They had Melisandre saying again and again said that the war between humans means nothing and the real war is the war up north. Same with Jon and Bran. They also never really explained the motivations of the WWs and NK and also the role of the Lord of Light wasn't really explained and now that his biggest proponent is dead, I think that'll be left unresolved. Its not the killing of the NK that's the issue, its the timing of it. It just feels rushed and leaves too many unanswered questions that are unlikely to be resolved.
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I'm not buying it. You can't have the side threat being the likely end of humankind at the hands of literal zombies and an ancient winter god who rides an undead dragon. That's simply poor writing.
You've convinced me, I'd follow you into battle anywhere sir.First I don’t think they knew the size of the Ww army.
Falling back into a castle is always a last defensive resort
Meeting the enemy in battle has always been in the field whereby depending on the numbers and the way the battle is going they can maybe flank the enemy etc
There was no one coming to rescue them so they’d have nowhere to fall back to if they just started in the castle
Would they even have all fitted in the castle?
What if the NK had just knocked the walls down like the Great Wall? They’d have flooded in. At least this way they met them on their terms
So yeah it made sense to me because I’m obviously a military commander
I think they wasted the Dothraki though. Could've used them to flank or something once the dead had charged into the Unsullied.
Cersei has the upper hand now.
Maybe, but it is the case. In the books, even more so, so far.
But the heroes of the show have consistently been arguing that the humans had to put aside their petty conflicts in order to address the WW's. In that sense they were always portrayed as the biggest looming threat and eventual endgame.
I much prefer the way it was done. Your suggestion would give too much screen time to the most cliche parts of the show - the whole good vs evil - which is the least compelling plot aspect for me.
The white walkers (and zombie Cat) are my least favorite aspects of the story. I very much prefer how they got the white walkers and night king out of the way in 1 episode and now they can get back to the best parts of the show - the intrigue and scheming.
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The Dothraki were just mindless really,
impatient barbarians. It was like oh, there they go. Now time for a real battle
Visually and directing wise, 10/10, brilliant stuff, but story and decision wise very fecking weak, hollywood, predictable and disappointing with lots of stupid situations.
He never really even ended up doing all that much south of the Wall anyway. Barely even got halfway through the north before being defeated in one battle. I didn't mind the surprise of him being defeated a few episodes before the end but at least seeing the WW's take over substantial territory first would've felt quite satisfying. A proper Long Night as opposed to a brief moment of worry.
So far, yes. But if GRRM ever actually finishes this series, which I doubt, it won't be like this.
I was wondering what they were going to do if Dany died. They'd be leaderless in Westeros and probably end up causing chaos.
Yeah, spot on. It felt amazing watching it, but it weirdly left me disappointed.
But the problem is that by cutting the story back to the bare bones to focus on the conflict in the north the potential for scheming down south is now incredibly weak. Unless Daenerys suddenly pivots and goes evil in the last few episodes (she isn't) it's now basically Cersei vs everyone else. Which is fairly uninteresting all things considered. If they intended to deal with the WW conflict so quickly then they shouldn't have killed off so many of the political players down south.
@RedSky I'll have to watch it again, but I'd totally understand Arya having Flash like speed. This is a show about zombies and dragons, after all.
You can see it in his eyes. He knew.
This man singlehandedly safed the world from the WW. It's magic. Get over it.
Arya was probably hidden amongst the WW, as one of them.
I think the whole lore about the NK and WWs is gonna be left unexplored for the prequel series. More than trying to tie up the series as perfectly as possible, its now HBO trying to leave enough unanswered questions to make viewers turn into the prequel series. The final 3 episodes are gonna be about the fight for the Iron Throne while to get the answers about any questions regarding the magical elements of the show, we are gonna have to wait for the prequel.
Bloody hell, the Walkers have been every bit as lethal as built up. They've wiped out the free folk, the nights watch, killed a dragon, destroyed the wall, and in one single night annihilated most of the military might of the north and Daenerys forces , something we've been watching built up over the last 7 seasons. including the Dothraki who have never been defeated in combat, wiped out in mere minutes, even when they were given enchanted fire swords. The unsullied fearless and organised are mere remnants, It was only through the ability of the little assassin that they would have been completed wiped out. Everyone was facing death at the end. They've survived but are in tatters.
i reckon Sansa and Tyrion will marry to unite north and south
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whats gonna happen in this schemers arc? Will he knife someone in the back?
Apparently it’s been happening all over social media - people putting spoilers all over the net in random conversations which had nothing to do with Endgame. Guess the same poster here thought it would be funny.
But yeah, I personally don’t mind having things spoilt for me but I don’t understand what those gain who deliberately spoil things for others.
Go back to being a shithole again?
They have explained the motivations of the WW's and the Night King. They were made to destroy and wipeout all mankind, by the forest children, end of.
Piss funny how wound up they get only to show up for the very next episode
I know about this supposed motivation along with the one liner about wiping about the memory of the world and I find it underwhelming. Its just generic villain number 53 kinda stuff.
if it's Chinese drama jon and danny will fly away making love and leave the worldly affair to sansa and tyrion
Whats supposed about it. It's been stated clearly and plainly by the Children of the Forest. They are what they are. They don't need to have some deep underlying back story that they were abused by their mums or something. The children of the forest took a man and using their magical powers, created a creature with the ability and design to destroy all men.
This is my second favourite suggestion after the suggestion that the Night king kneel before Bran and say "what next sir".
Kinda annoying how many people complain about the episode being too dark. Learn to not rely on default settings on your TV and stupid gimmicks like contrast boosting etc and/or get a better TV. I could see everything very well and just have a middle of the like Sammy TV (KS8000)
Their goal was to end humanity. They didn't even manage to get halfway through the first region they were trying to conquer. I had no issue with him being stabbed suddenly like that but why expose himself at all? It'd have been easier to just wait until he was sure everyone was dead. Or finish the job quickly with Bran. I get they've killed a lot of people, but then most of those people were fairly nameless for the most part until this episode...and even then the only big names they offed were Theon and Jorah. The Freys did more to piss us off than that!
And if there is some deeper motivation that's going to be explored in a prequel then it's dreadful storytelling to not at least, you know, reveal that motivation in the main series during which the story is being told.
Well fair enough if you are satisfied by it. But I still maintain that they have held back their backstory or motivations for the Long Night prequel series. We are probably gonna get a bit of it in the books if they ever come out and the rest will be in the prequel series.
Because he has done so at all times throughout. It's not a sudden change. He's also acted like he is indestructible at all times and even has arrogance to go with it. As far as he was concerned once he raised all the dead it was completely over, something that only happened after he had been found by Jon and Dany who engaged him with their dragons. He was quite happy doing it all above the clouds out of sight of everyone. they engaged he fell, he raised more dead. A for gone conclusion. Time for him to do exactly what he did to the three eyed raven, go in and kill him.
I've always wanted the WW threat to be a red herring tbh. But only if Dany becomes the big bad. From series 5 onwards she showed snippets of that Targaryean madness, couple that with her hunger for the throne, I believe it would make a better ending to have Jon v Dany (A song of ice and fire)
But with Cersei on the fringes I guess I wont see that.
But with Cersei on the fringes I guess I wont see that.
There's a huge story there of their first attack and them being driven back by the Tagaryans, but I expect we will see more of how the forest folk decided to do it and the effects it had but I don't see there being any major hidden underbelly of story, lost love or tragedy. They were a force, beaten back and now re-risen. They have even more motivation than the likes of Sauron in their goal.
Not really as their motivation has been revealed. A prequel series can explore their past actions but they are what they are. The man behind it who the forest folk took and did the ceremony on may have an incredible tale of tragedy and woe but as soon as he was turned into the night king it was over.
At the start if 2nd season, a big deal was made about magic returning to the world with dragons been born and the WWs acting up again after a supposed 1000 years of inactivity. The reason for this return was never explained and I think there will be some explanation in the prequel about how magic and religion works in Planetos and will delve further into their motivations. That's my theory anyway, I guess we'll find out in a couple of years time.
Jon & Dany in the south (or Jon alone, preferably), Sansa & Tyrion in the north.
I think Varys genuinely just wants to help the realm. Maybe he stabs Dany if he sees her as bad for the realm.
I think Varys genuinely just wants to help the realm. Maybe he stabs Dany if he sees her as bad for the realm.
There is already a massive conflict between Jon amd Daeny now with the Aegon reveal. Then we still have Varys who almost certainly has his own plans and then there was the whole Sansa and Lyanna not liking the North bending the knee. And then Euron at least in books has his own plans too.
I don't think its nearly as simple as Cersei vs everyone
We'll see some internal tension within the Jon/Daenerys camp but I get the impression it's way too late in the game for them to have Jon and Daenerys essentially go to war with each other with only three episodes remaining. That's a story that'd be worthy of a season-long conflict of its own. Varys has been useless in the show for years now because the writers don't actually have him do any scheming anymore.
I think it will mostly come down to Cersei vs everyone else in the end to be honest. And if it doesn't I struggle to see them setting up the final remaining conflicts in a way which allows said conflicts to be resolved effectively.
That was an exhausting 82 min to watch!! One of the most tense and epic battles I’ve seen. Felt a little bit of an anti climax at the end but will get over it as it doesn’t ruin the rest of the episode.