The problem with these type of videos is they're finding evidence to support an argument while ignoring all the evidence to argue against it. Has anyone done a video yet which looks at both arguments and comes to a conclusion? Or are all the videos either For or Against?
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The problem with these type of videos is they're finding evidence to support an argument while ignoring all the evidence to argue against it. Has anyone done a video yet which looks at both arguments and comes to a conclusion? Or are all the videos either For or Against?
Omg @Redlambs
I've been binge watching the seasons again to get my gf caught up. She watched the last episode that aired and I kid you not at the end she said
"I bet that horse is the faceless jagger guy to help arya"
I'm telling you man. It's next level thinking.
My gf has threatened to leave me for week if he even turns up in the last episode, because apparantly I'll be insufferable. I still hope he does!
I'm telling you man. It's next level thinking.
My gf has threatened to leave me for week if he even turns up in the last episode, because apparantly I'll be insufferable. I still hope he does!
If he does, I will laugh very loudly and give you a toast.If she does leave please please PLEASE say to her as she leaves "babe, wait." And then when she turns around and waits for an apology just look her up and down and then say "I guess that now a girl has no one"I'm telling you man. It's next level thinking.
My gf has threatened to leave me for week if he even turns up in the last episode, because apparantly I'll be insufferable. I still hope he does!
Innit though?
Ok so thinking about it my basic theory on what’s likely to happen:
Firstly, Jon will surely retreat back to the north. He’s not going to confront her in the ashes of kings landing.
Which makes sense because we will then see a few familiar faces again in Sansa, Bran, Brienne and co.
So they’re going to have to figure out a way to defeat her and I expect Bran will have an answer for that.
Which makes sense because we will then see a few familiar faces again in Sansa, Bran, Brienne and co.
So they’re going to have to figure out a way to defeat her and I expect Bran will have an answer for that.
"We're out of ideas Bran. What do we do?"
"By any chance do we have a deadly assassin kicking around?"
"..."
"By any chance do we have a deadly assassin kicking around?"
"..."
I think that video comes across as measured. I don't think the person making it is happy with Dany going full dragon. he just accepts that is what was planned and that there was evidence that this would happen even though he doesn't really like the fact she did.
Personally I didn't for a second think that it was unprecedented. I always saw Dany as a cruel leader who answered any challenge to her rule with extreme violence. I was never team Dany because of this view I had of her.
He is far more on the side of Looking back you can see this but I don't like it than I am.
I'm hoping our deadly assassin comes to that conclusion all on her own. I hope she uses a face to do it though rather than just trying to use stealth to sneak past all Dany's guards.
The argument is that there's plenty of evidence to also suggest that this wouldn't happen (at least to the degree of bloodlust she showed). I guess they simply hedged their bets and made it plausible for both storyline options. I'd like to see someone tackle the Daenerys storyline in more depth rather than simply someone going "well this happened and this happened". It's basically just that meme list.
I think if that happens, i'll actually not finish the episode. I'd turn it off.
She been my favourite character since her father died so it's what I'd want to happen. She's the also the only feasible way I see of killing Dany. I don't see how anybody else can get close enough.
I think they gave us the clues while while trying to keep people on the side of team Dany so that when the turn happened it hurt all the more. I just always thought that she was too viscous for my liking.
Edit: Only too viscous as a ruler. I love Arya but the psychotic little bitch should never get anywhere near the throne.
She's a character i've grown to dislike since her training days and now she's a walking plot solver. So to have the two greatest threats in Westeros be killed by Arya after also surviving the Kings Landing roast would be a massive anti climax for me. I think they are heading that direction given the screentime she's had this Season though. But feck me would I hate if the story finished that way. I'd have a week long grump face. I'm hoping she tries it and gets caught and either killed or imprisoned.
With Dany having a dragon and being surrounded by her army how does anybody else get close to her though?
Varys' little bird would also be a good solution to me.
Varys' little bird would also be a good solution to me.
One of you two will probably not be happy after Sunday
I'm happy to be wrong as long as the episode is good. I'm hoping that the only reason that I'm not happy Monday is that there are no more episodes of GoT.One of you two will probably not be happy after Sunday
How has it only taken until now for a petition with over half a million signatures to get out over the decline of quality on GoT?
I mean I’ve seen it clearly deteriorate since Season 5 and I was disappointed about how it was turning out back then with the dialogue, mystery and clever political intrigue giving way big time for DWAGONS N FITEING N ZOMBEES. I’m pretty numb to it now and I don’t really care anyway since the books will hopefully come.
I mean I’ve seen it clearly deteriorate since Season 5 and I was disappointed about how it was turning out back then with the dialogue, mystery and clever political intrigue giving way big time for DWAGONS N FITEING N ZOMBEES. I’m pretty numb to it now and I don’t really care anyway since the books will hopefully come.
900,000 now.
I refuse to watch the last episode of the fifth season ever again after D&D bastardised Stannis into the dirt in that episode and I’m surprised there wasn’t more uproar back then. Probably because Stannis didn’t have tits, dragons and fan fiction behind him, even though he’s a well written character with an interesting arc about him.
I guess the Daenerys fangirls didn’t care too much about someone who probably reminded them of their real life dads.
I guess the Daenerys fangirls didn’t care too much about someone who probably reminded them of their real life dads.
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Stannis was the ultimate pretender
Loses two big battles (second one in embarrising style thanks to Ramsay and his 20 good men
His only wins was defeating wildlings after they were already defeated by the watchers on the wall
And had to use a demon baby to cowardly defeat his younger brother.
Loses two big battles (second one in embarrising style thanks to Ramsay and his 20 good men
His only wins was defeating wildlings after they were already defeated by the watchers on the wall
And had to use a demon baby to cowardly defeat his younger brother.
Yeah Stannis got fecked over with the famous Ramsey move. That was laughed at for being really fecking dumb at the time. Little did we know what was going to come!
Ever since they reduced the nudity it funnily coincided with decrease in story quality. Both must be correlated somehow.........
I think there's definitely some merit to this theory.
I hope none of you slit your wrists come Sunday/Monday. Remember, whatever happens, it's only a TV show.
I think most of us that would be of that sort had already given up on life sometime in episode 3.
I'm hoping for the opposite, it will save me having to listen to all the butt hurt in here over the show not doing what they wanted it to do.
This is so true.
The series did get worse season 5 onwards. I have zero issues though with Daenerys turning evil and thought the last episode was one of the best of the last seasons.
This is a pretty good post with criticism.
I have no issue with most of the points in this.
I’m just not at all in agreement with people who generally say Daenerys couldn’t or shouldn’t have turned evil.
How has it only taken until now for a petition with over half a million signatures to get out over the decline of quality on GoT?
I mean I’ve seen it clearly deteriorate since Season 5 and I was disappointed about how it was turning out back then with the dialogue, mystery and clever political intrigue giving way big time for DWAGONS N FITEING N ZOMBEES. I’m pretty numb to it now and I don’t really care anyway since the books will hopefully come.
Hehe.
Anyone can turn evil. Depends on how you take her from point A to B. Her journey was a bit of a car crash, which is the entire issue. The red wedding and Ned's beheading wasn't criticized as being terribly done, despite being a shocking turn events.
Again, the major complaints arent that it was unexpected - many saw this coming. But as has been alluded to before, and the video summarises it very logically, for this moment to be truly realised, there needed to be far more ground work laid, and seeds sown, which simply did not happen.
Now if you're satisfied with Dany (I use this becuase I can't spell her blood name) being one of those mental nutjobs who do something completely nutjob-ey like butchering their family in a fit of rage, despite very little precedent for that action (as has been stated she has punished those that she felt deserved it in the past, not innocent people), then fair enough. But there's a reason why those nutjob-ey acts /characters don't make for interesting characters on television shows and it's becuase people don't want to see random stuff happening (usually) and the impact is heightened when you can piece things together in a believable manner when there and then, or in hindsight.
I'm fine with those who are GoT as merely 'good fun' like you would with a Marvel flick but I think it's fair to say that many used to see it as something far far better, and are reasonably disappointed to see it's level dropping to that standard.
Both those events were perfectly in keeping with the characters involved though.
Whilst I've been one on here pretty much ok with Dany's turn, it's still a different thing between her going crazy and burning down the keep with her enemies inside (causing collateral damage) and another with how she literally just flew over the streets suddenly deciding to burn the innocents.
The twist was never shocking anyway. I think that's why they decided to go down that route.
What? No, that's completely incorrect. It is possible not be a sappy teenager who wants a pretty story, and also be disappointed in the show - largely because may of the criticisms aren't to do with favourites not doing what we want favourites to do, but with the quality of the writing.
I've never even liked Denarys' character. So I couldn't give a toss about her being a hero/heroine. In fact I'm pretty happy from that PoV as it's set up for everyone getting together to take her down. However the way she broke bad was shombolic stuff.
Agreed. I felt this was a possible direction so didn't feel a genuine shock. That's also possibly because the standard of writing had the killed the weight of the characters actions as well. Ned's death was fecking horrible to watch because I genuinely gave a massive shit.
I mean, if we're citing people in the real world doing random things and going full on nuts in real life as example of this being believably portrayed, then I suppose anything goes really and nothing can be called bad writing.
For those people who have signed the petition or anyone feeling that disappointed with the show, there is an alternative version to the TV show - the books. Assuming GRRM finishes them (which often feels a stretch) it's the only other version we're going to get.
Stannis was dull as feck. Bit of an imbecile as well with his deluded quest for power.
Stephen Dillane has said he took no personal or professional satisfaction from the show, the only thing he got was money and had to ask Davos' actor, Liam Cunningham, what was going on in scenes a lot of the time. Makes me wonder if that was one of the reasons his character was limply wrote out.
Stannis in the books is much more interesting. Still a dour cnut though.
Stannis in the books is much more interesting. Still a dour cnut though.