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IF we sold Nani (which is highly, highly unlikely), Bale would be fantastic for us.

Could cover at LB for Evra against weaker opposition too, let paddy have a rest.
 
Hellboy said:
I'd rather have Nani than Bale.
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So would I.

I think that Bale shows flashes of brilliance from time to time but that his performances are too inconsistent. I think that if he was playing for a team that was challenging for the title, his erratic form would mean that he wouldn't be a starter.
 
Because inconsistency has never been a weakness of Nani's game...

Not really trying to compare the two (although I think it makes for an interesting comparison), more just saying that it would be pointless for us to bring in another winger without one of our current three regular wingers leaving.

Also FWIW I think Bale would have had more consistent success if he had simply stuck to doing what he was good at this season - being a left winger, rather than trying to play a free role, switching flanks and playing centrally at times. Dont know if that was his idea or 'Arry's, but it seemed a pretty stupid idea from the off.
 
Traub said:
So would I.

I think that Bale shows flashes of brilliance from time to time but that his performances are too inconsistent. I think that if he was playing for a team that was challenging for the title, his erratic form would mean that he wouldn't be a starter.
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He really isn't inconsistent at all. Every single game i watch him play, he provides some fantastic crosses for his strikers, too often though nothing comes from them. But for a winger i think like Valencia he is very consistent, his overall contribution is pretty reliable, and his pace and power requires 2 players to nullify that threat. For his age and position i think he has been fantastic, and personally i would love to see him on our left wing, and Nani or Valencia on the other. Either combination is cocks out time, and we would be totally devastating on the break. :drool:
 
I think he is still quite inconsistent, although it's something that he has improved on a lot from last season. Last season, he became infamous for being overrated on a handful of performances when he was average in a lot of the other games.

Now though, he's become a player who has consistently delivered a lot more of the time. Despite that, he hasn't been playing too well lately like the rest of the Spurs team. It's something that he should still look to improve on.
 
Traub said:
So would I.

I think that Bale shows flashes of brilliance from time to time but that his performances are too inconsistent. I think that if he was playing for a team that was challenging for the title, his erratic form would mean that he wouldn't be a starter.
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Are you having a laugh? Do you think he would be less consistent than Young or Nani? Nani is fantastic when on top form, but how often is that?
Wingers are inconsistent at the best of times, but the likes of Bale and Valencia are much more consistent than most and produce reliable and high quality deliveries.

Bale would get into our side no problem in my view, because he is a natural left footer and the 2 players competing with him for the left wing slot, are not as consistent and right footed. Nani on his day is a genius and keeps anyone else we have out, so it would be between Young and Bale on the left. If Nani's not on form then Valencia keeps him out. It really is that simple and should be the same with any side, whoever is on form gets the nod.
Just because Nani has the most talent does not mean he is automatic starter every week. He has never been that so far and the nature of him as a player suggests he will never be a mainstay like a Rooney. Frustrating more often than brilliant, sums Nani's Utd career so far imo, and i doubt he will ever change. Giggs is and has been just the same really, maybe it is just symptomatic of players like that to be inconsistent.
 
cheesy said:
I think he is still quite inconsistent, although it's something that he has improved on a lot from last season. Last season, he became infamous for being overrated on a handful of performances when he was average in a lot of the other games.

Now though, he's become a player who has consistently delivered a lot more of the time. Despite that, he hasn't been playing too well lately like the rest of the Spurs team. It's something that he should still look to improve on.
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Just imagine him playing on the left in our team, and ask yourself whether we would be poorer for it? For me, we would be much more dangerous, and would have a reliable stream of quality deliveries and sheer pace down both flanks. I think it would be fantastic personally. Like thinking back to the days of Kanchelskis and Giggs. :drool:
 
apotheosis said:
Just imagine him playing on the left in our team, and ask yourself whether we would be poorer for it? For me, we would be much more dangerous, and would have a reliable stream of quality deliveries and sheer pace down both flanks. I think it would be fantastic personally. Like thinking back to the days of Kanchelskis and Giggs. :drool:
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Debatably. He's certainly a better player than Young in my opinion, however he is than Nani when Nani's playing his very best football. I'm not so sure. I'd take him in our team, but I wouldn't pay £30m + for him.
 
apotheosis said:
Are you having a laugh? Do you think he would be less consistent than Young or Nani? Nani is fantastic when on top form, but how often is that?
Wingers are inconsistent at the best of times, but the likes of Bale and Valencia are much more consistent than most and produce reliable and high quality deliveries.

Bale would get into our side no problem in my view, because he is a natural left footer and the 2 players competing with him for the left wing slot, are not as consistent and right footed. Nani on his day is a genius and keeps anyone else we have out, so it would be between Young and Bale on the left. If Nani's not on form then Valencia keeps him out. It really is that simple and should be the same with any side, whoever is on form gets the nod.
Just because Nani has the most talent does not mean he is automatic starter every week. He has never been that so far and the nature of him as a player suggests he will never be a mainstay like a Rooney. Frustrating more often than brilliant, sums Nani's Utd career so far imo, and i doubt he will ever change. Giggs is and has been just the same really, maybe it is just symptomatic of players like that to be inconsistent.
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Perhaps that sums up his career so far but his form and consistency has improved drastically over the past two seasons IMO.

I personally don't think one can say that Nani is inconsistent whilst Bale isn't. Bale goes missing a lot more often than Nani lately (my opinion of course). If Bale was as amazing as some make out, I don't think Spurs would be in the form they're currently in. If we had Nani, Valencia, Bale and Young in our squad I would start with Valencia and Nani.
 
I think the Nani of 2010/2011 showed that he is improving in the consistency department. At least now we can sometimes see some of his true ability. This one has been frustrating though to be honest. Not only has he struggled to live up to the expectations he set last season; he looked like he was going to at the start of the season.

I can remember being very impressed with him back then. He looked sharp and ready for the season. I thought after the Community Shield game against City that he was going to have a season which put him right up there as one of the best players in the league and a frontrunner for the player of the season. He kept that going for a few games, but he's really tailed off since then.

Despite that, I don't really think he's much worse than Bale for consistency in all honesty. Bale may have been more consistent than him this season, but Nani was undoubtedly the more consistent of the two last year.
 
I would say Nani at his best has more to his game than our other wingers and Bale as well. He can go on the outside and tear the fall back apart, maybe without the same power but he can do it, but he can come inside better than any of them as well. Bale recently has suffered because he's been allowed a much more free role to drift inside which doesn't suit him in the same way it doesn't suit Valencia. All excellent players but if I had to chose one I'd take Nani.

That said imagine if we'd got Bale and had him at fall back, Nani ahead of him. That would be awesome.
 
Bale left back, Young left wing, Valencia right back and Nani right wing...
 
Ash_G said:
I would say Nani at his best has more to his game than our other wingers and Bale as well. He can go on the outside and tear the fall back apart, maybe without the same power but he can do it, but he can come inside better than any of them as well. Bale recently has suffered because he's been allowed a much more free role to drift inside which doesn't suit him in the same way it doesn't suit Valencia. All excellent players but if I had to chose one I'd take Nani.

That said imagine if we'd got Bale and had him at fall back, Nani ahead of him. That would be awesome.
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Nah, I'm not a massive fan of Bale at full back. I know there are a lot of full backs out there who are good at getting forward but not so great when it comes to the defensive aspect of their game, but most of them are still decent defenders. Our own Evra is probably an example of that. There's a reason why he was converted into a winger. I couldn't see him making it at a top club as a full back, unless he was allowed to play as an out and out wing back.
 
Cheesy said:
Nah, I'm not a massive fan of Bale at full back. I know there are a lot of full backs out there who are good at getting forward but not so great when it comes to the defensive aspect of their game, but most of them are still decent defenders. Our own Evra is probably an example of that. There's a reason why he was converted into a winger. I couldn't see him making it at a top club as a full back, unless he was allowed to play as an out and out wing back.
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I think he could do it and would improve over time. With all the talk of him going to Barca, real or not, I can only imagine that he would be playing left back as his style wouldn't fit in to their front 3. Plus he's not really played in a defence as good as ours so I think he's been more exposed than he would at a bigger club.
 
Brwned said:
Bale left back, Young left wing, Valencia right back and Nani right wing...
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I don't think I'd want that week in week out, however if we were chasing a game then it would be a brilliant combination for attack.
 
apotheosis said:
Just imagine him playing on the left in our team, and ask yourself whether we would be poorer for it? For me, we would be much more dangerous, and would have a reliable stream of quality deliveries and sheer pace down both flanks. I think it would be fantastic personally. Like thinking back to the days of Kanchelskis and Giggs. :drool:
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It'd cost us upwards of 40mil so i'd have to say No. Very good player, not what we need.
 
Cheesy said:
I think the Nani of 2010/2011 showed that he is improving in the consistency department. At least now we can sometimes see some of his true ability. This one has been frustrating though to be honest. Not only has he struggled to live up to the expectations he set last season; he looked like he was going to at the start of the season.

I can remember being very impressed with him back then. He looked sharp and ready for the season. I thought after the Community Shield game against City that he was going to have a season which put him right up there as one of the best players in the league and a frontrunner for the player of the season. He kept that going for a few games, but he's really tailed off since then.

Despite that, I don't really think he's much worse than Bale for consistency in all honesty. Bale may have been more consistent than him this season, but Nani was undoubtedly the more consistent of the two last year.
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You are picking out portions of seasons as proof of consistency, the very fact you have to do that proves the point. Nani has been here for 5 years now, and has been largely inconsistent for the vast majority of it.

Yes we can pick out half a season here and there when he has been fantastic, but overall he has been much less consistent than Bale has in the last 2 or 3 years. Remember Bale's age and the fact he started out as a full back, and this season apart, has been playing in an average Spurs team.

Considering Nani has only played in 1 season where we did not end up champions, it is hard to say our team has not given him a better platform, with more help than Bale has had.

Just to clarify, i am not a Nani hater, he is one of my favourite players, but for some reason talking about Bale, seems to imply to most people that he is competing directly with Nani for the left spot. I don't see it personally. Nani has played some of his better games on the left, but on the whole he is much more comfortable on the right. If we got Bale in the summer, which we won't, then he and young battle for the left and Nani and Valencia the right. I have never seen Nani as a left winger, which is why SAF bought Young, but even he is not as dangerous as Bale would be imo.
 
Brwned said:
Bale left back, Young left wing, Valencia right back and Nani right wing...
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I dont like the idea of Bale at left back. Bale's with his greatest asset - his pace- is at his best in a counter attack. So when the team is defending bale must still be one of the furthest up field which is not where a left back, whose first duty is to defend, should be
 
Varun_Utd said:
It'd cost us upwards of 40mil so i'd have to say No. Very good player, not what we need.
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Not about the money, it's about the hypothesis. I have never suggested we should sign him. I only speculate on what he would bring. For those who remember Kanchelskis and Giggs/Sharpe on the break, it was a sight to behold, and is testament to players being comfortable with their position. I never think Nani looks comfortable on the left personally, he does not even seem to score that often comparatively to when he plays on the right.

Bale is the type of player who could help us against the top teams. Give him room and he can destroy anyone with his pace and power. However good our wingers are, we have seen none who have done to a top European team what Bale did to Inter. I don't even remember Ronaldo having a game like that, and he is another whose game is similarly based around pace and power.
 
Muniain would cost £30m (considerably less than Bale), and is twice the player. I really hope we'll go for him or Hazard this summer.
 
apotheosis said:
Not about the money, it's about the hypothesis. I have never suggested we should sign him. I only speculate on what he would bring. For those who remember Kanchelskis and Giggs/Sharpe on the break, it was a sight to behold, and is testament to players being comfortable with their position. I never think Nani looks comfortable on the left personally, he does not even seem to score that often comparatively to when he plays on the right.

Bale is the type of player who could help us against the top teams. Give him room and he can destroy anyone with his pace and power. However good our wingers are, we have seen none who have done to a top European team what Bale did to Inter. I don't even remember Ronaldo having a game like that, and he is another whose game is similarly based around pace and power.
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Valencia or Nani in a good day would have destroyed them. I mean look at Inter now, they're slow ordinary and shit. It was the beginning of their downslide last year, there were signs. Bale had a great game against them, but sorry Inter were really shit.
 
Meanwhile, Bale is back to pretending to be a central midfielder in a Spurs-side already bereft of width.

It has to be said, he isn't the brightest tool in the shed this one. And why on earth Harry decides to go with this weird 4-3-3-formation in which none of his players are comfortable is baffling.

He should play 4-4-2, and have a device installed which gives Bale a relatively powerful electrical shock whenever he strays infield more than five yards away from the sideline.
 
Bale being allowed to play that creative role is a perfect example of his own manager overrating him. He's a very good player, yes, but skill in creativity aren't his main features. He's best at running down the wing, cutting inside and shooting, or simply crossing. You can't try to over-complicate his game or he'll suffer from it.
 
Bale would be devastating in a better team....But...he is a speed merchant and if he ever loses a yard or pace then he will considerably less effective.
 
Cheesy said:
Bale being allowed to play that creative role is a perfect example of his own manager overrating him. He's a very good player, yes, but skill in creativity aren't his main features. He's best at running down the wing, cutting inside and shooting, or simply crossing. You can't try to over-complicate his game or he'll suffer from it.
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I agree with that Cheesy. As much as i rate Bale, he has to be used properly. Just because a player is dangerous in one role doesn't make them dangerous in all role. Bale is very good at what he does, and used correctly he is one of the few almost unstoppable players around. But asking him to be a Xavi or Messi-esque type playmaker is way beyond his skillset imo.

We have to remember he is still really a young playerng to a wide striker, I don't know if it's desperation with Redknapp atm, but he seems to be persisting with asking Bale to fulfill that role. Very strange considering they already have Modric, who is perfectly suited to that role.
 
Hellboy said:
Valencia or Nani in a good day would have destroyed them. I mean look at Inter now, they're slow ordinary and shit. It was the beginning of their downslide last year, there were signs. Bale had a great game against them, but sorry Inter were really shit.
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Well we could all say they would have done this or that, but the bottom line is they haven't, yet both have played considerably more games in Europe than Bale has, and for a better team.

Utd have played both good teams in Europe and poor ones, Valencia and Nani have had good games and poor ones, but has any of them ever destroyed a team of that standard or even a lesser one, like Bale did to Inter? It is easy to say well Inter were shit and slow, but at the time they were CL winners and Maicon was considered to be one of the best RB's about after an excellent WC, yet Bale repeatedly destroyed him.

I would be interested to know if any of our wingers, Giggs and Ronaldo included, have ever single handedly destroyed a top team like Bale did. If they have i will be honest i am struggling to remember it. We have had some great team performances over the years but in terms of an individual performance like that, i am struggling to recall even one such performance.
 
You massively underrate Nani apotheosis, and Valencia to a smaller degree.
 
apotheosis said:
Well we could all say they would have done this or that, but the bottom line is they haven't, yet both have played considerably more games in Europe than Bale has, and for a better team.

Utd have played both good teams in Europe and poor ones, Valencia and Nani have had good games and poor ones, but has any of them ever destroyed a team of that standard or even a lesser one, like Bale did to Inter? It is easy to say well Inter were shit and slow, but at the time they were CL winners and Maicon was considered to be one of the best RB's about after an excellent WC, yet Bale repeatedly destroyed him.

I would be interested to know if any of our wingers, Giggs and Ronaldo included, have ever single handedly destroyed a top team like Bale did. If they have i will be honest i am struggling to remember it. We have had some great team performances over the years but in terms of an individual performance like that, i am struggling to recall even one such performance.
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good point, he did put the shitter up that team, but a mourinhio managed inter would have contained him, like we manage to do, :)
 
apotheosis said:
I would be interested to know if any of our wingers, Giggs and Ronaldo included, have ever single handedly destroyed a top team like Bale did. If they have i will be honest i am struggling to remember it. We have had some great team performances over the years but in terms of an individual performance like that, i am struggling to recall even one such performance.
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Seriously?
 
>Inter 2011
>Top team

Pick one.

This was a side that got dicked on 7-2 by Schalke, a team we absolutely blew apart.
 
The more I read the worse is gets. Nani isn't an automatic starter and hasn't shown consistency?
 
apotheosis said:
I agree with that Cheesy. As much as i rate Bale, he has to be used properly. Just because a player is dangerous in one role doesn't make them dangerous in all role. Bale is very good at what he does, and used correctly he is one of the few almost unstoppable players around. But asking him to be a Xavi or Messi-esque type playmaker is way beyond his skillset imo.

We have to remember he is still really a young playerng to a wide striker, I don't know if it's desperation with Redknapp atm, but he seems to be persisting with asking Bale to fulfill that role. Very strange considering they already have Modric, who is perfectly suited to that role.
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Yeah, Redknapp has to realise that he's not a creative player who's going to dictate the tempo of the game. He's a more direct player who specialises in bombing down the wing with his pace. I wouldn't call him one dimensional, because he does have more than pace, as he's got decent skill and a good shot on him as well, but he's not a particularly diverse player. There's nothing wrong with that, unless his manager can't see it and tries to deploy him in a number of different roles.
 
Nani was absolutely brilliant against Bayern at home. Excellent performance, destroyed them IMO.
 
Nani has shown plenty of consistency at times as well. It's something that has lacked and that he should look to improve on, however in the 2010/2011 season he was much more consistent than Bale was.
 
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