Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

[Ruht]

I just wrote that Jon could have sent someone to Stannis to try and convince him to come to help . That's far from referring to Stannis saving the wall . I mainly picked Stannis, because I have no clue what he's up to these days.

I really want them to make his character more interesting, somehow. Right now I find him so mind-numbingly boring, the only saving grace is seeing the witch naked. Saying that, it doesn't sound so bad I guess.

I'm going to watch the episode in a bit but I couldn't contain my excitement so I had to check the thread.

 

[Suli]

The nod .

Anyone else think it would be Sam?

 

[KM]

Any episode which makes Sam like an interesting character is a good one.

Can't really see why people are moaning about it. This was excellent.

 

[KM]

Also that 360 degree scene which ended with Sam releasing the Ghost was pretty incredible. Brilliant stuff.

 

[bosnian_red]

Any episode which makes Sam like an interesting character is a good one.

Can't really see why people are moaning about it. This was excellent.

I'm starting to think that people will moan at every episode that a major character doesn't get killed.

 

[R.N7]

It was all a bit like a shit Lord of the Rings.

"You know nothing Jon Snow", major cringe at that and the kid shooting her was just so predictable.

 

[Ashwin]

Also that 360 degree scene which ended with Sam releasing the Ghost was pretty incredible. Brilliant stuff.

Ghost and Bran's wolf (forgot the name) - are they the only 2 alive?

 

[Trizy]

Why are some people not impressed? This was one if not the best episode in my opinion so far. I haven't read the books but the 3rd and 4th season are meant to be the 1 book right? so if this episode made ''little story progress'' then that's because there isn't much story left to fill.

I can't imagine next weeks episode will tie up any stories or progress further in others, it'll just leave his with cliff hangers to get us back.

 

[harms]

Ghost and Bran's wolf (forgot the name) - are they the only 2 alive?

Summer, I think, and the younger Stark (something with an "R") still have his wolf too?

 

[Moby]

Ghost and Bran's wolf (forgot the name) - are they the only 2 alive?

Afaik only two have died, that is Sansa's (killed by Ned) and Robb's (killed at the red wedding). So that should leave 5.

 

[Trizy]

Anyone else think it would be Sam?

Haha I thought it was Sam alright considering he gave them impression that he was feeling badass after killing the bald dude.

 

[Ashwin]

Summer, I think, and the younger Stark (something with an "R") still have his wolf too?

Rickon?

 

[Ashwin]

Afaik only two have died, that is Sansa's (killed by Ned) and Robb's (killed at the red wedding). So that should leave 5.

Wait. I remember those 2 and we have seen Bran's and Ghost - that's 4.

There's just Arya's and Rickon's left unaccounted for - where's that 5 coming from?

 

[Feeky Magee]

Danerys is the weakest part of the show. Every scene with her in it is so boring and filled with dreary dialogue.

Danaerys might be the most boring tv character ever

She's a dull self-righteous bitch, every scene she's in is boring with boring characters and terrible dialogues. Her story never gets anywhere.

The CGI dragons have more charisma than Emilia Clarke. Terrible actress.

Bit of a nothing episode that.

Dull episode yet again.

Third filler episode in a row.

The tedious repetitions and conversations could probably fill two episode by itself.

The show isn't well written enough to warrant meandering like this.

What did you think was "great" about that episode, besides the ending?

The only character that hasn't been a total bore this season.

She lacks the charisma to carry that arc, and it doesn't help that all her scenes are tedious with insufferable dialogue.

It was all a bit like a shit Lord of the Rings.

"You know nothing Jon Snow", major cringe at that and the kid shooting her was just so predictable.

Why do you watch this show

 

[Moby]

Wait. I remember those 2 and we have seen Bran's and Ghost - that's 4.

There just Arya and Rickon left - where's that 5 coming from?

Sorry, my bad. Yes, 4 should be left.

 

[Ashwin]

Sorry, my bad. Yes, 4 should be left.

Ok. I thought Arya's wolf got killed sometime in the 1st season too. If not, then where's Arya's wolf? What point in the show did they split up?

I hate GRRM for creating such an expansive plot

 

[walsh]

Why do you watch this show

My thoughts exactly, and not to just to that poster

How fecking cool was the scythe thing they used on the Wall? fecking incredible.

 

[Nighteyes]

Why do you watch this show

 

[Moby]

Ok. I thought Arya's wolf got killed sometime in the 1st season too. If not, then where's Arya's wolf? What point in the show did they split up?

If I remember correctly, soon after Arya's wolf bit Joffrey, she set the wolf free into the wild so that he won't be killed. Because of that Sansa's wolf, Lady, was killed.

Don't think we have seen that wolf since.

 

[Moby]

Why do you watch this show

 

[walsh]

As others have mentioned, the scene where the camera panned 360 just before Sam released Ghost was fantastically well done.

 

[Ashwin]

If I remember correctly, soon after Arya's wolf bit Joffrey, she set the wolf free into the wild so that he won't be killed. Because of that Sansa's wolf, Lady, was killed.

Don't think we have seen that wolf since.

Ah ok.. that makes sense!

I hope GRRM doesn't just bring that wolf back at some critical point in the plot to save Arya or someone! That'd be bad.


Also, the scythe thingy - did they say that they'd roll it back in after using it once? In that case, how do they camouflage it for later use? Or is it a use once and done thingy?

 

[Moby]

Not sure about that.

 

[R.N7]

Why do you watch this show

Because the show used to be better than it has been this season, one of the worst seasons of a major show I can think of.

I really hope Tyrion dies just to see all the blind praise turn into hate.

 

[walsh]

Because the show used to be better than it has been this season, one of the worst seasons of a major show I can think of.

I really hope Tyrion dies just to see all the blind praise turn into hate.

 

[Ashwin]

Because the show used to be better than it has been this season, one of the worst seasons of a major show I can think of.

I really hope Tyrion dies just to see all the blind praise turn into hate.

 

[Suli]

Ah ok.. that makes sense!

I hope GRRM doesn't just bring that wolf back at some critical point in the plot to save Arya or someone! That'd be bad.


Also, the scythe thingy - did they say that they'd roll it back in after using it once? In that case, how do they camouflage it for later use? Or is it a use once and done thingy?

Does it need camouflaging? I mean, it still has its use!

 

[walsh]

I want to know if this guy is still rowing his boat?

Spoiler

 

[harms]

Rickon?

That's the one, yes. His wolf is still alive, yes?

 

[harms]

I want to know if this guy is still rowing his boat?

Spoiler

 

[Pexbo]

Spoiler: Speculation

Jon's conversation with Mance will be interesting (if we see it this season, that ending felt like it was wrapped up and left on a cliffhanger for this season). Mance used to be on the wall himself IIRC so you wonder if he will recognise Snow's fears and come to a deal with him. The north has been lost to Bolton now (although I don't think Snow knows this yet) so perhaps the unthinkable could happen and the Crows could fight with the wildlings to defeat Bolton and his army. The fact Snow and Mance could see eye to eye and relate to each other before might see forces combine, Mance knows the Crows are honest people and what they stand for and Snow knows the Wildlings are honest people deep down too and have been forced back behind the wall against their will, they feel they have a right to the north too (I might have some of this wrong though?)

 

[Ashwin]

Does it need camouflaging? I mean, it still has its use!

I thought that it took the wildlings by surprise. Didn't it sort of come out from within the wall?

That's the one, yes. His wolf is still alive, yes?

Going by @Aldo's post, it should be.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Little boy killing the redhead is a bit too storybook for me.

How was this death storybook? At the end of the day the boy took up a weapon on Sam's orders in the middle of a skirmish and had probably been watching Jon Snow throughout the battle as a couple of minutes earlier he has rolled out of the elevator and into the middle of the battle. It was completely logical and to be honest when it happened I expected to see that Sam had somehow come back to the battle and fired that arrow(which would be storybook). It didn't seem storybook to me in the slightest.

I don't mind violence in GoT but this seemed kinda pointless. Tried too hard to be the Blackwater of the north, without any of that episode's tension and timing. Really hope this is a one-off and not an indication of what more is to come. The only thing that sorta could have saved it, didn't happen.

The difference between this battle and Blackwater is that the two armies fighting in Blackwater were filled with trained soldiers led by well trained commanders and so tactical measures would have come into play.

The wildlings are not a trained army, they are made up of tribes of barbarians so much like the opening of Gladiator (where there is a similar skirmish between one army and a barbarian tribe) this was always gonna be less tactical and more brutal. The Wildlings don't really have it within them to fight a tactical battle at distance or employ anything other than brute strength and numbers to achieve their aims and The Nights Watch are a poorly trained band of mostly outcast, criminals and vagabonds. This was never going to be a chess like display of combat for those reasons hence the lack of timing or slow tension(there was still tension in IMHO), this was always going to be brutal up close warfare and for that reason I'm not sure how anybody could be disappointed with what was served up.

 

[Suli]

I thought that it took the wildlings by surprise. Didn't it sort of come out from within the wall?

Yeah it did come out of the wall but I'm saying that without being hidden, it is still very useful as a weapon. The wildlings won't be able to stop it from smashing them, whether they know it's there or not.

 

[Ashwin]

Isn't it like a (half) pendulum of sorts? So I'm assuming that if the wildlings know/can see when/where it's starting to swing they can time their ascent or something?

Or am I over-thinking this

 

[Eboue]

This annoying response to anyone who dates criticize the show is obnoxious and breaking bad esque. This season is ten hours long. We are essentially spending 10% of that on Sam talking to Gilly, Sam making eyes and Gilly, Gilly talking to Sam, Gilly talking about Sam, Gilly and Sam choosing a name for the baby, Sam talking to other people about Gilly, Sam moaning in self pity because of Gilly, Sam talking about what makes Gilly so interesting. It's fecking tedious. The show has some excellent characters and plots, but it could use an editor with several red pens. I realize they are trying to be faithful to the show and juggle all the plots at once but look, some of the plots can be dropped for a while.

 

[Eboue]

I want to know if this guy is still rowing his boat?

Spoiler

This is unresolved but we constantly get updates about Danerys and yet another city or Sam and Gilly being obnoxious teenagers.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Why do you watch this show

I've been wondering the same myself.

 

[Ashwin]

Oh c'mon Eboue! I don't like the Sam-Gilly plot too, but you can't expect the show makers to just show the "highlights" of the books.

If you're only interested to know what happens to Tyrion or whoever else that is alive right now, then may be you should just ask someone from the "B" team to tell you just the "interesting parts" of the storyline.

 

[Feeky Magee]

This annoying response to anyone who dates criticize the show is obnoxious and breaking bad esque. This season is ten hours long. We are essentially spending 10% of that on Sam talking to Gilly, Sam making eyes and Gilly, Gilly talking to Sam, Gilly talking about Sam, Gilly and Sam choosing a name for the baby, Sam talking to other people about Gilly, Sam moaning in self pity because of Gilly, Sam talking about what makes Gilly so interesting. It's fecking tedious. The show has some excellent characters and plots, but it could use an editor with several red pens. I realize they are trying to be faithful to the show and juggle all the plots at once but look, some of the plots can be dropped for a while.

It's not about someone "daring to criticise", it's someone who's done almost exclusively that right from the start. Sam is clearly an important character, and it was through his and Gilly's plot that a method to kill White Walkers has been established, arguably the most important development of the show thus far, given how the threat of the White Walkers has been depicted.