So true, can't believe anyone thinks this is a good fee - it is mental
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So true, can't believe anyone thinks this is a good fee - it is mental
The whole thing with Bale and goals misses the point a lot when you consider that valuation. Yes, Bale does the business at important times, and these important times have been frequent over the course of last season. However, for £95m you should be getting a player who is either extraordinarily productive or capable of regularly dominating games (preferably both) - someone more than an impact player who comes up with the goods by repeatedly trying to pull off the spectacular. I rate Bale a lot but he's more of a newspaper headline player than someone who will regularly have a huge impact throughout a football match.
Another thing - and it will have been said already - if he does go to Madrid and Ronaldo doesn't leave, he will not have the level of freedom he has at Spurs. Because of this, it's not likely that his productivity stats will undergo a huge increase, which is surely a concern given that his figures aren't spectacular in the first place. Ronaldo was matching these stats before he became so goal focused, and that whilst being more influential with his general play (and a little more restricted in his role).
...it's an insane transfer fee, basically. To justify it, you'd basically have to throw your arms up, accept that the market is mental and that context is no longer relevant.
Another thing - and it will have been said already - if he does go to Madrid and Ronaldo doesn't leave, he will not have the level of freedom he has at Spurs. Because of this, it's not likely that his productivity stats will undergo a huge increase, which is surely a concern given that his figures aren't spectacular in the first place. Ronaldo was matching these stats before he became so goal focused, and that whilst being more influential with his general play (and a little more restricted in his role).
...it's an insane transfer fee, basically. To justify it, you'd basically have to throw your arms up, accept that the market is mental and that context is no longer relevant.
For £95 million you'd expect one of, if not the best, player of his generation. Not Garteth Bale.
You won't get Messi for 95 million.
This is sort of Alastard's point. The transfer landscape has changed. It all boils down to how you rate Bale as a player.
If you rate him as potentially becoming a truly great player and potentially a world player of the year in the future, then 95 million is sort of acceptable considering Spurs have no need to sell. If you think he is overrated then its a waste of money. Madrid clearly rate him as the former.
You also have to factor in that Madrid love doing these type of deals. They have no interest in saving money. They like breaking world records and just plain showing off.
I think its more that Messi and Neymar are unavailable and this is the price Spurs are demanding. Remember they went for Neymar first and couldnt get him
This is simply insane money. How much more do they have? What will is wages be?
Lingering hope that we may sign the boy on cut price deal in two years.
Wonder if Levy has been smart enough to insert a clause like that for Spurs.
One of the bookies already has a line for Gareth Bale's La Liga goals: Over/Under 17.5.
Either there's money to be made or Madrid are wasting a hell of a lot of it.
Either there's money to be made or Madrid are wasting a hell of a lot of it.
I think he'll just break into double figures in his 1st year. My guess is 13.
I think to believe that you need to ignore what he was regularly doing out on the wing before he moved inside, when he did have a regular huge impact on games. Last year, what he did for the team changed under a new manager and he was also successful in that role.
Which is why he's so highly valued.
Bet he can't do it on a hot, red skied night in Barcelona. fecking ape.
He's not a natural goalscorer like Ronaldo is.
When Ronnie got his 42, he had a mixture of tap ins, screamers, free-kicks and headers. Bale had a good season for long rangers (which you can't really budget for since they rely so much on luck), but his conversion rate in general isn't brilliant and he won't get the same number of chances for Madrid as he did for Spurs because the whole team won't play through him.
He'll end up being played as an orthodox winger (which he is good at, tbf) and only score around 10-12 goals next season, I reckon.
When Ronnie got his 42, he had a mixture of tap ins, screamers, free-kicks and headers. Bale had a good season for long rangers (which you can't really budget for since they rely so much on luck), but his conversion rate in general isn't brilliant and he won't get the same number of chances for Madrid as he did for Spurs because the whole team won't play through him.
He'll end up being played as an orthodox winger (which he is good at, tbf) and only score around 10-12 goals next season, I reckon.
He'll flop. Moved there too soon. Not worthy of a world record bid. Has to adapt to a different style of football entirely.
Nah, he hasn't hit the levels of impact I'm talking about in terms of general performance. He's not hit the heights of Nani 2010 in that regard yet, never mind the sort of players you'd compare him with in order to justify this sort of valuation. I meant that in the sense of on top of what he's already doing, and even then I think he'd have to be doing a lot more.
It's reasonable to assume he might go to Madrid and merge the best aspects of his career to date, but you're still left with the unavoidable bottleneck of him not having the same freedom to express himself. He has about 7 shots a game at the moment and has the license to drift all over the place; I just can't see a manager allowing Bale to play like this when Ronaldo is already in the team. It just doesn't seem sensible and it remains to be seen how effective Bale will be under those sort of restrictions. The side won't be built around him, and he'll instead be a cog in a machine consisting of players like Ronaldo and Ozil who are clearly more accomplished on the ball than he is. He could still improve in many ways and I wouldn't put that past him, but I think there is a danger of him losing a lot of what makes him so good if he moves to Madrid.
the only way madrid started at a ridiculousley high bid would be either they have lost their marbles, or they had sold ronny and were using it to buy bale
Will be a massive flop
Well, we will never know. Madrid's not always good at haggling.
It's just my opinion that when the push comes to shove in a take it or leave it, 50M would probably be enough to land Bale.
I don't think we can compete with Madrid, even if we can meet the valuation, what are the odds Bale would choose us over Madrid?
Reminds me of Chelsea signing Torres. Paying over the odds for a player who isn't what's needed, due to a sense that 'something has to be done'. I don't see how he can succeed, for them, without it being at the expense of Ronaldo.
I suspect they probably feel the same and feel Bale is the future and Cristiano is not, as they cannot be oblivious to Ronaldo's vanity and the effect that breaking his record fee, for a player who plays his position, will have on him.
They've been spending an incredible amount of money, for a long time. They've also been winning remarkably little, considering. Long may it continue!
I suspect they probably feel the same and feel Bale is the future and Cristiano is not, as they cannot be oblivious to Ronaldo's vanity and the effect that breaking his record fee, for a player who plays his position, will have on him.
They've been spending an incredible amount of money, for a long time. They've also been winning remarkably little, considering. Long may it continue!
Bale should have waited another to sort of confirm he's that great of a player. I think at Madrid he won't be forgiven if he plays poorly here and there. It's one thing to be a team's main man and just another one in a better team.
Surely the likes of Di Maria can be signed now right ?
Surely the likes of Di Maria can be signed now right ?
He might only get a chance like this once in his lifetime its a short career I don't blame him for taking it now.
Yes, it's not Bale's fault that Madrid are willing to pay silly money. Which it looks like we'll find out in the next few days.
How will he handle it? Well, worst case he'll be at United in two years time, and about to enter his prime - which is actually the same as the best case really. Incidentally he can score ten goals a season in La Liga and be forgiven (and considered a good value purchase) if Madrid win a CL final with him scoring.
How will Ancelotti handle it? Anybody's guess. Like everyone and his dog his ideal solution would be if Ronaldo played as a striker, but turning his back to the goal and running sideways looks so alien to his game that it's like only having half the player.
Bale and Ronaldo behind Benzema - no Di Maria and probably no Ozil - swap Benzema for Rooney and it might work. Bale and Ronaldo with Ozil as a false 9 - no Benzema - I admit I'm mad enough that I'd like to see it: however I'm off to the Ozil thread now for obvious reasons
I don't think that Bale will flop at all, as he's clearly a top class player. He will have to change his game to suit a different style of football and he won't instantly be the main man, but I can't see much holding him back from eventually becoming a real star there.
Lets not kid ourselves just because it's Madrid that's landing him.
Lets not kid ourselves just because it's Madrid that's landing him.
This is just not true. The bulk of Ronaldo's contribution is the stuff you want your centreforward to do, and that's not what Bale does at all. Ronaldo scored 55 goals last season and 6 of them were from outside the box. Bale scored 26 and 11 of them came from outside the box. He'll never get near Ronaldo levels but if he can carry on this kind of form to Madrid he'll undoubtedly be upping his scoring record overall to hit 30 goals plus and he'll continue hitting double figures from range - I'm not sure Ronaldo's ever done this in a season. He doesn't have to score as many strikers' goals as Ronaldo if he's adding a different dimension.
But both are very single minded players. Not sure if that will lead to the most fluid cohesive football. Most teams tend to have one such player.
Must have come close in his last couple of seasons with us - how many free kicks did he score for a start?
It's not whether Bale will flop, it's whether the team will flop with him in it.
Up to this point this summer, Madrid's buys have look like genuine team strengthening moves. Even their sales have been done with team building in mind - Higuain is a loss, but not if it lets them develop Morata or Jese, or if it helps them get Benzema's peformances up.
Bale's introduction means restructuring and doing it with the season already underway and to introduce a player with no pre-season matches - and with no obvious formation in mind.
Fluid, cohesive football and Perez's Galacticos have never really gone hand in hand in fairness. No doubt this was Perez just deciding he's doing everything in his power to get what he wants and ignoring the consequences, I'm just saying what Ronaldo's best at is not what Bale is best at. Ronaldo's goalscoring record is primarily down to exceptional movement/reactions/instincts/finishing. Bale doesn't really do that sort of stuff. I do wonder how they'll fit in together. Then again Neymar and Messi have a lot of the same overlapping qualities too.
A lot less than some United fans seem to remember.
94,000,000
Ninety Four MILLION
MILLION
for Gareth Bale
94 fecking million quid.
Ninety Four MILLION
MILLION
for Gareth Bale
94 fecking million quid.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/breakdown-of-ronaldos-goals-so-far-this-season.196802/
He scored 5 free kicks and 2 goals from outside the penalty area.
A snip.
Apart from calling me Alastard, yes, this is a very good, concise post describing the situation.
oh yeah he's gone!!!!!
Neymar and Messi do have overlapping qualities but they do both seem to have vision and an eye for a pass. And messi is a great team player too. So if neymar is selfish and single minded it would just be one player. You can afford that. Two chaps who are absolutely single minded in what they do seems a bit much to me. Only way it works for me is if they don't play an orthodox striker and maybe play a false 9 in between the two of them who links up well or play one of them there.
Madrid have played quite fluid football in recent times.
I disagree with all of you, you're all just blinded by your bitterness. Bale carries a lot of pace, strength and attacking threat. Bale's one of the best players in the world at the moment, I think he'll be a success wherever he plays.
What you're saying is what they're best at are different things. But the aim is the same:to score. Two players who are so single minded in their pursuit of goals doesn't bode well for them IMO unless one of them plays as a striker. A striker plus two fellows looking for mainly shooting opportunities is just overkill.
Anyway maybe madrid won't use them as the two have been used of late.
Also apologies for quoting your one post these many times!
Having watched a lot of Spurs last season I do on the whole agree with this. However... Bale isn't ready for such a move imo, last season he was very selfish and wasted a lot of chances, sure some of them flew in as well, but he doesn't have the experience to see through a 90 minute display. He won't be able to be as selfish as he was at Tottenham because Madrid actually have Strikers. He's leaving 2 years too early imo.
Alastair is completely mental, Bale is not worth £94 million. I'm not sure how people are saying this is what a player of Bale's quality is worth, not when no other club in the world world have paid that much for him, and players around his ability or even touted as potentially better have gone for close to half that price.
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