Gendry is a bastard, he has no right to the throne.
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Neither does Jon as he's not a Baratheon. They seem to just skip past the fact that Baratheon's are still in power.
King Robert was a usurper, hence why he is (and his relatives are) illegitimate, hence why John is the rightful king.
The Targ's are still the rightful rulers of the seven kingdoms, though. That's why Robert wanted them all dead, including Daenerys, because she has a more powerful claim to the throne than he does. He only got the throne because all the Targ's were presumed dead after his rebellion.
Anyway I think the point is that both have potential claims but Jon is way more legit than Gendry seeing as he's not a bastard.
Surely the targs were usurpers at some point as well though?
Which means the rightful heir is the Night King. Thats why hes back.
They unified the continent under one crown as it was separately ruled cities before that.
1. I expect there to be 2 pregnant queen's at some point. Both of incestual parents
2. Due to timings, I expect a battle between the northerners and WW, early in the season, Northerners defeated and retreat south. Then have Jon and Dany stuck between 2 enemies and it's when I'd expect the crown situation to be dealt with, before a final between between living and dead.
3. No idea what the iron islanders have to do with this now.
4. Red with has to meet Arya again, noticed a line about how they'll meet again on a re-watch prior to this season, so at some point Arya must go south.
2. Due to timings, I expect a battle between the northerners and WW, early in the season, Northerners defeated and retreat south. Then have Jon and Dany stuck between 2 enemies and it's when I'd expect the crown situation to be dealt with, before a final between between living and dead.
3. No idea what the iron islanders have to do with this now.
4. Red with has to meet Arya again, noticed a line about how they'll meet again on a re-watch prior to this season, so at some point Arya must go south.
The ice throne belongs to the ice king
It's a chair, Eboue.
I think you might be right, Robin.
Ep 3 will be the battle of Winterfell and Ep 5 will be the battle for King's Landing, or even at the Trident.
Brienne will pierce Jaime with Oathkeeper and create Lightbringer before the Night King is slain. If any sword is going to be the original Lightbringer in this bat shit universe then it would be Ice, surely?
All pretense of legal lineage/succession went out the window in season 6 with Cersei, Ollena and Ellaria inexplicably taking power. Like literally no explanation given whatsoever. Cersei should have been immediately executed.
It’s actually hilarious given the entire first few seasons were based on determining the legal ruler of Westeros. It’s also hilarious that they’re randomly bringing it up again.
Started watching is from the beginning again. I forgot how much I fecking despise the Lannisters.
As did I this week. Flew through S01 in no time at all. It’s still infuriating how ‘noble’ the Starks act during key moments whilst it appears everyone else around them is butchering anyone in sight. I don’t believe for a second such a family would exist in a place such as Westeros in the time period. It’s dog-eat-dog, ffs, and here we have the Starks going full-on Mother Teresa every two minutes.
Ugh.
Apparently the dragon riding scene had a line removed during the edit, wherein Jon comments that it felt like Raeghal knew where he wanted to go (they landed where Jon used to go hunting as a child). They removed it because it would have created hinted to Dany that Jon had a bond with the dragon, which would obviously concern her. If they had left that in then it would have made that scene seem a bit more worthwhile.
It sucks that something that would have made such a difference was edited out. It makes me wonder what else was removed. Which then begs the question of why is the episode so damn short compared to the others?!
It sucks that something that would have made such a difference was edited out. It makes me wonder what else was removed. Which then begs the question of why is the episode so damn short compared to the others?!
The rest of the episode included the unredacted Mueller report.
So do you guys think they will deal with the WWs in the next few episodes and the final ones will be about Cersei?
If so, then I'd be a bit disappointed. NK is a badass even though we know he'll be defeated while Cersei doesn't really pose that much of a threat at all.
If so, then I'd be a bit disappointed. NK is a badass even though we know he'll be defeated while Cersei doesn't really pose that much of a threat at all.
Ikr, she doesn’t even have elephants
Cersei commanded the biggest force in the region at the time. Robert's rebellion succeeded because he won a war.
GoT has repeatedly shown that (like the real events GRRM heavily borrowed from) what matters is your ability to win a fight. Legitimacy is one factor that convinces peoples to support you, but it's only one. To give a famous real-world example, William the Conqueror became king of England in 1066 not because he was the rightful heir to Edward and Harold wasn't, but because he duffed Harold up at Hastings. The fact that Edgar Aethling had a better claim than either of them was an irrelevancy.
Except Cersei was despised by the city. There would have been immediate rebellion if she killed of the incredibly popular Maergery. Not to mention this is based in a time where women aren’t considered equals. There is zero chance the people would have accepted Cersei as queen. If the Lannister forces that she “commanded” (she doesn’t) were so strong she could have dealt with the Sparrows/Tyrells at any point.
I know right of conquest is a thing. But Cersei showed none of that. She just became queen, they didn’t even bother to explain how. It just happened. If there had been scenes demonstrating how she secured power fair enough, but there was nothing. The king died, she reigned. Garbage.
Well Ned had Roberts will, and Cersei and all just shat on it and didnt care. So yeah, power is power.
I hope we get more stuff around WW and the symbols and why they chose now to come and all.
I hope we get more stuff around WW and the symbols and why they chose now to come and all.
I bet bran is actually evil and he invited the ice king past the wall. You can also see how he wants to tell jon stuff he doesnt need to know. Some people never want you to be happy, they want you to always be dependent on them. Jon needs to call out all the two faced and three eyed fake friends in his ranks.
"Do that the thing with your mouth, Jon Snow."
Now I think about it I can't remember if it's a line in the show. I'm guessing it is. It's definitely in the books though.
The order of 'rights' to the throne:
Jon
Dany
And if they are both dead or relinquish their claim - Gendry
They need to fly him up really high on a dragon and then push him off. Second time lucky and all that.
They could also drop mean one-liners on him as they do it, like, 'I thought ravens could fly,' or the classic, 'guess you didn't see that coming.'
The throne is not something you win in a law suit.
There is the Baratheon line of succession which produced Cersei/Gendry
and there is the Targaryen line of succession which produced Jon/Dany.
Baratheon loyalists say that their claim is superior because Robert won the throne in battle and ended the Targaryen dynasty.
Targaryan loyalists say that Robert was an usurper and his descendants have no valid claim.
There isn't really a consolidated line of succession which includes both houses, because they are mutually exclusive and people have to pick one.
In any case I reckon in the world of GOT the throne goes to whoever has the power to take it. Claims are more like a means of gathering support from other lords.
I mean Renly's claim consisted of the unproven incest allegation against Cersei's children and a feeling that he would be a better king than Stannis.
Based on the obvious friction they put on display between Dany and Sansa, I wouldn't be surprised if Dany becomes a 'shock-twist' end-game villain.
Just watching for the first time, about 7-8 eps into first season, think I'll probably manage to catch up by the time of the final couple episodes.
Johns gonna have to kill Dany isn’t he 
She’s gonna get mad with rage that he bent the knee and went back on his promise while he attempts to become the rightful king. He’ll probably try convince her to rule with him, but i can see her going crazy in the end, especially if he turns one of her dragons against her. While she tries to exert her authority over him and the entire kingdom he’ll have to kill her to end it.
At the end of it all John will denounce his right to the throne and take back his place of lord commander at the wall and, as a guess, instead of handing down his claim to the throne to Sansa he’ll disband it back to the seven separate kindoms for them all to live happy ever after for a few hundred years.
She’s gonna get mad with rage that he bent the knee and went back on his promise while he attempts to become the rightful king. He’ll probably try convince her to rule with him, but i can see her going crazy in the end, especially if he turns one of her dragons against her. While she tries to exert her authority over him and the entire kingdom he’ll have to kill her to end it.At the end of it all John will denounce his right to the throne and take back his place of lord commander at the wall and, as a guess, instead of handing down his claim to the throne to Sansa he’ll disband it back to the seven separate kindoms for them all to live happy ever after for a few hundred years.
Johns gonna have to kill Dany isn’t he
At the end of it all John will denounce his right to the throne and take back his place of lord commander at the wall and, as a guess, instead of handing down his claim to the throne to Sansa he’ll disband it back to the seven separate kindoms for them all to live happy ever after for a few hundred years.
I like it, but:
if they defeat the Night King then I imagine they won't need the wall or the watch anymore. Jon had already made peace with the wildlings.
Out of interest, have you managed to avoid spoilers? It's been a huge pop culture deal for the last 7 years and the big events seep their way throughout the internet.
Im not really sure if this counts as a spoiler or not, i dont think it is but regarding Baretheon/Targaryen claims to the the throne, i dont think this has been discussed on the TV show, ive not read the books but look up a lot of stuff on youtube and learnt this fact the other day:
Robert Baratheon has Targaryen blood. I think it was his great grandmother that was a Targ, which allowed him to take the throne legally. Also one of the reasons he wanted every Targ dead because his link was such a stretch that any real targaryen would almost certainly have a better claim to the throne.
Worth a read this - good insight as to what is going to happen with Dany.
the fact that she’s burnt them alive for a simple act of rebellion really, and a simple act of defiance
Maybe it's just me, but that sound so, so stupid to me. Like anyone else would have let them live, after they made their choice. Jon Snow himself executed someone, because he didn't follow his orders. I get that there would be concerns about the way it was carried out, but then again dragons and fire are the Targaryen thing and compared to what we have seen other lords and rulers do it's not even excessively sadistic.
It's like they paint this medieval world with all its gore and cruelty and suddenly Sam comes along as the game changer with his 21st century morals and conscience?
Maybe it's just me, but that sound so, so stupid to me. Like anyone else would have let them live, after they made their choice. Jon Snow himself executed someone, because he didn't follow his orders. I get that there would be concerns about the way it was carried out, but then again dragons and fire are the Targaryen thing and compared to what we have seen other lords and rulers do it's not even excessively sadistic.
It's like they paint this medieval world with all its gore and cruelty and suddenly Sam comes along as the game changer with his 21st century morals and conscience?
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They went to some lengths at the time to show what Dany did to POWs was definitely not kosher. Tyrion and Varys did not approve.
Hell, Rob just about lost a war for an execution related to the murder of Lannister POWs. Well, that and marrying a hot foreigner...
Hell, Rob just about lost a war for an execution related to the murder of Lannister POWs. Well, that and marrying a hot foreigner...
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Yeah, I've probably heard stuff but forgotten it. Even if I'd remembered stuff the names would have meant nothing to me. I switch off when people talk about stuff I'm not interested in. Was going to wait till it had completely finished but reckon there will be some major spoilers after the last 3 EPs or so.
Oh wait, I remember Hodor dies?
High time to cultivate a Matti Pellonpää look then.