Who cares what he thinks? That guy cant even finish the books
Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Why? The books are completely different from the show and while the ending could be more or less the same, the plot leading up to it will be completely different and a lot more sensible/satisfying.
There was a guy who felt "cheated on by the series", I mean what the feck.
I think they saved the best episode of the season for last and brought it all together about as well as they could have. There are still lingering questions from things G.R.R. Martin set up and didn't resolve (the Direwolves; one too many Stark children) as well as bits the TV writers handled clumsily (the Tyrion/Varys 'betrayal' was awkwardly done) but that was a strong conclusion.
No-one can complain they didn't go back to the old talking-rather-than-battling format.
I thought there'd be a need to bring the Wildlings into a more stable relationship with the rest of the kingdoms (with the current North become the Centre). I expected Jon to be chosen to negotiate that, although it looks like maybe he's thrown his lot in with the Wildlings.
No-one can complain they didn't go back to the old talking-rather-than-battling format.
I thought there'd be a need to bring the Wildlings into a more stable relationship with the rest of the kingdoms (with the current North become the Centre). I expected Jon to be chosen to negotiate that, although it looks like maybe he's thrown his lot in with the Wildlings.
Yeah, the books shouldnt even come into this. Its a different medium, which I believe has some more characters and hes been 'writing' for years and cant finish it. Most of where the characters end up will prob be the same, journeys slightly altered (esp interactions).
Anyway, the stuff I liked about the episode:
-First 30 minutes (Tyrion walking through the city and then finding his siblings upto Drogon flying off)
-Jon and Ghost
-Edmure still being a jobber. Jobber until the end.
-Sansa being Queen of the North
-Brienne writing Jaimes chapter.
Anyway, the stuff I liked about the episode:
-First 30 minutes (Tyrion walking through the city and then finding his siblings upto Drogon flying off)
-Jon and Ghost
-Edmure still being a jobber. Jobber until the end.
-Sansa being Queen of the North
-Brienne writing Jaimes chapter.
I don't think he even wrote the books in the first place. Pretty sure he had a ghostwriter who must be dead now. Guy is a fraud.
Honestly, Arya should have died last episode in the chaos at KL. I don't mind what happened with JS and SS. The Bran as king thing is a bit of a head scratcher and it feels like it's leading up to dine machiavellian twist.... but it obviously isn't so whatever. The episode was incredibly underwhelming, but I won't lose sleep over it.
Yea but you're a drama queen.
Wow what a disappointment.
I actually thought the season leading up to the final wasn’t too bad but the last episode was terrible which has left me really fecking pissed off.
It feels like they made decisions based on ‘they’ll never expect this!’ rather than writing a good ending, it was absolute dross.
The way they killed ‘Deny’ within the first 15 minutes without much commotion then skipped weeks in advance to a fecking stupid meeting appointing a new king is good indication that they hadn’t a fecking clue how they wanted this to end.
Wank.
I actually thought the season leading up to the final wasn’t too bad but the last episode was terrible which has left me really fecking pissed off.
It feels like they made decisions based on ‘they’ll never expect this!’ rather than writing a good ending, it was absolute dross.
The way they killed ‘Deny’ within the first 15 minutes without much commotion then skipped weeks in advance to a fecking stupid meeting appointing a new king is good indication that they hadn’t a fecking clue how they wanted this to end.
Wank.
In the sense how much time and emotions people invested in the Game of Thrones universe and the writers bascially just discarded the series to work on Star Wars.
It's fair to say that Jon has renounced his pledge to the Night's Watch and will now be hunted down by whoever the Lord Commander is. But since he's now the King Beyond the Wall he'll rise his army up against the Watch and attack the wall. Then he'll get burned at the stake only to come out of untouched. At this point he will take off his face to reveal that he is Jaqen H'ghar and Ghost will remove his face to reveal that he is Arya, and boat Arya will remove her face to reveal that she's Bran, and King Bran will remove his face and reveal himself to be Ned and he'll kill Sam for leaving the Night's Watch.
Try to be less of a asshole when making a point.
She is dead. Jaqen took her mask.
"I'm sailing west of Westeros. What's west of Westeros? No one knows."
Who is no one?
Time, I can agree on. Emotion? It's a fecking fictional TV show, how emotionally invested could one possibly be in a character?
Good man
That's the spirit!
Yep I'm incorporating that into my own personal GoT canon...
I think it was pretty clear that Jon was giving the Night's Watch the finger and fecking off with the Wildlings.
They're the people he felt most connected to and they love him because he saved them all. Nobody is going to go chasing him.
They're the people he felt most connected to and they love him because he saved them all. Nobody is going to go chasing him.
I'm suprised some people are so disappointed. I expected there to be controversy but I thought it went well.
The books have become irrelevant so far as the show goes, and that isn't the fault of the TV writers.
For me the episode hinged on whether on not Dany got away with it (just because it would have been incredibly frustrating and she's been a murderous nutter for a while now) and she didn't. The episode relied a lot more on personal loyalties and scheming that the battles people have been complaining about.
The books have become irrelevant so far as the show goes, and that isn't the fault of the TV writers.
For me the episode hinged on whether on not Dany got away with it (just because it would have been incredibly frustrating and she's been a murderous nutter for a while now) and she didn't. The episode relied a lot more on personal loyalties and scheming that the battles people have been complaining about.
This man gets it. Feck the 'oh well it's just a tv show I enjoyed it!' soft shite.
Rage, rage against the dying of good television writing.
The first five seasons of the show had a story like this;
"I got in my car but didn't put my seat belt on. I kept looking at my phone as I drove the wrong way down the motorway. I got hit and my body was flung through the windshield".
Seasons 6-8 have been more like;
"I got in my car but didn't put my seat belt on. I kept looking at my phone as I drove head first into a hurricane that was on fire and killers bees that were on fire came at me, at which point my friend who had been in the car this entire time but I didn't mention them said to me 'look out for those flaming bees cause they'll kill you'. Cut to three hours later and we got out of the car and had some crisps"
Yeah he really "gets" it, hasn't paid enough attention for 8 seasons to know that it's Dany instead of Deny and that she wasn't killed within the first 15 minutes at all either.
I know what you mean. But try re-watching ep 5 immediately before the finale. The flow works much better.
But I take your point about that scene feeling jarring in a stand-alone episode.
The time skip and Bran scenes were poorly realised, I agree.
Well no as he left at the end of the episode although they could have made it a bit clearer .
Good man
That's the spirit!
Yep I'm incorporating that into my own personal GoT canon...
To be fair, I won't call it shit until Mockney shows up to call us all whiney man children and that we shouldn't dislike anything ever.
That's the new barometer for me
Oh feck my spellcheck was off sorry dude.
Damn I’ll make sure to get my posts signed off by you in the future.
fecking Dildo
I mean he's probably just never seen the name written down.
He's spot on in most of that post though. The skip from Daenerys dying to the council was possibly one of the most jarring scenes in television, it felt like we switched to a different show entirely.
Well one interpretation could be him just guiding the Wildlings beyond the wall and then returning. It was probably quite obvious that he was gone for good but I think they were attempting to keep it open-ended.
Maybe it’s all the shite fan theories such as Gendry makes armor for Drogon and Arya takes Jaime’s face to kill Cersei that made this (admittedly disappointing) final season actually seem alright for me.
The musical score was on point though. The one brilliant thing from this season. That main score at the end brought chills.
very accurate thoughI really didn't like it either but it's okay to just say it was poorly done rather than going OTT like the bolded part.
Feck is this? Opposite day?To be fair, I won't call it shit until Mockney shows up to call us all whiney man children and that we shouldn't dislike anything ever.
That's the new barometer for me
Re the Nights Watch, do people read that as hr actually left them?
I thought it was more of a wink wink, nudge nudge thing to let Jon go free and finally do what he wants. The Unsullied seem to accept he was actually joining them (which was laughable), but I thought that was part of the ploy.
I thought it was more of a wink wink, nudge nudge thing to let Jon go free and finally do what he wants. The Unsullied seem to accept he was actually joining them (which was laughable), but I thought that was part of the ploy.
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That is just the way some people are, especially the fantasy audience. You see the same level of passion and emotional investment in series like LOTR, Harry Potter and even superhero movies albiet to a lesser degree. Its not a new phenomenon. The problem hardcore fans have is not with the storylines, its with the level of commitment shown by the writers.
No, I honestly can't think of many more jarring scenes pacing wise. It felt incredibly off.
I'll rephrase and say one of the most jarring scenes from any top television show. I can't remember worse pacing.
'Let's just switch to the future so we can ignore all the fallout from this decision'.
Bran' been the bookie's favourite by miles all season so I guess people in the know made a fortune from it.
To be fair, that was incredibly poorly done.
The queen dies, next moment Greyworm has Tyrion on trial then just decides to let them pick a king who then lets Jon off.
Some people have gone way overboard as usual, but he's right that was particularly jarring.
Agreed. Even baby Blaggs was pissed off. They pulled a sopranos
The scene was that bad I almost expected to see Ned Stark waking from a long winters sleep.....’it was all a dream’ type of terrible.
That I can agree on, and this season (probably everything after S4 or so) has left a permanent stain on the series as a whole, but that doesn't take away from the fact that I still enjoyed parts of it, especially if you took it for what it was without being too annoyed about every plothole and the pacing etc.
I also found it funny how Grey Worm turned into a wanker personality wise when physically it would be impossible.
Nothing is more jarring than when you