Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended


0:21 - Tyrion kisses Sansa's hand at the crypts 2:10- NK arrives at the gates 4:16- "Theon, you are a good man. Thank you" 4:58- Theon charges towards his death 5:35- Theon dies, and the course of the music is changed 6:07- NK slowly walks towards Bran 7:37- This part gave everyone Goosebumps for REAL 8:08- NK and Bran Stare each other without showing any expressions 8:24- Jon screams at Viserion (Reason yet unknown) 8:36- Arya Sneaks out of no where and...... PS- couldn't find the perfect time for Jorah, cuz keep rising many times, even after receiving Fatal blows, just to protect his queen.

Had this on repeat for the last few days. Incredible piece.
 
Don't know if posted yet, I'm not going to go back 10.000 posts or something since last episode but Emilia Clarke stated on Jimmy Kimmel that episode 5 is "bigger" than episode 3.
 
SilentWitness said:

0:21 - Tyrion kisses Sansa's hand at the crypts 2:10- NK arrives at the gates 4:16- "Theon, you are a good man. Thank you" 4:58- Theon charges towards his death 5:35- Theon dies, and the course of the music is changed 6:07- NK slowly walks towards Bran 7:37- This part gave everyone Goosebumps for REAL 8:08- NK and Bran Stare each other without showing any expressions 8:24- Jon screams at Viserion (Reason yet unknown) 8:36- Arya Sneaks out of no where and...... PS- couldn't find the perfect time for Jorah, cuz keep rising many times, even after receiving Fatal blows, just to protect his queen.

Had this on repeat for the last few days. Incredible piece.
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The episode was full of wonderful moments. My personal favorite was the Hound cowering in fear and despair at certain death only to instantly regain control and purpose on seeing Arya in trouble. I had a lump in my throat at that.
 
GhastlyHun said:
So... elephants?
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Too expensive.

Was always going to be Episode 5 for the final showdown, as they'll need an episode to recover from Winterfell and they'll need the final episode to close off as many threads as possible. The question is whether Cersei sits at Kings Landing and waits for them to come to her, or whether she surprises them by attacking somewhere unexpected.
 
GhastlyHun said:
Was tongue-in-cheek anyway. ;)
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Could even say... tongue-in-trunk? No. Anyway...

Someone mentioned Harrenhal a few pages back. Is that a lesson that Cersei will have learnt and will therefore not hide away in Kings Landing? Or will she hope those balisters we saw in the Gold Train episode will be enough to stop both Dragons?

We've seen Kings Landing in ruins in a few visions and most of those visions have come true. But from memory all of those visions were Kings Landing with snow everywhere and so far we've not been shown that right? But with that in mind, have we actually had any exterior shots of Kings Landing this season?
 
I love how everyone is asking all these complex questions about what characters will do despite going on about how the show has become so basic that characters don't think anymore. No wonder they expect so much.
 
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Massive Spanner said:
I love how everyone is asking all these complex questions about what characters will do despite going on about how the show has become so basic that characters don't think anymore. No wonder they expect so much.
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Which questions? I don't think many have actually speculated about the next few episodes because we've all been discussing this one. Christ, people get so defensive. :lol:
 
onemanarmy said:
Don't know if posted yet, I'm not going to go back 10.000 posts or something since last episode but Emilia Clarke stated on Jimmy Kimmel that episode 5 is "bigger" than episode 3.
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4th episode would be a placid pace setter. Assume that the 5th will be the battle at King's Landing. I expect Euron, Greyworm, Yara, Mountain/Hound, Qyburn, Cersei, Jaime and maybe some others to die in that battle, so it would be a bigger episode than 3.

Reckon the final episode would either be a fiery trial for PoW Cersei (if she and Jaime somehow survived Episode 5) which ends in her getting killed by one of her brothers, or (if Cersei dies in 5), maybe tension between Jon and Dany over the throne.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
People give Oberyn a bit of a hard time.

The Mountain raped and killed his sister and then murdered her children. He didn't just want justice for the mad dog who did the killing, he wanted a confession from Gregor during the fight.

He had a momentary slip in a heated moment against someone who will punish any error you make. Bit silly to risk it perhaps, but again I can't really blame him for being swept away by emotion considering what the Mountain did.

But also Jaime with two hands> all.
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True, Though would have be good if he had told us that himself at some point....
 
Annihilate Now! said:
True, Though would have be good if he had told us that himself at some point....
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Who? The Mountain says it when he smashes Oberyn's head. And Oberyn tells someone (probably in a brothel) that he's in King's Landing to kill the Mountain.
(Looked it up - he tells Tyrion, after exiting a brothel :P )
 
RedSky said:
Which questions? I don't think many have actually speculated about the next few episodes because we've all been discussing this one. Christ, people get so defensive. :lol:
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I'm not getting defensive. I just think it's funny to see people come up with these theories and motives for characters when the writers clearly don't think about anything like that themselves anymore. Anyone expecting anything more than pure Hollywood and cliché out of the last three episodes is going to be let down, much like with episode three.
 
Maybe just me but I barely made it through the episode. Caught myself staring off screen in boredom at least twice. Some good moments with a lot of purposeless action and nonsensical plot points throughout.

Not all that interested in watching the rest of the season. The Night King was always what it was about, to me.
 
I think the Viper wanted to make the mountain put the blame on Tywin. He wanted to embarrass the Mountain, humiliate him and make him blame House Lannister for giving the order. He didn't go to KL to kill just the Moutain imho, he was a stepping stone to killing Tywin.
 
Do the people who can't understand how Arya was able to sneak up on the Night King complain when Jaqen H'ghar was burning about Harrenhall killing people, just seeming to appear out of the shadows in the right place at the right time completely unseen, no?
 
ArmandTamzarian said:
Do the people who can't understand how Arya was able to sneak up on the Night King complain when Jaqen H'ghar was burning about Harrenhall killing people, just seeming to appear out of the shadows in the right place at the right time completely unseen, no?
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It's almost like there are some fantastical qualities to this show.
 
Akshay said:
Maybe just me but I barely made it through the episode. Caught myself staring off screen in boredom at least twice. Some good moments with a lot of purposeless action and nonsensical plot points throughout.

Not all that interested in watching the rest of the season. The Night King was always what it was about, to me.
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I just don't get this. So what did you want from the Night King, did you want to get to know him, want him to have his character developed?
 
stepic said:
he's been barely in the show really, and done pretty much feck all this whole time?
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Classical Mechanic said:
I just don't get this. So what did you want from the Night King, did you want to get to know him, want him to have his character developed?
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He's the main point of the show though. I just thought the end of the White Walker threat and the Night King's death was disappointing. No one expects character development from him but dying to a single random dagger after all that was lame. Cheapens all the buildup.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I just don't get this. So what did you want from the Night King, did you want to get to know him, want him to have his character developed?
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Melisandre:
"These little wars are no more than a scuffle of children before what is to come. The one whose name may not be spoken is marshaling his power, Davos Seaworth, a power fell and evil and strong beyond measure. Soon comes the cold, and the night that never ends. Unless true men find the courage to fight it. Men whose hearts are fire."

D&D: Make that the dusk that takes a bit longer than usual, also boring one-dimensional evil and dumber than strong.
 
Akshay said:
He's the main point of the show though. I just thought the end of the White Walker threat and the Night King's death was disappointing. No one expects character development from him but dying to a single random dagger after all that was lame. Cheapens all the buildup.
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I enjoyed the episode in isolation but I agree.

8 seasons of building up the white walker threat all for that payoff? It wasn't enough. People feel short changed considering all the 'winter is coming' hype, I don't get why this is remotely surprising to people.
 
ArmandTamzarian said:
Do the people who can't understand how Arya was able to sneak up on the Night King complain when Jaqen H'ghar was burning about Harrenhall killing people, just seeming to appear out of the shadows in the right place at the right time completely unseen, no?
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Jagen was sneaking amongst humans who make all the mistakes humans do. The White Walkers don't tire, don't sleep so one would think don't lose focus on the job in hand. He thrived in the somewhat relaxed fortress of Harrenhall, killed people off guard. People didn't complain either when Arya butchered a bunch of Frey's on the quiet (well a few did but not too much). They were pretty much caught by a badass character with their pants down in what was essentially their homes.

Very different to the Night King, 12 or so White Walkers and hundreds of dead who were there to protect him, all switching off in the middle of a battle. Especially when the Wights in particular don't think, so their minds can't wander from the job. It's not like the Wights lose focus and think "I wonder what'll be going down at the brothel tonight" etc...

It was a fantastic scene but it would make more sense if something happened to separate the NK from the group and expose him to Arya. Almost as hamfisted as what they did but...

Wouldn't it make more sense if Jon escaped the dragon instead of going full Skyrim, ran to the Godswood after the NK. NK simply keeps walking towards Bran while all the Wights/White Walkers move towards Jon. This would give Arya time to make her move from the shadows/trees and people wouldn't question why the enemy went to sleep.
 
padr81 said:
Very different to the Night King, 12 or so White Walkers and hundreds of dead who were there to protect him, all switching off in the middle of a battle. Especially when the Wights in particular don't think, so their minds can't wander from the job.
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Wasnt really a battle where they were though. This was like the scene from the hold the door episode. They basically all stopped as there was no more battle, and just watching to see NK kill the 3ER.
Wights also stopped in the suicide squad episode until the water froze over (werent mindlessly trying to charge and falling into water).

TBF to the show, they did establish the wights cant hear Arya. Its fair to say the WW cant hear/sense her when shes moving. And NK did as Arya screamed as she jumped, but got caught due to it.
 
Sylar said:
Wasnt really a battle where they were though. This was like the scene from the hold the door episode. They basically all stopped as there was no more battle, and just watching to see NK kill the 3ER.
Wights also stopped in the suicide squad episode until the water froze over (werent mindlessly trying to charge and falling into water).

TBF to the show, they did establish the wights cant hear Arya. Its fair to say the WW cant hear/sense her when shes moving. And NK did as Arya screamed as she jumped, but got caught due to it.
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That hints at huge complacency though, just because they weren't moving didn't mean they weren't paying attention both times. Sneaking by a few behind some shelves is fine, imho. Even through the trees is fine. But Arya came from the clearing. It was a great scene and fantastic tv if not the ending Jon vs NK's arc deserved. It just could have been handled better.

For me, if they explain away that little bit its 10/10 tv and as good as BotB even without the payoff I was hoping for.
But minor things like that are stuff George has made book readers watch out for. You get punished for doing things like that in the AsoiF.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Correlates perfectly with the emergence of the dopey zombies doesn't it.

The first seasons were great because of all the political tension, maneuvering for power and complex relationships between the human characters.
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This is a good point, but the reality is you can have both if they are explained well and written well. There is no way in my mind the war with the dead plays out so poorly with a proper writer. There is no way they bin the political tension or maneuvering for power while its ongoing. There is no way the characters get pushed to team "light" Dany, Jon, Tyrion and team "dark" Cersei and co. everyone in the books cept Jon will be staying morally grey.

They can both be done at the same time and still pay off.
 
padr81 said:
Jagen was sneaking amongst humans who make all the mistakes humans do. The White Walkers don't tire, don't sleep so one would think don't lose focus on the job in hand. He thrived in the somewhat relaxed fortress of Harrenhall, killed people off guard. People didn't complain either when Arya butchered a bunch of Frey's on the quiet (well a few did but not too much). They were pretty much caught by a badass character with their pants down in what was essentially their homes.

Very different to the Night King, 12 or so White Walkers and hundreds of dead who were there to protect him, all switching off in the middle of a battle. Especially when the Wights in particular don't think, so their minds can't wander from the job. It's not like the Wights lose focus and think "I wonder what'll be going down at the brothel tonight" etc...

It was a fantastic scene but it would make more sense if something happened to separate the NK from the group and expose him to Arya. Almost as hamfisted as what they did but...

Wouldn't it make more sense if Jon escaped the dragon instead of going full Skyrim, ran to the Godswood after the NK. NK simply keeps walking towards Bran while all the Wights/White Walkers move towards Jon. This would give Arya time to make her move from the shadows/trees and people wouldn't question why the enemy went to sleep.
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i don't see why it's so unrealistic for the WW to be simply distracted, much like the NK was, on Bran. it was all over in a matter of seconds, Arya runs straight past them, jumps and attacks the NK. simple. we didn't need Jon to create a divergence, it wouldn't have worked so well anyway.
 
antihenry said:
Felt bad for Theon.
I thought he was one of the most fascinating characters on the show. His whole life was full of inner conflict. Being born a Greyjoy but raised by the Starks and never feeling like he belonged anywhere. Did some terrible things trying to prove himself to the Ironborn, suffered horrible physical and psychological abuse at the hands of Ramsay, rescued Sansa, abandoned but then came back for his own sister and finally found his redemption, dying like a man and a warrior, protecting his home and family that raised him.

I thought his weaknesses and flaws made him a much more interesting character to follow than someone like Jon Snow, who's more of a Hollywood version of a 'good guy' fighting 'bad guys.'
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:( excuse me, I think I have dust or something in my eye....
 
Akshay said:
He's the main point of the show though. I just thought the end of the White Walker threat and the Night King's death was disappointing. No one expects character development from him but dying to a single random dagger after all that was lame. Cheapens all the buildup.
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He is nowhere near the main point of the show - the main point of the show has always been about the living.
 
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