The more I think about this last episode the more I dislike it.
What an absolute mess it was
What an absolute mess it was
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I echo the sentiment of everyone here. Great effects and cinematography, but the rushed writing past Dany getting murdered was terrible. I felt it would have been more moving if Jon and Dany had expressed a few more words between them when she was dying.
Tyrion the prisoner picking the king based on Brann having a good story, but how much as Brann actually done for westeros and who cares about it him? Telling Jon his heritage turned Dany paranoid and psycho. The only useful thing he did with his more less omniscience was telling Dany that the NK has her undead dragon and telling the lords that littlefinger was instrumental in betraying Ned. Why would the rest of the 7 kingdoms care about him really?
And the thing about Brann being a suitable king, because of his more or less omniscience beggars belief, when he we see the small council meeting. Bronn, now lord of the reach, rewarded for treatening Tyrion and Jaime with their lives, is probaly the most powerful lord in westeros and is master of coin. What excatly in any way makes Bronn suitable for that position? Of course lots of stuff about whore houses and all that, that's what the dialoge has been reduced to even in the finale. And why do they need a master of whisperes? Wasn't the whole point of breaking the wheel about making an end to all the plotting and scheming that poisoned the kingdom?
Brann already knew he was going to become king apparently, he didn't want to rule the north, but want to rule the kingdom fair enough. But couldn't he have used his knowing of the future to ensure that Dany didn't become a paranoid psycho by either not telling Jon his heritage or swearing him to secrecy.
Why wouldn't Sansa that bitch led Edmure speak? He is one the last lords of the great houses.
If Sansa wants the north to become an independent kingdom, why not the rest? We could see from the war of the 5 kings that most of them craved independence. The greyjoys wan't to be their own kings. Dorne was the last kingdom to surrender to Aegon, why should they not want indepence? What do they care about Brann and the Starks?
Why does Tyrion say that the Reach is empty? Just because the Tyrrels don't rule anymore doesn't mean that the lands aren't full of millions or hundreds of thousands people. Oh and since Bronn rules highgarden, Tyrion can't just give the reach to Greyworm(who can't father children anyway).
The whole "Aye" thing was cringeworthy.
Would Tyrion really make a good hand of the king? He's been hand twice already and was a terrible hand for Dany even if his heart was in the right place.
And does electing a king or a queen ensure peace? The whole thing about game of thrones is politics and powerful people want what's best for themselves. So what if they can't agree on a king or queen, what keeps them from going to war against eachother again?
Nobody mentions that Jon is actually the rightful heir to the throne so him being the last targaryan means nothing really and it seems his linage will die with him since he can't father children unless he breaks his vows which maybe he does.
If Greyworm and the dothraki are fecking off from westeros anyway can't Jon be pardoned for his crimes? It seemed like everyone wanted him to be king before.
Sansa the genius mastermind becomes the Queen in the north. Fair enough since she's the rightful heir, I think anyway, but what bitch she's become. And no she's not a super intelligent player. The only worthwhile thing she did was to call on littleifnger and the vale to assist them.
There wasn't really all that much mention of the fact that King's landing, all it buildings were more or less burned down and the whole population alive. It would be job of a life time to restore the capital to it's former glory.
It's a shame that the producers just wanted to get the whole thing over and done with. It could have used at least 2 more seasons. Everything just felt crushed and rammed in and several characters ruined. Jaime reverts back to being a guy who doesn't care about the population of kings landing despite before saving them all by killing Aerys and the pyromancer. And he goes back to die with his sister who's plotted to have him murdered.
Wonder what happened to Dany and her corpse. I suppose Jon being the truthful guy he is just told greyworm flat out that he murdered her and drogon flew of with his corpse.
What's goal of the night watch now? The wildings are allies to westeros and the others have been defeated. Who are they guarding the realm against now?
Tyrion the prisoner picking the king based on Brann having a good story, but how much as Brann actually done for westeros and who cares about it him? Telling Jon his heritage turned Dany paranoid and psycho. The only useful thing he did with his more less omniscience was telling Dany that the NK has her undead dragon and telling the lords that littlefinger was instrumental in betraying Ned. Why would the rest of the 7 kingdoms care about him really?
And the thing about Brann being a suitable king, because of his more or less omniscience beggars belief, when he we see the small council meeting. Bronn, now lord of the reach, rewarded for treatening Tyrion and Jaime with their lives, is probaly the most powerful lord in westeros and is master of coin. What excatly in any way makes Bronn suitable for that position? Of course lots of stuff about whore houses and all that, that's what the dialoge has been reduced to even in the finale. And why do they need a master of whisperes? Wasn't the whole point of breaking the wheel about making an end to all the plotting and scheming that poisoned the kingdom?
Brann already knew he was going to become king apparently, he didn't want to rule the north, but want to rule the kingdom fair enough. But couldn't he have used his knowing of the future to ensure that Dany didn't become a paranoid psycho by either not telling Jon his heritage or swearing him to secrecy.
Why wouldn't Sansa that bitch led Edmure speak? He is one the last lords of the great houses.
If Sansa wants the north to become an independent kingdom, why not the rest? We could see from the war of the 5 kings that most of them craved independence. The greyjoys wan't to be their own kings. Dorne was the last kingdom to surrender to Aegon, why should they not want indepence? What do they care about Brann and the Starks?
Why does Tyrion say that the Reach is empty? Just because the Tyrrels don't rule anymore doesn't mean that the lands aren't full of millions or hundreds of thousands people. Oh and since Bronn rules highgarden, Tyrion can't just give the reach to Greyworm(who can't father children anyway).
The whole "Aye" thing was cringeworthy.
Would Tyrion really make a good hand of the king? He's been hand twice already and was a terrible hand for Dany even if his heart was in the right place.
And does electing a king or a queen ensure peace? The whole thing about game of thrones is politics and powerful people want what's best for themselves. So what if they can't agree on a king or queen, what keeps them from going to war against eachother again?
Nobody mentions that Jon is actually the rightful heir to the throne so him being the last targaryan means nothing really and it seems his linage will die with him since he can't father children unless he breaks his vows which maybe he does.
If Greyworm and the dothraki are fecking off from westeros anyway can't Jon be pardoned for his crimes? It seemed like everyone wanted him to be king before.
Sansa the genius mastermind becomes the Queen in the north. Fair enough since she's the rightful heir, I think anyway, but what bitch she's become. And no she's not a super intelligent player. The only worthwhile thing she did was to call on littleifnger and the vale to assist them.
There wasn't really all that much mention of the fact that King's landing, all it buildings were more or less burned down and the whole population alive. It would be job of a life time to restore the capital to it's former glory.
It's a shame that the producers just wanted to get the whole thing over and done with. It could have used at least 2 more seasons. Everything just felt crushed and rammed in and several characters ruined. Jaime reverts back to being a guy who doesn't care about the population of kings landing despite before saving them all by killing Aerys and the pyromancer. And he goes back to die with his sister who's plotted to have him murdered.
Wonder what happened to Dany and her corpse. I suppose Jon being the truthful guy he is just told greyworm flat out that he murdered her and drogon flew of with his corpse.
What's goal of the night watch now? The wildings are allies to westeros and the others have been defeated. Who are they guarding the realm against now?
We still only have Brans say on what his powers and motivations though. For all we know he's lied and has a Dr Strange type power where he can foresee different outcomes and has always chosen the outcome that ends with him being the King. This is how I'll interpret GoT ending anyway, him being a Littlefinger type character outplaying everyone in the show would be a fantastic finish. If you challenge this theory i'll eat your soul as it's the only way i'm able to enjoy this finale.
This is my thinking too
hes a evil genius ever since he got corrupted by meeting the OG 3ER. He saw everything, he saw how to get power, and it involved wiping out Dany, removing the rightful heir, and making them take each other out, and taking out the NK (as well as LF and Varys who would be the only ones smart enough to figure it out)
It would have made a ton more sense if Jon stayed true to Dany under the condition that the north is given autonomy.
The final dialogues with everyone mocking the idea of democracy and then Bronn on the king's council making utterly dumb jokes put the shit on top of the trash sundae that this season served up.
The final dialogues with everyone mocking the idea of democracy and then Bronn on the king's council making utterly dumb jokes put the shit on top of the trash sundae that this season served up.
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Can't look at Robyn Arryn without picturing him sucking his mum's tit.
This is my thinking too
hes a evil genius ever since he got corrupted by meeting the OG 3ER. He saw everything, he saw how to get power, and it involved wiping out Dany, removing the rightful heir, and making them take each other out, and taking out the NK (as well as LF and Varys who would be the only ones smart enough to figure it out)
I mean clearly that was not their intention otherwise they'd have hinted at it slightly. But we can grip onto that theory for the rest of our lives. I'd have really enjoyed that ending too. Would have made him talking to Littlefinger and repeating "chaos is a ladder" to him a beautiful, beautiful moment.
And his line about needing a master of whispers, considering he can see everything would be even more evil genius set to confuse everybody on his council.
Bran has no powers to see the future unless the plot decides he needs to it makes no sense. All of this I'm not bran... I'm the three eye raven, I'm just here to preserve memories, I have no wants I only know what's happening now and in the past, I wasn't sure if aria was going to go to King's landing or travel to winterfell but guess what I knew!!! ... I knew Tyrian was going to come out of his weeks long solitude and start asking for a new king to negotiate his release and I also knew he would fancy me to do it because apparently I have an awesome story, much more fabulous than everyone elses. And you know WHAT? I don't mind this whole King gig. I'm going to be awesome even though I have no experience in leading anyone except for that one time I was Lord of winterfell for a month and sent all our forces into a decoy which led to winterfell being captured and forced me into excile.
Would also have meant that him revealing Jons parentage was simply another tool for him to cause mischief and it was done with bad intentions. Thus when he finds out Jon is actually the legit heir, he had a lightbulb moment of "oooooh, I can totally use this...!!"
Yep, as I said, Jon and Dany were the issues, so he found a way to take them both out and have no real heirs to contend with.
And NK was trying to save humanity fromhis evilness.
Arya has realised this, but knows she cant kill her own brother, so thinks fck it, im off.
Sansa was promised the north hence why she wanted Dany gone too and helped plant the seeds too.
Still doesn't change what was meant by him not wanting anything anymore. Which was my only point regarding that tweet.
I'm not a fanatic in any way, I just generally enjoyed the show (or so I did, up until season 8)
I reckon it's a bit the exams in school where you had to choose between different texts and write a short story based on the initial content, you start off mint but reach a point where you're just fecking desperate to finish so you basically just conclude with "the end"
Which is more or less what Season 8 feels like, desperation to finish off as quickly as possible. Like a certain mad queen, it's not that I mind the final outcome, I'm just annoyed by how they got there. Her character development in Season 8 is more based on ideas they started creating in Season 8, not something they've gradually built. The sudden worries from her closest allies were more or less introduced this season. When the majority say that they had a feeling this would happen, well, it's because they've been trying to spell it out since the season started, especially in that very episode with Tyrion mentioning the bells in every single scene. The fecking Night King
So many important scenes have been removed, like not letting us see how Arya and Sansa react when Jon tell them who he actually is. I mean, surely this should've been one of the most important scenes in that episode....Feels like a piss poor soap opera, where they would constantly cut scenes when something dramatic was told so the viewer would wait for the reaction during the 5 min commercial, yet we're left with nothing. We're left without actually seeing how they react to being told that Jon is a Targaryen. It's more or less the same with Bran, suddenly he was just accepted as having special powers without anyone actually questioning it, every single scene where we prayed for some answers we were left with about feck all, usually with some random bloke suddenly popping up to roll Bran away mid sentence.
Bizarre.
I reckon it's a bit the exams in school where you had to choose between different texts and write a short story based on the initial content, you start off mint but reach a point where you're just fecking desperate to finish so you basically just conclude with "the end"
Which is more or less what Season 8 feels like, desperation to finish off as quickly as possible. Like a certain mad queen, it's not that I mind the final outcome, I'm just annoyed by how they got there. Her character development in Season 8 is more based on ideas they started creating in Season 8, not something they've gradually built. The sudden worries from her closest allies were more or less introduced this season. When the majority say that they had a feeling this would happen, well, it's because they've been trying to spell it out since the season started, especially in that very episode with Tyrion mentioning the bells in every single scene. The fecking Night King
So many important scenes have been removed, like not letting us see how Arya and Sansa react when Jon tell them who he actually is. I mean, surely this should've been one of the most important scenes in that episode....Feels like a piss poor soap opera, where they would constantly cut scenes when something dramatic was told so the viewer would wait for the reaction during the 5 min commercial, yet we're left with nothing. We're left without actually seeing how they react to being told that Jon is a Targaryen. It's more or less the same with Bran, suddenly he was just accepted as having special powers without anyone actually questioning it, every single scene where we prayed for some answers we were left with about feck all, usually with some random bloke suddenly popping up to roll Bran away mid sentence.
Bizarre.
And the point of my reply is
"The point is that he knew what would and had happened and therefore what was to be was to be. "
This is not actually true... Bran doesn't know what woild happen and what was to be.... He only knows what happened in the past or what's currently happening if he uses his bird spys. He doesn't even know where Drogon is. He knows feck all
Nah not really, he died in the hands of the woman he loved.
Predetermined as opposed to him having omniscient clairvoyance. Hence all the "you did what you needed to to be here" nonsense and "want" being meaningless.
There's definitely inferences he could perceive aspects of what was to come and he certainly has suggested that he knew events would occur broadly as they did, including his quip about being offered the Kingship.
It was not, in any respect, terribly well done or explained.
One could say that for just about every aspect of the season.
Well, having your gimp baby brother as the king of the realm kinda helps.
This. It can be pieced together with a bit of careful thinking and remembering but for a show of this magnititude it really should have had an absolute minimum of another half dozen episodes to get it all out.
In any case I enjoyed it even with the flaws.
Apparently the original title for the last book was 'A Time of Wolves' so the Starks all getting good ending was pretty much a given.
Let's not forget bran the all seeing genius still thought Jon was a bastard. It was Sam that had to tell him the marriage was legit and he's a true born. Bran knew feck all. Thought he was Jon Sand.
I think they lied to Greyworm and just let him go north with the Free Folk where he would be happiest.
Useless end to an extremely poor season. The writing has just gone down the toilet. Everything about the last episode was just so meek and pointless. Dany's was yet another pivotal moment that seemed to feel irrelevant. They even cut straight from it to a meeting of the lords FFS! That scene, the election of Bran, and the all too sweet and inspid last 20 minutes was just such a lame ending to the show. All the Starks on their merry way to do what they want. fecksake. And I like the Starks.
Yup. He appears all knowing but needs to know where to look. Would assume that's why he wanted a master of whispers, as well as making sure the small council is correctly formed for appearances sake.
Also he's not going to live forever, get the proper structure in place now.
If I'd written it I would have had King's Landing go up in a huge Wildfire explosion taking everyone there with it.
If Arya is to have a spinoff then she could have just kept going on the horse.
Bran could still be king if that's what they wanted and there would still be a Queen of the North.
But a huge explosion would have been awesome to kill loads of them off.
If Arya is to have a spinoff then she could have just kept going on the horse.
Bran could still be king if that's what they wanted and there would still be a Queen of the North.
But a huge explosion would have been awesome to kill loads of them off.
After a poor series I actually enjoyed the final episode a lot.
Jaime’s ending was about as true to his character as you could get. Obviously, as with everything this season, it all took place over way to short a span to be developed properly but he and Cersei dying together was perfect.
and this is how the end of GoT is saved. Sysky cannon!
Cant wait to write the prequels and sequels.
Nah, Bran knew that Sam read it. So he threw out a bone especially to him, so that it seems like Sam came up with it on his own. Hes the master manipulator.
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Can't look at Robyn Arryn without picturing him sucking his mum's tit.
It didn’t even click that was him when I was watching.
He looks a lot like Tristain so I assumed that was just another random Dornishman.
Cant wait to write the prequels and sequels.
Nah, Bran knew that Sam read it. So he threw out a bone especially to him, so that it seems like Sam came up with it on his own. Hes the master manipulator.
They weren't good and gradually getting worse IMO. But this season was like a parody. I imagine the only way you could rate the last episode was if you'd worked for 8 years on this show and had stream of emotion flowing through you, because as someone who watches it - it was a complete nothing of an episode. Went out with a whimper, to conclude a really poor season.
It didn’t even click that was him when I was watching.
He looks a lot like Tristain so I assumed that was just another random Dornishman.
Not gonna lie, I initially thought it was somebody from Dorne (or the new Dorne prince). Then realised he was sat next to the Vale Lord or whatever that other guy is. And though, fckin hell
I've heard that the ending sucks. Another Lost.
You realise this is a universe with warging in it?Non-wummy way indeed
Nah, he obviously knew something was up and it looked like he knew to burn the throne. The psychic dragon bit just tickled me
Warging is the same deal as having a psychic link, only powered up to 11.
You must be wumming if you can't remember that warging is a part of the mythology of GoT.
I think maybe him being unable to relinquish his love for Cersei since they were lovers and shared a womb together as twins could be fitting. But him after leaving Brienne becoming the bad old Jaime again and saying he doesn't care about the fate of the common folk was bad writing imo. Even when he was the young and cocky kingslayer, he called Aerys and the pyromancer and saved the city. Now that he's gone through a story of redemption and helped saved the world against the white walkers, he just switches back to being evil old Jaime who cares nothing about the fate of others.
If you have watched every other episode, id just say watch it yourself and then form your thoughts. After all, its just one episode and the finale. Just a thought
I liked that ending. Only thing I truly miss is some more background on the Night King, but I guess they're saving that for the prequel.
I don’t think you’re supposed to take his word literally. He’s basically just saying his love for Cersei trumps everything else which has been his consistent characterisation from episode 1.
Davos to unsullied- "Start your own house"
Jamie and Cersei in a rubble with no other damage in the 20 yard radius-
Podrick the knight-
Jamie and Cersei in a rubble with no other damage in the 20 yard radius-
Podrick the knight-
Would have been better if Jon said ‘The Lannisters send their regards’ when he stabbed Daenerys
Davos to unsullied- "Start your own house"
Little did they know that “Start your own house” is actually Fleabottom rhyming slang.