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The books are pretty much in shambles themselves, he'd be lucky to find his way out of the mess he has created into an ending like this, let alone a better one.
God, he's never going to finish it.
The amount of feckall sideplots in there. 
Rushing seasons 7 & 8 might be the greatest bit of PR/marketing in history where book sales are concerned. That’s as long as Martin lives long enough to finish them.
With his method of writing (inventing people, letting them meet, and then let things play out based on their personalities), I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with the characters and story in a place quite different from what he told the show runners years ago. With him, events happen because of characters actions, in the show towards the end we always had characters act in a certain (more often than not, dumb) way to make events happen that the writers wanted to happen. Maybe he finds during writing that his characters do not lead his plot along the lines of his originally envisioned story.
Just remembering Roberts war was based on the lie neds sister was killed by a targ.
Had to use my mum's copy of the books to follow the family trees at the start
Had to use my mum's copy of the books to follow the family trees at the start
kidnapped
How did ned tell everyone she died again?
You are just a hater
The war was already over by then; the rebellion had broken out after Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared together, so she certainly was presumed alive.
That's actually a good question, don't think that's been mentioned anywhere unless I completely missed it. Always been the kidnapping/raping etc that's been mentioned.
So long ago, only vaguely remember bits
Yea thats what i mean. She died given birth to Jon, but what was the story that everyone was told?
People talk about the jumping if scenes. In episode 1 ned gets the raven that Robert is coming. Next scene he is there which was 5p days later
Yep, they showed some journeys day by day, some ended in minutes. In season 1 Rob's battles started and ended in the same episode.
Yea these issues aren't anything new. They are just magnified because the show got so big
First of all this isn't me saying your opinion is wrong. Your opinion is just that and everyone is entitled to theirs I'm just giving my view on those questions.1. Bran being king is a big feck you to all of us.
2. The north seceding makes no sense (more so when a stark is the king!)
3. Jon's storyline makes no sense. fecking knightswatch ? No mention of him being the rightful heir...feck off
4. Why would the unsullied give up tyrion or jon ? Nonsense. Both should have been executed on sight.
5. Dany didn't seem mental enough to be murdered. Infact she seemed saner this episode than the previous one. On the other hand the council that elected bran as king behaved like imbeciles.
6. Bron blackmails his way to become the richest man in kingdom (->
7. How come that fat twat samwell is on the small council. Did D&D forget he's in the nightswatch ?
8. Why wouldn't Drogon not burn jon ? Why would he melt the iron throne instead ? and why would he just fly away ? Basically the writers were clueless.
9. What was the purpose of Arya coming to KL ????
10. Podrick in the kingsguard (-><-)
1. I have no problem with Bran on the throne. I think he will do a good job. Plus it's David and Dan's interpretation of GRRM's story. He can put who he wants on the throne and they can show that how ever they want.
2. The North has always wanted it's independence. They will not always have a Stark as ruler of the 7 or 6 kingdoms so there is no better time than now to get what they want.
3. I'm not sure if there really is a Night's Watch. He's been allowed to go north of the wall. I think he will live out his time with Tormund's clan in a simpler life that is more in keeping with his worldview. They wouldn't tell him that because he can't lie.
4. Maybe they wanted to live. There is a large army of north men out side the city who haven't attacked because Jon is alive. I can see no other reason for them meeting with the leaders of the main houses of the 7 kingdoms apart for the fact they don't want to die for nothing.
5. Someone said in a watch along that I saw that she was just like Stalin. Her destruction of King's Landing mirrored the Russian destruction of Berlin and now she was looking at world domination and pretty much told Jon she would kill anybody who didn't step in line.
6. Yeah this was dumb but not dumb enough to destroy the episode for me.
7. As I said I don't think there actually is a Night's Watch. If there is he's the last of the Tarly's and has 2 children to look after that's not going to happen on the wall. As Stannis said to Jon the King can relieve someone of their obligation to the Night's Watch.
8. Because he's a Targ and the Dragons have an affinity with the Targs. The throne was his queen's obsession that ended up getting her killed. Probably taking her back to Valyria.
9. She was a false lead. They can't only have one option to kill Dany or everyone will know who is going to do it.
10. At least you know he will be loyal.
Just noticed that Tyrion's big speech to Jon in the last episode was a ripoff from the famous poem "first they came for the socialists".
There probably wasn't much wrong with Season 8 on paper. It just needed 3 seasons to do it.
Season 8 - The Night King and his armies invade and destroy half of the 7 kingdoms. There needs to be at least 3 big battle here, including the destruction of Winterfell. He is finally stopped by the united armies of all Westeros including Lanisters, Starks, Grey Joys, Rohirrim, Star Fleet, etc, rally together to stop him. Bran accidentally becomes the night king as he wargs back in time to stop the night king in the past and has to be killed by John Snow (That theory is just better)
Season 9 - Immediately at the end of the war with the night king, Cersei betrays Danny and butchers a large part of her army. Danny loses some battles to Cersei (her Dragons can't be everywhere, and Tyrion has held back her dragons power to save civilian lives). A long war of attrition ensues, and Danny slowly pushes Cersei back to Kings Landing. The North - tiring of fighting another's war (and wanting to return home to rebuild following the Night Kings wrath), sends a delegation into Kings Landing to negotiate a power-sharing/surrender deal. (The idea being that Cersei can live her life out, holding power in Casterly Rock). Danny launches a surprise attack and destroys Kings Landing in an attempt to end the war and to finally rid the world of Cersei. [This needs to be much more marginal than in the show, whether it was right or night, and should have brought up parallels to Hiroshima/Nagasaki etc.] The North and some of the other regions declare independence after their Nobels and men are killed in the destruction.
Season 10 - Danny realises that the advice of Tyrion had led her to lose battles again and again because he's weak-hearted. Finding out he tried to save his brother in Kings Landing, she locks him away. John Snow initially argues that Danny had to do what she did, but wrestles with his consciousness. He goes to the North to ask them again to bend the knee to Danny. They reject his offer, and he returns to Danny empty-handed. Unknown to him, she launches a surprise attack on several castles held by the North and their allies. The Castles are destroyed either by armies or dragon fire but some Nobels survive as they prepared for such eventualities with deep underground tunnels. John and Danny prepare for their wedding. Sansa and Arya create a plan to use her many face abilities to kill Danny. But to do that they will have to kill their brother first. The Starks meet John in secret and beg him for his help. He says they shouldn't have betrayed their Queen, and if they bend the knee once more he will beg her to forgive them. They beg him to reconsider but he refuses. Arya can't bring herself to kill John. Tyrion is executed in his cell along with thousands of others. John and Danny arrive for their wedding. John goes to kiss Danny and plunges a dagger into her heart.
A few changes there - but mostly sticking to the same script - but I think with much deeper emotional consequences. The whole thing was rushed
My thoughts on the last ep:
An average ep to end an average season.
Jon went from The Invincible to Wenger Out in the space of an ad break. All he had to say was "she went somewhere with the dragon, she'll be back. I'm the Captain now".
Dany, all powerful woman, dies because she loves the dick too much ffs. They made such a big deal about Jon being her biggest threat, yet she drops her guard so quickly.
Sansa is a cnut.
Arya will get spin off. Funny when she says "I know a killer when I see one" towards Dany. Yes, we all just saw her destroy a city
And the 3-eyed raver is king hahaha. Every other Kingdom will be sharpening their knives. Bran the broken will know they're about to attack but say feck all to his men. Once they're all destroyed, he'll say "I knew that was gonna happen". fecking Captain Hindsight.
An average ep to end an average season.
Jon went from The Invincible to Wenger Out in the space of an ad break. All he had to say was "she went somewhere with the dragon, she'll be back. I'm the Captain now".
Dany, all powerful woman, dies because she loves the dick too much ffs. They made such a big deal about Jon being her biggest threat, yet she drops her guard so quickly.
Sansa is a cnut.
Arya will get spin off. Funny when she says "I know a killer when I see one" towards Dany. Yes, we all just saw her destroy a city
And the 3-eyed raver is king hahaha. Every other Kingdom will be sharpening their knives. Bran the broken will know they're about to attack but say feck all to his men. Once they're all destroyed, he'll say "I knew that was gonna happen". fecking Captain Hindsight.
My thoughts on the last ep:
An average ep to end an average season.
Jon went from The Invincible to Wenger Out in the space of an ad break. All he had to say was "she went somewhere with the dragon, she'll be back. I'm the Captain now".
Dany, all powerful woman, dies because she loves the dick too much ffs. They made such a big deal about Jon being her biggest threat, yet she drops her guard so quickly.
Sansa is a cnut.
Arya will get spin off. Funny when she says "I know a killer when I see one" towards Dany. Yes, we all just saw her destroy a city
And the 3-eyed raver is king hahaha. Every other Kingdom will be sharpening their knives. Bran the broken will know they're about to attack but say feck all to his men. Once they're all destroyed, he'll say "I knew that was gonna happen". fecking Captain Hindsight.
I quite liked that actuallyJust noticed that Tyrion's big speech to Jon in the last episode was a ripoff from the famous poem "first they came for the socialists".
My thoughts on the last ep:
An average ep to end an average season.
Jon went from The Invincible to Wenger Out in the space of an ad break. All he had to say was "she went somewhere with the dragon, she'll be back. I'm the Captain now".
Dany, all powerful woman, dies because she loves the dick too much ffs. They made such a big deal about Jon being her biggest threat, yet she drops her guard so quickly.
Sansa is a cnut.
Arya will get spin off. Funny when she says "I know a killer when I see one" towards Dany. Yes, we all just saw her destroy a city
And the 3-eyed raver is king hahaha. Every other Kingdom will be sharpening their knives. Bran the broken will know they're about to attack but say feck all to his men. Once they're all destroyed, he'll say "I knew that was gonna happen". fecking Captain Hindsight.
Of course, it is a very good, very haunting poem.
My thoughts on the last ep:
An average ep to end an average season.
Jon went from The Invincible to Wenger Out in the space of an ad break. All he had to say was "she went somewhere with the dragon, she'll be back. I'm the Captain now".
Dany, all powerful woman, dies because she loves the dick too much ffs. They made such a big deal about Jon being her biggest threat, yet she drops her guard so quickly.
Sansa is a cnut.
Arya will get spin off. Funny when she says "I know a killer when I see one" towards Dany. Yes, we all just saw her destroy a city
And the 3-eyed raver is king hahaha. Every other Kingdom will be sharpening their knives. Bran the broken will know they're about to attack but say feck all to his men. Once they're all destroyed, he'll say "I knew that was gonna happen". fecking Captain Hindsight.
He's too honourable to lie like that. But yeah thats what i would have done.
He has said it will and he has no reason to change now after all these years for a show he probably doesn't watch .
It's his story so he will think any backlash now is down to the shows pacing and Bran not being in it enough.
My thoughts on the last ep:
An average ep to end an average season.
Jon went from The Invincible to Wenger Out in the space of an ad break. All he had to say was "she went somewhere with the dragon, she'll be back. I'm the Captain now".
Dany, all powerful woman, dies because she loves the dick too much ffs. They made such a big deal about Jon being her biggest threat, yet she drops her guard so quickly.
Sansa is a cnut.
Arya will get spin off. Funny when she says "I know a killer when I see one" towards Dany. Yes, we all just saw her destroy a city
And the 3-eyed raver is king hahaha. Every other Kingdom will be sharpening their knives. Bran the broken will know they're about to attack but say feck all to his men. Once they're all destroyed, he'll say "I knew that was gonna happen". fecking Captain Hindsight.
Quality post.If you didn't hate City so much you'd be my fave poster on here. Agree with every word you have in this thread. Nailed it much better than I ever could.
One thing I do wonder though even though I'm not one to defend D&D is how much HBO had to say one getting the show finished and how that affected their writing. It seems clear they were told you have x amount and not a cent more.
Misquoted GoT scenes:
https://imgur.com/gallery/CTl2Y5d
This is fantastic, solid gold
(Many many more like this in the linked album)
https://imgur.com/gallery/CTl2Y5d
This is fantastic, solid gold
(Many many more like this in the linked album)
Some great ideas, and proving the point everyone has a problem with: Season 8 was too rushed (7 too btw.). And im not even talking about a few episodes. Just as you, i think it should have been 1 or probably even 2 more seasons. 10 episodes each.
So much wasted potential. A real shame.
Dragons are smart in Game of Thrones. A quote from Tyrion
"Dragons are intelligent, more intelligent than men according to some Maesters. They have affection for their friends and fury for their enemies."
Doubt its actions were accidental or coincidental
@Redlambs is so closely associated to Bran it's heartwarming to see. Man wanted the entire series to be Bran's dream after the fall, which we still can't completely say wasn't the case. He's dreaming about being a king, will soon wake up to Hodor having a wank sat next to him.
That's because in GoT land there only seems to be about ten high Lords or noble families. It makes sense to streamline it a little so that we don't have to deal with eighteeneleventy bigizillion characters, but it makes Westeros seem emptier.
Just seen the final episode. Can't recall ever watching a show where it shone through just how eager the writers were to wrap it up and go home.
This was a minimal viable product delivery
The difference in quality of this series once Martins writing ran out is absolutely staggering. D&D will leave this with a rancid reputation.
This was a minimal viable product delivery
The difference in quality of this series once Martins writing ran out is absolutely staggering. D&D will leave this with a rancid reputation.
It's not terribly far fetched scenario in medieval times where population density was much less - sometimes war, disease or famine simply a land more or less empty till someone else moves in.
The alternative to advanced feudal rule would not be anarchy but simply dissolution of society on a grander scale than self governed villaged.
It’s neat that the ‘game of thrones’ was won by someone who was sitting in one the entire time. I guess that was the point of the entire plot.
The thing is, the idea wasn't bad the execution was.
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