Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Oh yeah, absolutely. My bad.
So the white walkers were stood far back, the dead created a tunnel for NK to walk through.
So Arya could've come from the side and not be spotted by the Walkers? That could be conceivable.
Think of him like Achilles - he only has one weakness and it's the part of him where the dragonglass went in. Luckily Arya got him in the right bit but still.
I loved the but where he caught Arya and she just dropped the knife and caught it. Bad ass move.
Aye, there's been a bit of a trend for the past couple of seasons where they basically have two ways of showing their female characters as empowered: either by being a great warrior or a strong leader. Their writing of characters like Arya was much subtler in the earlier seasons. She was interesting and tough as feck but not to the point where she seemed too over the top. Although I didn't necessarily have anything against her being the one to kill the NK - just in recent seasons she's become a bit ridiculous as a character.
This reminds me... Where dafuq is Bronn? Wasn't he sent to kill Jaime/ Tyrion?
But the dead were active throughout the episode. The only way Arya could have sneaked in is if the dead were on sleep mode and wouldn't react to Arya sneaking. They spotted her before in the library because of blood dripping on the floor so they're more engaged when active than a regular human.
The only explanation I can give is that they assumed all the humans were dead and the Night King marched to Bran being all cocky. Basically doing a Red Scorpion. The other White Walkers assuming they were all dead didn't give a shit about protecting the Night King and looking out for humans. This would explain why Arya was able to walk past the dead as they were on sleep mode. I'm not sure I buy that theory though because even when the dead are dormant they still seem capable of reacting to humans.
Im also trying to think of an example when the dead were completely still and unresponsive in the show and i'm struggling. There are examples of them completely stopping, but they're still active. It's not like flicking a switch from being a statue to being alive.
I thought the battle itself was both semi-ridiculous but visually impressive in its scope at the same time, like a lot of the show now. But they did have way too many inconsistencies where a character is surrounded by a hoard of the undead at one point and is nevertheless still somehow fighting on a scene or two later even if they should technically be overwhelmed by that point.
But then I think it's inherently difficult to film and write battle scenes in a way that's both narratively satisfying and somewhat realistic. And the problem becomes amplified in a TV show: in a gritty war movie you can off a bunch of named characters in an instant to show that shit's getting serious, but when you've spent eight seasons with a bunch of characters it'll obviously be anti-climactic if a bunch of key names are wiped out without mention. Even if that's how war works.
I think they did fine with the number of deaths. Too many would've trimmed the cast too much for the final three episodes. They were fairly predictable but Theon and Jorah have been around since the start, so both felt fairly impactful given the circumstances.
But then I think it's inherently difficult to film and write battle scenes in a way that's both narratively satisfying and somewhat realistic. And the problem becomes amplified in a TV show: in a gritty war movie you can off a bunch of named characters in an instant to show that shit's getting serious, but when you've spent eight seasons with a bunch of characters it'll obviously be anti-climactic if a bunch of key names are wiped out without mention. Even if that's how war works.
I think they did fine with the number of deaths. Too many would've trimmed the cast too much for the final three episodes. They were fairly predictable but Theon and Jorah have been around since the start, so both felt fairly impactful given the circumstances.
Wow!
Am I right in thinking l...
Am I right in thinking l...
Danny now has no Dothraki, hardly any Unsullied, no Jorah and a hand who wants Sansa?
I've a feeling Bronn is going to show up and shock kill some of our heroes early next week.
Everyone will spend a week giving out about how many big names survived and expecting a quiet filler episode, only for the likes of Theon, Brienne, Davos and Sansa to get knocked off in the first ten minutes!
Everyone will spend a week giving out about how many big names survived and expecting a quiet filler episode, only for the likes of Theon, Brienne, Davos and Sansa to get knocked off in the first ten minutes!
Pretty much yeah. I reckon the Daenerys/Sansa tension will become quite key now.
If they survived the battle against the dead.
I thought some bits were great, some bits really stupid and a lot of it I couldn't really see what the hell was going on.
I did not like the ending at all and the whole Arya Stark super ninja thing has always been massively stupid. She's never completed her training as a Faceless Man, she just stood around getting beat with a stick for a whole series then the super assassins tried to take her out by chasing her Terminator style down a street. Now this. None of it makes any sense at all.
I did not like the ending at all and the whole Arya Stark super ninja thing has always been massively stupid. She's never completed her training as a Faceless Man, she just stood around getting beat with a stick for a whole series then the super assassins tried to take her out by chasing her Terminator style down a street. Now this. None of it makes any sense at all.
Nah, Bronn isn't going to do that. Daenerys has the upper hand in any battle to come and he knows Tyrion/Jaime will give him a far greater reward than Cersei if he sides with them.
They'll be alive, even fairly minor characters got properly telegraphed death scenes. If you're unsure whether anyone's dead or alive then they're fine.
Almost like she will go mad. Doesn't even have a claim to the throne anymore.
I was watching it on a laptop with the brightness up full and had no issues with the darkness. Can see how it would be frustrating on a tv though, as I’ve had that in the past with GoT.
The only parts I have an issue with are the dragon not just flying off straight away when it was getting attacked on the floor. Also, feel like they could have explained better how Arya got into that situation before she jumped at the NK. I get that it would have ruined the surprise, but they could have played out the knife drop more so that viewers thought she was going to die.
There has to be more to it with Bran. I don’t really see how they can fill four and half hours with Cersi and a final battle. Unless we’re getting a lot of filler Inbetween.
The only parts I have an issue with are the dragon not just flying off straight away when it was getting attacked on the floor. Also, feel like they could have explained better how Arya got into that situation before she jumped at the NK. I get that it would have ruined the surprise, but they could have played out the knife drop more so that viewers thought she was going to die.
There has to be more to it with Bran. I don’t really see how they can fill four and half hours with Cersi and a final battle. Unless we’re getting a lot of filler Inbetween.
When Arya's journey started in the first few seasons, i always knew she will have one massive kill and be one of the most dangerous/strongest persons in the whole GoT-world. First i expected it to be Joffrey and/or Cersei/Jaime or even their father. Jaime has become useless with one hand and has become a 'good guy', Joffreys dead was far too ealry for my liking and Cersei is just a woman. Little finger was a bit too unspectacular too. So she had to be the one to kill the NK imo. Thats why i expected it to happen just as it has been today.
I love the show and i accept everything they decided for. But i will forever stick to the point that Joffreys dead was far too early and took a lot of opportunities for the show. I think originally they had different plans for Arya, like safing her sister from the Lannisters with spectacular 1on1 battles between her and Joffrey or even a healthy Jaime.
My point was that the battle just ended. Bronn isn't involved this episode because he was told to act only if they survived the ordeal of this episode.
People asking for the Night King to be logical and stay away from the fight are forgetting that the same argument could have been made for Eddard Stark when he decided to waltz into the throne room of Backstab Capital and demand King Joffrey be removed from his throne. The Night King was cocky, thought he was all that, got arrogant when he had Arya by the throat and didn't kill her, and then he died.
After sleeping on it and letting the initial excitement down, for 90% I thought the episode was phenomenal but the ending was a bit anti-climatic. Also, what's the deal with Jamie now? He can't really go back to Cersei, does he support Daenerys/the North now?
You didn’t though because it was still there later when I read it. What did you think was going to happen when you’re in the thread for the biggest tv show and you’re giving out plot bits for the biggest Movie of the year? Don’t you have any common sense?
I had no issue with her killing the NK - her plot isn't tied up to all the intrigue going on for the most part, so it worked as a resolution for her arc. More just that in general they've portrayed all her mass killings as something that's inherently good and something we're meant to find badass, when ideally a teenage girl killing lots of people in acts of revenge after severe loss and trauma should be somewhat psychologically disturbing.
Aye, if there was ever going to be a moment where he let his guard down then it was inevitably going to be right before his final victory. Nothing wrong with that aspect of it.
So abuse is valid ? So if I don't like anything or if someone has made a mistake then I can freely abuse that person ?
Errol Flynns onto Euron's ship, rescues Theon's sister and gives her a smooch, before dropping a canonball through the hull and swooping off into the skies
Destracts the Mountain long enough for the Hound to slice him in two
Gives Jon a pep talk
Murders Cersei using Jamies face
Wins a crossbow duel against Bron
Gives a sermon at Drogon's funeral
Is crowned Queen
Abdicates the throne, giving it to Sansa
Gives Jamie courage The Mountain a heart and Tyrion a brain
Rides off into the sunset on Ghostdog
Stars in her own spin off cookery series
Destracts the Mountain long enough for the Hound to slice him in two
Gives Jon a pep talk
Murders Cersei using Jamies face
Wins a crossbow duel against Bron
Gives a sermon at Drogon's funeral
Is crowned Queen
Abdicates the throne, giving it to Sansa
Gives Jamie courage The Mountain a heart and Tyrion a brain
Rides off into the sunset on Ghostdog
Stars in her own spin off cookery series
You'd think he'd have to in some capacity? Should add some extra tension anyway, but he won't go back to Cersei when he sees how she abandoned the living to fight the literal undead.
No, they clearly stopped and started again at the fire trap wall, we can assume based on NKs orders. Because he flew over them, did some hand thing and then they began to lay down on the fire. They also went inactive when raised. They honed in on Jon, not mindlessly throwing themselves like they do when they are in battle. So even within this episode, they went through periods of manically rushing about to standing still waiting for orders.
I think when NK says go, they do absolutely wild in the presence of prey. In the absence of prey, they'll search for it, like in the library. But when inactive, they are thoughtless. Stand
Even at Godswood, they were rushing in but clearly stopped when it was only Theon left and the NK was there. We can assume he'd given the order to stop.
The only times we've seen dead react to humans is when they're already active. They clearly weren't active in Godswood.
It is likely that NK was complacent. After all, why not keep them active all the time?
He is probably the only one who still moves through Westeros at early seasons pace
Ned was compelled to do so because it was the right thing, and he believed he had the support of the city watch (the gold cloaks). His actions are based on his motives and on his knowledge and therefore make sense. No such case can be made for the Night King.
Of course abuse is not good but what you did was pretty stupid and extremely annoying. I’m still toying with the idea of banning you
Apologies, saw this after I'd quoted.
Think the difference is what we see as inactive. I'd say they were inactive infront of the firetrap. They weren't doing anything except waiting for NKs next command.
We could do the same for Ned, Cat, Joffrey etc.
She gave Sansa a dragon glass dagger.
I agree with the rest. How people expect DnD to come up with a reason for the White Walkers when GRRM can’t seem very harsh.
Neither had I.
Yep. Arya can certainly kill the NK, the way it was done just feels like a major detour on the journey that they were laying out for her.
Well its been shown a few times how cold her heart has become. It was even told 1 or 2 episodes ago by the hound. On the other hand she has shown imo that she is not just up for revenge. Otherwise she would have killed the likes of Tyrion, Jaime, Melisandre, Hound, etc. in a heartbeat. Especially Jaime, who was the one to prison Ned Stark in season 1. I think her revenge plot was finished after Little Fingers death. Maybe she likes to kill Cersei now too, but i am not even sure about that.
I mean I'm not wanting some tragic backstory about how the Starks great-great grandfather killed his wife or something, but a bit more detail other than "kill Bran" would've been kinda nice. Even a deeper connection to Bran would've given them a bit more weight.
He thought he had the backing of a group of soldiers who were loyal to coin and a man who told him not to trust him. He was foolish and he died because of it. The Night King thought he was untouchable and suffered the same fate.
I apologised to the other person both in post and in message who quoted the post and for whom I ruined it . But here you are endorsing a situation where abuse is fine and as an admin and moderator you should know better . Anyways toying or thinking you are welcome to ban me and I made a mistake and probably didn't correct it later which was stupid but am sure as hell didn't deserve personal abuse.