I'm not saying that at all. Could Sam's story not be told in half the time? Or a quarter of the time? Even the characters on the show are fed up with hearing about Gilly. His speech didn't even make sense. "Then I was nothing, now I'm not nothing". Uh okay?
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I'm not saying that at all. Could Sam's story not be told in half the time? Or a quarter of the time? Even the characters on the show are fed up with hearing about Gilly. His speech didn't even make sense. "Then I was nothing, now I'm not nothing". Uh okay?
Why does he get more screen time than the other infinitely more interesting characters? I'm not saying write him out, I'm saying pick the right moments. As for R.N7, I think he is right to criticize Danerys plot as being repetitive or Sam as being boring as shit. Do we need to just have the thread so people can come in every week, say their "amazing" and move on? What's wrong with discussing it, flaws and all?
Can't believe so many didn't enjoy that episode. There was almost certainly going to be a battle at the wall, and it was done well.
Should be obvious he is just trolling the thread.
So you'd rather have the show makers take a leap and just say "Yeah during the last commercial break, Sam somehow managed to kill a whitewalker, got back to Castle Black, said "hello" to Bran on his way in, got Gilly a job somewhere, then spoke to brothers about her, somehow got reunited with her and yeah you will now be joining the scene where everyone's fighting and he is dangerously close to a wildling.."
Possibly because it'd be a bit of an anticlimax if the key to the entire series had been discovered by a bit-part character? I'm all for discussing something flaws and all, but when you have someone who posts the equivalent of
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... it's entirely reasonable to ask why they bother watching the show at all.
So you'd rather have the show makers take a leap and just say "Yeah during the last commercial break, Sam somehow managed to kill a whitewalker, got back to Castle Black, said "hello" to Bran on his way in, got Gilly a job somewhere, then spoke to brothers about her, somehow got reunited with her and yeah you will now be joining the scene where everyone's fighting and he is dangerously close to a wildling.."
No, clearly not.
But the Gilly in a whore is a perfect example of something that could be cut.
No scenes of them arguing about sending her away
No scenes of Sam describing what the other men were thinking about before they went to bed
No scenes of Sam talking to the barmaid
No scenes of Gilly trying to make friends
No scenes of the women in the whorehouse
No scenes of Sam moaning that she's gone
No scenes of him moaning once he hears what happens
No scenes of her trying to get through the gate after she escaped (which, despite all the scenes they gave to this nothing storyline, this wasn't even explained)
All of this for what? She ended up back where she started! All of that time could be spent on Tyrion or Jaime or Daenerys or The Mountain or Tywin or Sansa or Arya or Bronn or Shea or even the stark sons. This show badly needs an editor.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
No no no no
feck noooooooooooooooooo
No no no no
feck noooooooooooooooooo
fecking jealous cnuts, you all hated her, feck you all!
Right. Wouldn't this make you think that they (Sam and Gilly) are not just fillers and there will be something coming out of their character development? It's not like they're showing Brienne and Pod walk through the jungles making smalltalk or our self righteous Khaleesi and her army just marching around??
I would think that they've spent time on developing the story arcs of Tyrion/Jaime/Cersei etc etc over the course of the 4 seasons and they're spending time developing the Sam and Gilly storyline. I understand it is not as exciting as some of the other angles, but should they not have time to set it up and make it exciting?
Edit: this was in response to @Eboue's post : https://www.redcafe.net/threads/gam...-ban-real-death.366179/page-149#post-15821466
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Besides, as someone rightly pointed out earlier, as of now, Sam is the only one who's managed to kill a whitewalker. And in the previous episode we saw ginger not kill Gilly and the kid - how someone can just disregard these things as irrelevant is beyond me!
I would think that they've spent time on developing the story arcs of Tyrion/Jaime/Cersei etc etc over the course of the 4 seasons and they're spending time developing the Sam and Gilly storyline. I understand it is not as exciting as some of the other angles, but should they not have time to set it up and make it exciting?
Edit: this was in response to @Eboue's post : https://www.redcafe.net/threads/gam...-ban-real-death.366179/page-149#post-15821466
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Besides, as someone rightly pointed out earlier, as of now, Sam is the only one who's managed to kill a whitewalker. And in the previous episode we saw ginger not kill Gilly and the kid - how someone can just disregard these things as irrelevant is beyond me!
Absolutely loved that camera shot, very Lord Of The Rings. Heart in mouth stuff from start to finish pretty much! Also I haven't seen it mentioned yet on here about this episode, the soundtrack to accompany the attacks was perfect. So full of dread and built up the horror of the attacks. Loved the episode.
Think your both right tbh, I agree with Bamsola in that I too thought that it would be Sam with the crossbow
However what followed as all very Hollywood and bit stupid. I hate scenes like that!! I mean come on, twenty seconds earlier Jon was fighting for his life with arrows flying left, right and center. Battles all over and the minute she dies he has time to go hug her and say his last words to her... Barf!
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@Eboue I should make it clear that I don't find Sam funny and would like to see less of him, but I think you are underestimating the importance from a writers perspective of comedy/light relief.
After the intensity of The mountain VS the Viper and the brutal end to that they were never going to be able to just jump straight into a battle like the one in the last episode. Purely from a scriptwriter perspective its not a good idea not to try and give the viewer a little light relief before stoking up the intensity again. Sam is there purely for light relief and even somebody like me who would rather he died during the battle can appreciate that the reason he is there is to break up the intensity somewhat.
After the intensity of The mountain VS the Viper and the brutal end to that they were never going to be able to just jump straight into a battle like the one in the last episode. Purely from a scriptwriter perspective its not a good idea not to try and give the viewer a little light relief before stoking up the intensity again. Sam is there purely for light relief and even somebody like me who would rather he died during the battle can appreciate that the reason he is there is to break up the intensity somewhat.
You're missing the point. I'm not saying to cut them out or skip development. I'm saying do it smarter.
Brilliant episode.
Lol. Shit.
It's just how I felt after watching it yesterday. Spedning a whole episode on the battle at the wall, when we've really spent little time with any of those characters over the course of the season. I didn't feel connected to any of them, with the exception of John Snow. Every time Sam has one of those scenes where he's talking to Gilly, I just feel like fast forwarding it.
Wow.
The giants looked more believable than feckin dwarfs from newest Peter Jackson's movies. No bullshit right there. Some really crafty and wisely done practical effects during the gate storming.
Show keeps giving and one of not many episodes when we're not sentenced to endure Dany's pretentious royal accent which is nothing bad but the whole episode was a great build up before the imminent finale of the season. Bring it.
Oberyn and Ygritte. Such characters... Holy shit this is really becoming a grand beetle squashing.
The giants looked more believable than feckin dwarfs from newest Peter Jackson's movies. No bullshit right there. Some really crafty and wisely done practical effects during the gate storming.
Show keeps giving and one of not many episodes when we're not sentenced to endure Dany's pretentious royal accent which is nothing bad but the whole episode was a great build up before the imminent finale of the season. Bring it.
Oberyn and Ygritte. Such characters... Holy shit this is really becoming a grand beetle squashing.
The episode was a breeze, which says a lot considering it spent so much time with Sam. Some of the sequence of battle was wonderfully made and should be lauded. The Yigritte last moments were over dramatic though and the fact that we now have to spend another week in waiting to solve the more exciting puzzle is a bit of a downer.
Good episode, in my opinion they fecked around with too many non interesting characters. Sam and Gilly being them and feel they should have done a lot more with the fight. The giants were ace, was kind of hoping for a bigger fight though. Wanted the wall to lose and the wildlings and co to take over and keep on moving. Shame.
I liked this alternative scene ending, will spoiler just in case, I keep getting confused about the spoiler policy:
I liked this alternative scene ending, will spoiler just in case, I keep getting confused about the spoiler policy:
I thought that was one of the best episodes they've done, great from start to finish
What a load of shite that was. The first 20 minutes has to be up there as the most pointless in television history.
Thorne is brilliant. He isn't shown much but that and the "You don't know cold." scene are two of my favourites in the show.
Brilliant episode. Makes a nice change from constantly switching back and forth between different locations.
This speech made me want to go up north and fight the wildlings at Glasgow or something.
Just watched the episode from last night, excellent or as the Mrs put it "immense". Not as good as Blackwater in terms of the 'whole-episode-battle' format but thrilling stuff nonetheless and complete with deaths that actually felt like they meant something (what would GOT be without it). Think that may be the last we see of the wall for the series but could just be the beginning - Whitewalkers haven't even been touched on yet.
Great episode and looking forward to the series finale.
Great episode and looking forward to the series finale.
Is this serious?
It was such a dull and boring episode. To think this was episode 9. Pointless.
They didn't even defend the wall from danger as there are many others left. The best part was the brothers of the nights watch who defended the gate.
Did think it would have been a good ending about 30 seconds after that, but I understand that the outcome of the battle needed to be made clear.
It was a brilliant episode, get off that high horse of yours.
Sam and Gilly can feck off, annoying fecking characters.Other than that I enjoyed the episode, the huge scythe coming down on the climbers was great to watch.
Brilliantly done.
Why?! WHY?!!!!
You jinxed her man. It's all on you. Hope you can live with all that guilt.
Don't laugh at him - it's unfair to laugh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Boring and dull?!!
EDIT: Having seen the advert for next week it appears...
we haven't seen the last of Jon Snow for this series yet.
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It was a decent enough episode in a Lord of the Rings lite kind of way.
Wasn't in the least bit bothered about Ygritte dying but I was very nervous for the welfare of Ghost. I was also annoyed that we never got to see the Giant battle under the tunnel. I guess budgetary constraints was the reason for that but in fairness what they had done with the budget looked great.
2 coolest bits were the big scythe and the giants arrow lifting that dude off the wall about a mile into the air.
Wasn't in the least bit bothered about Ygritte dying but I was very nervous for the welfare of Ghost. I was also annoyed that we never got to see the Giant battle under the tunnel. I guess budgetary constraints was the reason for that but in fairness what they had done with the budget looked great.
2 coolest bits were the big scythe and the giants arrow lifting that dude off the wall about a mile into the air.
Some really good effects and moments in that episode there. Not perfect, but very good overall and an excellent battle. Not sure they did enough to build up to it considering they gave it a full episode, but it was still generally very good anyway.
Good episode in terms of purely the battle and what they pulled off for a TV show. Even better than blackwater in that respect.
What it lacked was the characters that episode had. This one had Jon Snow and... Sam who majority of the people seem to hate. Though I think he was fine in this episode. This weighed the episode down massively since stakes were pretty low. Snow was never going to die and the rest of night watchmen you did not care about at all. In Black water you still had likes of Tyrion, Bronn, Hound, Cersie, Joffery, Stannis in danger.
Eboue is right that Sam and Gilly arc from recent episodes could have been done away with entirely. Especially if they don't use it now for any future story.
Then Ginger-Snow plot line had also reached cringey levels and I was glad that she was killed ( I called it before the episode as well ). Her arc the whole season was pretty pointless and she used just as a face for the wildlings' attack.
Overall I would not say it was a boring episode in any form, the whole fight sequence was pretty gripping and you have to admire the direction of it all. The consequences of the battle are not as big as one would expect from one which encompasses a whole episode.
What it lacked was the characters that episode had. This one had Jon Snow and... Sam who majority of the people seem to hate. Though I think he was fine in this episode. This weighed the episode down massively since stakes were pretty low. Snow was never going to die and the rest of night watchmen you did not care about at all. In Black water you still had likes of Tyrion, Bronn, Hound, Cersie, Joffery, Stannis in danger.
Eboue is right that Sam and Gilly arc from recent episodes could have been done away with entirely. Especially if they don't use it now for any future story.
Then Ginger-Snow plot line had also reached cringey levels and I was glad that she was killed ( I called it before the episode as well ). Her arc the whole season was pretty pointless and she used just as a face for the wildlings' attack.
Overall I would not say it was a boring episode in any form, the whole fight sequence was pretty gripping and you have to admire the direction of it all. The consequences of the battle are not as big as one would expect from one which encompasses a whole episode.
So that's what you have to say? Deal with it. This episode was shite. A lot of others would agree with me.
What happened in this episode that none of expected?
What happened that was exciting to see?
Half of the episode was focused on that obese unfunny Samwel and his cringe worthy cliched "I promise you I wont leave" dialogues.
The battle was confusing to follow itself. In most of the scenes brothers of the nights watch were dying but in the end, they are victorious?
This season has been the worst, but still had some good episodes. This particular one was low quality, repetitive trash.
Was begging for him and his girl to die. Literally..