 2 players new to the PL to each chip in 20 goals is optimistic. I think Rooney will get over 20 if he is played as a true 9 - but even that is not exactly certain.
 
From reading this thread i see a bit of a divide in opinion. some say it would be total insanity paying the reported fee and in noway is he worth it, whilst others say how we need him and its not my money who cares.

Make space please because I'm in the we want Bale camp. Yeah the fee is a bit insane but what he will bring to our team is worth it in my opinion. When real paid the 77 million for him i didn't flinch, i remember feeling jealous that they were getting a world class player. Bale is still that world class player, whats a few million more anyway? Like many on here i feel he is made for united and would love him here. He can play across the front line and its a cert that he will get goals, we need more goals to challenge. If he did come i wouldn't have any doubts for him being a success here, he would be the forefront of our team. Do your stuff woody and bring him in.

I don't feel we have a realistic chance of getting him this season though sadly.
 
It looks like Madrid are now trying to make Bale into the new Ronaldo, which makes me think he may not be available at any price. More chance of getting Ronaldo himself.
 
swooshboy said:
I think expecting 2 players new to the PL to each chip in 20 goals is optimistic. I think Rooney will get over 20 if he is played as a true 9 - but even that is not exactly certain.
Click to expand...
I'm always the optimist, realistically I have no idea how it'll all pan out until we get to see the team play properly.
 
He wouldn't be worth half of that in value to us, not in the system we deploy, under SAF, he'd have thrived, but now I'd much prefer Reus.
 
Captain Hindsight said:
Andy Mittens saying that Pedro will be our last attacking player for the summer.

Its a bit worrying. Dont think we will have the firepower required to win the league.
Click to expand...

So if Bale was available we wouldn't be interested? I'm not having that. If the rumours are right and we've been making offers or at least expressed an interest in him then we'll be interested until the end of the window.

Of course Madrid may not want to sell but the club, and Van Gaal seem to want a "marquee" player.
 
carvajal said:
http://www.abc.es/realmadrid/noticias/20150802/abci-benitez-bale-201508011842.html
Abc wrote an article yesterday about Bale´s new position.
The article says that according to the board, last year Bale was a player wasted, because although many left footed play on the right by his characteristics he should exploit his speed. They consider that the goal he scored in la Copa del Rey final beating Bartra would have been impossible if he were playing on the right. They also write that last year he was playing out of place in the midfield and his performances depended mainly on the number of passes he received. Benitez went to see him when was in Wales this summer and asked him what position he believed would be better and Gareth replied "playmaker, behind the striker". Benitez apparently is planning a system that is not so strict tactically, in which both he and Cristiano positions can change during the game. According to the writer the experiment will be a success because now Bale participates in all actions of attack, besides Kroos, Modric, James and Isco have more passing options. I personally still doubt that it is the correct position, I think to play in that position the player has to be very good technically to play in tight spaces but if Rafa keeps with his idea then evidently Benzema will be disadvantaged
Click to expand...

How do you see Real lining up this season? Presumably it'll be 4231 with Ronaldo left, Bale 10 and Benzema as the striker but who then will play right?
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
It looks like Madrid are now trying to make Bale into the new Ronaldo, which makes me think he may not be available at any price. More chance of getting Ronaldo himself.
Click to expand...

Would that not be James? He was Perez's golden child last season.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.