Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Thought it was generally good set-up episode, with all the threads starting to tie together. Some of that was done better than others but now all the pieces are in close proximity again and we're getting the tie-backs to earlier plot points. And the characters are learning what we know. Season 8 should have two big battles so this and the next episode will set up the first one, the Great War between the living and the Night King's army. Then the 2nd half of the season will be the War for Westeros, with what I'm sure will be setup and the final loose-end tying.

In general though, the lack of polish once they've moved post-books is very obvious. It's like someone put together last season (and likely this one) based on Wikipedia summaries.
 
Did you miss the part where I stayed away from the thread to avoid being spoiled. If you are going to change the rules at the drop of a hat let people know about it. Outside of the thread.

I'll be sure to let you know next time..
 
I don't really know what to think anymore. I rewatched the first six seasons recently and it was just so shite compared to them, but at the same time I'm not sure what else they can do with so many characters and plots and reunions in the space of six episodes.

I'm sort of done expecting anything out of it now beyond Hollywood battles and epic moments.
 
I enjoyed it. This reunion in Winterfell mirrored the very first episode of the series in many ways and it served as a good reminder of the emotional journey and the transformation these characters have gone through. Especially the scene with Jamie nailed this. And of all the people in Westeros, the one who gives the main protagonist the "are you sure you're not thinking with your dick" line was Sansa... the little spoiled girl who was desperate to become queen and leave the North. Give them hell Lady Stark!
 
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I don't think Arya's character is completed yet. She's still to kill Cersei. Her entire story would be pointless if all she went through was to just avenge some Freys

Further speculation

Tyrion though I think is finished in this show. He took out Tywin, which in turn made Cersei the head of the lannisters and eventually queen. Over the last couple of seasons he's exposed that Danaerys is a very poor politician and wouldn't make a good queen. I don't know what he's got to offer in the story now

I just don't think they care about our feelings, or finishing Arya's ark - she's a popular character and an early death to someone who's universally popular, would be a huge shock. We're due for some unexpected shocks. I hope i'm wrong, but I'm preparing myself either way.

I agree on Tyrion, but who would kill him & how? He's never anywhere near the battlefield, and Cersei doesn't seem to prioritise killing him above Jamie right now.
 
I have absolutely no idea why people think Arya is destined to kill Cersei. They've barely interacted.
 


Anybody agree?

I'm ready for the destruction of my feelings - I've had this nervousness in my stomach that Arya's life will end very soon and i'm not sure why


I personally didn't want any of that soap opera, lovey dovey stuff, they were by far the worst parts of the episode :lol:

Bad shit is going to happen though, that's a given.
 
I just don't think they care about our feelings, or finishing Arya's ark - she's a popular character and an early death to someone who's universally popular, would be a huge shock. We're due for some unexpected shocks. I hope i'm wrong, but I'm preparing myself either way.

I agree on Tyrion, but who would kill him & how? He's never anywhere near the battlefield, and Cersei doesn't seem to prioritise killing him above Jamie right now.
Well it's set up for Bronn to kill him with the fancy crossbow. Hopefully before he makes any more crap jokes about Eunuchs.
 
I don't really know what to think anymore. I rewatched the first six seasons recently and it was just so shite compared to them, but at the same time I'm not sure what else they can do with so many characters and plots and reunions in the space of six episodes.

I'm sort of done expecting anything out of it now beyond Hollywood battles and epic moments.
I've been like that for a couple of years with it. I had hopes they might pull it back to form for the last series, but then that opening dialogue with Tyrion and Varys dashed them. It's just vapid and pretty now. I'll enjoy some of the scenes and the spectacle, but I try not to pay much attention to dialogue now. The bit towards the end with Berric in the castle was good watching because barely anyone was speaking and it was tense.
 
I personally didn't want any of that soap opera, lovey dovey stuff, they were by far the worst parts of the episode :lol:

Bad shit is going to happen though, that's a given.

I want all the chaos :drool:

Well it's set up for Bronn to kill him with the fancy crossbow. Hopefully before he makes any more crap jokes about Eunuchs.

That's a good point, I guess I don't believe Bronn has any conviction to kill Tyrion or Jamie.
 
Probably my biggest gripe thinking back was

seemingly nobody giving a flying feck when Bran said the NK had used the dead dragon to bring down the wall. Like.. he resurrected her dead fecking dragon and used it to bring down the wall and go south and nobody could give a shit?

I think that sums up my overall feelings towards the episode too. Every reunion and reveal was so rushed because they have to. Everyone just sort of hugged the person they hadn't seen in years and then moved straight on to a one or two line convo before walking off. It's frustrating to watch, especially when we get a fecking 10 minute teenage dragon ride romance scene.
 
Probably my biggest gripe thinking back was

seemingly nobody giving a flying feck when Bran said the NK had used the dead dragon to bring down the wall. Like.. he resurrected her dead fecking dragon and used it to bring down the wall and go south and nobody could give a shit?

I think that sums up my overall feelings towards the episode too. Every reunion and reveal was so rushed because they have to. Everyone just sort of hugged the person they hadn't seen in years and then moved straight on to a one or two line convo before walking off. It's frustrating to watch, especially when we get a fecking 10 minute teenage dragon ride romance scene.

Pretty much exactly this.

If that all doesn't show the lack of writing ability since the books, I don't know what will.
 
Probably my biggest gripe thinking back was

seemingly nobody giving a flying feck when Bran said the NK had used the dead dragon to bring down the wall. Like.. he resurrected her dead fecking dragon and used it to bring down the wall and go south and nobody could give a shit?

I think that sums up my overall feelings towards the episode too. Every reunion and reveal was so rushed because they have to. Everyone just sort of hugged the person they hadn't seen in years and then moved straight on to a one or two line convo before walking off. It's frustrating to watch, especially when we get a fecking 10 minute teenage dragon ride romance scene.

Tbf they cut straight to the next scene and the meeting with all
But dany seemed like she was grinning when her dragon got taken down last season
 
Jon Snow is not the heir to the Iron Throne. The Targs lost the throne so how in the name of feck would him or any Targ be the rightful heir? It's a Baratheon, not the people that lost the throne. That whole thing just felt like manufactured drama for later while ignoring he's fecking his aunt. Also he's in love with her now? He's barely known her.
 
He's barely known her.

Depends really how long they were at Dragonstone for to be fair, we don't really get a sense of time scale in Season 7, but given the circumstances and events both endured, it's no real surprise. I mean they were fecking last Season and they're both pretty young and could well be dead in the next few days. Hardly a shock really is it?
 
- The opening scene is alright I guess. Nice throwback to the first Winterfell scenes in the first season except it's some kid instead of Bran/Arya. They play the same music as well just to make sure you know they're mirroring the first episode. Did you get that? Ok good moving on.

- Why isn’t Dany’s army freezing? The show in earlier seasons always seemed to make a big deal of winter (winter is coming etc) but no one seems that bothered about the weather which doesn’t seem any different to what we’ve already seen in the north.

- Ok so the first lines of dialogue in the final season are balls jokes and you’d think they’d know by now that these aren’t funny anymore. As a side note what does Varys even do these days? Reckon he’ll get the Littlefinger treatment this season. Dragons flying over Winterfell was cool at least.

- Reunion the first: Bran and Jon seeing each other again is nice. I don’t remember any scenes they shared together before this but still. Then its ruined when Bran suddenly tells them that the wall’s fallen and that the white walkers have her dragon. You’d think she’d be a bit more cut up about this but no its not mentioned again next scene lets go.

- So that little Umbar kid has sent for his people to come to Winterfell but they haven’t come because they don’t have enough carriages supplies etc, so they send him to go get them. Why didn’t they just walk like Dany’s army did. I’ve given up trying to understand the geography of the show, but I don’t think there’s any ports near Winterfell so Dany, Jon etc. would’ve had to walk for some distance at least. Not like their army had horses either we just saw them march in. We can only assume the weather isn’t bad enough to hinder travel because they haven’t shown us that it is. The distance between the Umbar’s place and Winterfell can’t be that far either because the kid gets there before the end of the episode. Best not to think about timelines/geography etc at this point though because none of it ever adds up and only serves to give me a migraine.

- Then everyone starts arguing. Lady Mormont calls out Jon for bending the knee, everyone starts whinging when Tyrion says his family are coming to help them, Sansa starts moaning that they have too many people to feed after she’s just told kid Umbar to go and bring more people to feed, then she asks what dragons eat Sansa they are dragons what do you think they eat you moron shut up Sansa. “What do dragons eat” pfft. On an unrelated note, I wonder where Ghost has disappeared to...

- Gendry starts bringing in all the dragonglass. I always felt it was a bit strange to make this the only way to kill white walkers. Other than fire. And valerion steel. And water, apparently they can’t swim. It was interesting when you thought the substance was rare but no they’re now wheeling it in by the cart load meaning they’ll all be able to defend themselves with ease. Oh well.

- Then Tyrion sees Sansa and lord Royce I think his name is muttering to each other. Looks like they’re conspiring. Probably bitching about Dany after her cheek. I quite like that people still don’t really trust each other, makes more sense than them all getting along even in these circumstances, but it’ll probably lead to characters doing really annoying things and being really stupid.

- Reunion the second: Tyrion and Sansa haven’t seen each other since their wedding as they tell us. She apologises for leaving the people who mentally tormented her and murdered half her family. Tyrion seems to believe that Cersei “wants to survive” because she said she was pregnant and that’s why the Lannister army are coming. Wouldn’t her need to survive, as well as her general personality and previous actions throughout her entire life, indicate that her desire to survive will likely just make her more selfish and think more inwardly and thus less likely to send troops to support those she deems to be her enemies? I think Tyrion is likely still blinded by a genuine care for his family which could be quite interesting if the writers do more with it. Sansa says she used to think Tyrion was the cleverest man alive. Guess she just watched the episode where he tells everyone to go north and capture an undead person: it's enough to change anyone's mind.

- Reunion the third: its Jon and Arya! They shared one scene together in season 1 and now they are reunited at last! Arya still has needle, the sword Jon gave her, but seems reluctant to divulge into detail about what she’s done and where she’s been. She stands up for Sansa and says she’s the smartest person she’s ever met. U wot m8? Since when? Since you and her fell out in the last season for the stupidest reason ever before being rescued by your brother, the guy who literally does know everything? Why does everyone feel the need to comment on other people’s intelligence on this show? I liked that no music played during this scene and thought it would be cheesier than it ended up being so props for that.

- Kings Landing! Cersei is glad that the dead have broken through the wall, reminding us that she is indeed a bad guy. Euron arrives with the golden company he went to get and Yara is his captive. Another balls joke is made, and I resist the urge to skip ahead. I wish we were shown more of the mute crew, that’s a creepy concept. Euron’s entire motivation seems to be that he wants to bang the queen but of course everyone knows that the queen is just using him for an army and that he’s not actually going to bang the queen haha.

- Euron bangs the queen but not before explaining how many men he’s brought. Its 20k but some died cos someone cheated at dice but Euron can’t remember if it was them or him that cheated lolzy. Cersei is disappointed they didn’t bring elephants. Doesn’t matter though, she’ll still end up getting Euron’s trunk soon enough wayhaaaaay. Euron is desperate to bang the queen but Cersei says if he wants a whore he should buy one and if he wants a queen he should earn her. Euron is insolent towards her and they leave the room together to bang approximately ten seconds later.

- Bronn engages in a boring sex scene with three prostitutes. It’s not funny and Bronn annoys me. “Which girl?" haha Classic Bronn. Qyburn arrives to inform him that Cersei is willing to pay him loads to kill her brothers. He agrees because Bronn just loves gold and prostitutes and booze. I, for one, cannot wait to see how Bronn decides not to kill Tyrion or Jaime.

- Euron has banged the queen but doesn’t seem to have done a good job as she continues to pine for the elephants. Its probably for the best they didn’t bring them as they’d take up far too much of the budget and we’d miss out on more dragon scenes which simply would not do. The fat king sucked in bed apparently, finally now we know. Euron says he’s gonna put a prince in her belly. There’s already one there mate, but Cersei is drinking wine so maybe there isn’t idk.

- The guards on Euron’s ship are shot by arrows and die. This would’ve been an opportune time to make more of the fact that they’re mute but the scene is over before we know it and Theon has rescued Yara. I like that there’s no dialogue during this part: the show is usually better when no one is speaking.

- When they do start speaking it is quite nice though. Yara seems quite smart and wants to hide from the white walkers on the iron islands. More folk should do that, but no one likes the ironborns, especially the writers, so I guess everyone would rather die on the mainland than be stuck with them on their smelly island. She lets Theon go to Winterfell to help the Starks. This part is very rushed but its probably for the best, the ironborn haven’t gotten much attention on the show and there’s no time to make them interesting now so they might as well just get it out of the way and move on. Theon will probably die redeeming himself which would be a nice end to a decent character.

- Back to the north where Tyrion disses Davos’ sigil which is an onion. Davos cannot respond to this devastating putdown as Tyrion’s own sigil is a lion which is universally considered badass. Tyrion then has a go at Davos’ age. Davos smirks but it is clear that another intriguing feud is boiling underneath the surface here. With five episodes left, I expect this conflict to be developed and resolved in a satisfactory matter amidst the war of the living vs the dead. Davos proposes that Dany and Jon should marry because they are the main characters.

- I notice that Jon and Dany are both very small. This makes me feel superior to both and I am momentarily pleased until I am reminded that they have two dragons and I currently have none. They go to visit the dragons who are both very fake looking in this scene and apparently not eating because they don’t like the north. Dany gets on the dragon for no reason and tells Jon to get on the other one. He does this despite having no training or knowledge of dragons. Then the most embarrassing thing ever happens and they start flying the dragons around the mountains for a while and it reminds me of when Harry Potter flies the hippogriff in Harry Potter except the effects are much worse here and we see barely any emotion from the characters. I have no idea why this scene was included and I want it to die.

- Another most embarrassing thing ever happens straight after. Jon says Dany has ruined horses for him forever. Ok. Anyway, they see a waterfall which I think is a throwback to the caves Jon and his ex once banged in. Dany even says she wishes they could stay there for a thousand years but that would make them pretty old as Jon shrewdly points out, proving that it is in fact Jon who is the smartest person after all. They start kissing and I’m reminded of when Jon’s uncle warned him of all the things he’d be giving up to join the Nights Watch in the first episode: love, titles, family etc. I’ve always thought Jon was the main character on the show but even so it’s a bit ridiculous how he’s faced very little consequences from his own actions throughout and essentially become a king and the lover to the most beautiful woman in the world. And even when he finally did face consequences for his stupid honourable decisions in season 5 he just came back like nothing happened. “feck you Jon you perfect bastard”, I yell vehemently at my screen, enraged as he awkwardly smooches Dany in the snow. He is distracted by the fact that the dragons are watching them and the adverts mercifully spare me from exploding with cringe.

- Reunion the fourth: Arya and the Hound! Arya stands up to the Hound when he’s being mean to Gendry for forging weapons for them to use in the final fight. They are very cold to one another. I miss the Hound and Arya adventures they were quite fun back in the day.

- Reunion the fifth: TWO reunions in one scene say whaaat!?!? Gendry and Arya tease one another and a romantic subplot is set up. Gendry shamelessly steals the guy from the Princess Bride’s chat up line but Arya doesn’t appear to have seen the film as it works on her. I hope both characters never find happiness and die painfully. As a side note that drawing Arya gives Gendry is pitiful. I know she’s an assassin not an artist but come on it's like drawing someone a picture of a plane and telling him to build it.

- Back to Sansa and Jon. Sansa seems so bored about everything as she explains that House Glover have foolishly chosen to die off-camera rather than potentially survive with the main characters in Winterfell. She explains that Jon’s at fault because he doesn’t want to be king in the north anymore then asks him if he’s fighting for Dany because he loves her or if its just to help the north. Why can’t it be both? It is obviously both. We're not given an answer however as the eastenders theme plays in the background and we are taken to the next scene.

- Why does Sam get such a fright when he sees Dany in the library? Was he beating his meat or something? Probably not but it was so dark I couldn’t tell. The scene that follows is quite nice and probably the episode’s best as Sam learns that his family were burned alive. The camera holds on his face for so long that it becomes uncomfortable, but the acting is good and I like that this may have consequences later regarding peoples views on whether Dany will be a fair ruler or not.

- Sam goes outside where Bran suddenly decides that it’s time to tell Jon the truth because not much has happened in this episode and there are only ten minutes left. So Sam goes down to the crypts and tells Jon he’s Aegon Targaryen which Jon believes after about five seconds of minor doubt. I guess after all that he’s been through and all the interviews he’s had to give before the premiere Jon’s worked out at this point that he’s the main character so it’s easy enough to accept the fact that his entire upbringing was a lie. I had hoped that Jon would never find out and that his past would be something that we the audience knew but no one else did which would’ve been a nice way of avoiding the typical fantasy chosen one cliché. Sam then starts voicing his doubts about Dany based on the fact she justifiably executed the man who tormented and bullied Sam throughout his entire life and Jon himself seems unsure. Is that more conflict I smell? Hopefully it doesn’t get in the way of the Davos-Tyrion feud. Also, why is Jon’s name Aegon? Didn’t Rhaegar have another son who was called Aegon that the mountain killed when he was a child? So Rhaegar had two sons called Aegon born, at the most, a couple of years apart from one another? Classic Rhaegar.

- Next up we’re shown what I assume is the Umbar’s castle where the kid ran off too earlier. It’s night time now and everyone is dead. Tormund and Beric wander around the ruins and it’s quite tense and creepy but it’s all spoiled when they bump into Ed and there’s some cheap jokes thrown in and I become angry again. We see the sign of the white walkers on the wall where the boy Umbar is dead. I spend the next two seconds mourning the loss of this character. What’s up with that sign the white walkers keep using by the way? Is it like their calling card so we know it was them who killed all these people? If so, thank god it’s there because for a while I simply assumed Tyrion and Davos’ feud had escalated into the Umbar’s castle with disastrous consequences. They get me an absolute belter with the jump scare at this part and my rage grows.

- Reunion the sixth: The episode ends with Jaime arriving at Winterfell in disguise. I like Jaime he’s one of good guys. He sees Bran staring at him. Bran did this earlier with Tyrion. I think this is the show’s ingenious way of communicating to us that Bran, the character who knows everything, knows something. I like that this is the last and best reunion as Jaime’s decision to push Bran out the window is what started most of this shit off. It’s weird that the episode ends here though as it solidifies the point that almost nothing happened for 50 minutes.

- Conclusion: more of the same shit tbh. The writing, plot, dialogue etc. have been messy since season 4 (5 if we’re being generous) so I had no expectations there, but I thought that this episode did a terrible job of building suspense for the main conflict of the show as the white walkers weren’t shown at all nor did we see any proper preparations at Winterfell aside from the dragonglass. I haven’t seen the preview of the next episode but I’m going to assume that they’re all going to be too busy focusing on Jaime’s return and what to do with him rather than actually discussing strategy. If this has an actual consequence on the battle then I’ll probably be okay with it but, let’s face it, it probably won’t. Given that there’s only six episodes this season, the decision to have the premiere basically catching everyone up to speed and focusing on largely unemotional, fanservicey character reunions is bizarre as is splurging a lot of the budget on a fake-ass looking romcom sequence that largely accomplishes sweet feck all. The camera work, as usual, is as boring and uncreative as ever: scenes consistently continue to show two or three characters doing nothing but spouting terribly written dialogue in a single, dull location. You could argue that Jon being told of his origins is one of the most important moments in the show (I wish it wasn’t but that’s how it’s been set up) yet they decided to shoot it in a dark location, jumping back and forth between two characters, one of whom is expositioning everything to the other like a convenient Wikipedia page in need of a citation check. It’s just so lazy and you can tell the showrunners have completely run out of steam at this point (I personally believe they lost most of their motivation after the Red Wedding) and are happy to just hit the major plot points and throw in a few grand battle sequences that'll see them sweep up all the awards they’ll likely get for all this bs.

- Can’t wait for next week 3/10
 
- The opening scene is alright I guess. Nice throwback to the first Winterfell scenes in the first season except it's some kid instead of Bran/Arya. They play the same music as well just to make sure you know they're mirroring the first episode. Did you get that? Ok good moving on.

- Why isn’t Dany’s army freezing? The show in earlier seasons always seemed to make a big deal of winter (winter is coming etc) but no one seems that bothered about the weather which doesn’t seem any different to what we’ve already seen in the north.

- Ok so the first lines of dialogue in the final season are balls jokes and you’d think they’d know by now that these aren’t funny anymore. As a side note what does Varys even do these days? Reckon he’ll get the Littlefinger treatment this season. Dragons flying over Winterfell was cool at least.

- Reunion the first: Bran and Jon seeing each other again is nice. I don’t remember any scenes they shared together before this but still. Then its ruined when Bran suddenly tells them that the wall’s fallen and that the white walkers have her dragon. You’d think she’d be a bit more cut up about this but no its not mentioned again next scene lets go.

- So that little Umbar kid has sent for his people to come to Winterfell but they haven’t come because they don’t have enough carriages supplies etc, so they send him to go get them. Why didn’t they just walk like Dany’s army did. I’ve given up trying to understand the geography of the show, but I don’t think there’s any ports near Winterfell so Dany, Jon etc. would’ve had to walk for some distance at least. Not like their army had horses either we just saw them march in. We can only assume the weather isn’t bad enough to hinder travel because they haven’t shown us that it is. The distance between the Umbar’s place and Winterfell can’t be that far either because the kid gets there before the end of the episode. Best not to think about timelines/geography etc at this point though because none of it ever adds up and only serves to give me a migraine.

- Then everyone starts arguing. Lady Mormont calls out Jon for bending the knee, everyone starts whinging when Tyrion says his family are coming to help them, Sansa starts moaning that they have too many people to feed after she’s just told kid Umbar to go and bring more people to feed, then she asks what dragons eat Sansa they are dragons what do you think they eat you moron shut up Sansa. “What do dragons eat” pfft. On an unrelated note, I wonder where Ghost has disappeared to...

- Gendry starts bringing in all the dragonglass. I always felt it was a bit strange to make this the only way to kill white walkers. Other than fire. And valerion steel. And water, apparently they can’t swim. It was interesting when you thought the substance was rare but no they’re now wheeling it in by the cart load meaning they’ll all be able to defend themselves with ease. Oh well.

- Then Tyrion sees Sansa and lord Royce I think his name is muttering to each other. Looks like they’re conspiring. Probably bitching about Dany after her cheek. I quite like that people still don’t really trust each other, makes more sense than them all getting along even in these circumstances, but it’ll probably lead to characters doing really annoying things and being really stupid.

- Reunion the second: Tyrion and Sansa haven’t seen each other since their wedding as they tell us. She apologises for leaving the people who mentally tormented her and murdered half her family. Tyrion seems to believe that Cersei “wants to survive” because she said she was pregnant and that’s why the Lannister army are coming. Wouldn’t her need to survive, as well as her general personality and previous actions throughout her entire life, indicate that her desire to survive will likely just make her more selfish and think more inwardly and thus less likely to send troops to support those she deems to be her enemies? I think Tyrion is likely still blinded by a genuine care for his family which could be quite interesting if the writers do more with it. Sansa says she used to think Tyrion was the cleverest man alive. Guess she just watched the episode where he tells everyone to go north and capture an undead person: it's enough to change anyone's mind.

- Reunion the third: its Jon and Arya! They shared one scene together in season 1 and now they are reunited at last! Arya still has needle, the sword Jon gave her, but seems reluctant to divulge into detail about what she’s done and where she’s been. She stands up for Sansa and says she’s the smartest person she’s ever met. U wot m8? Since when? Since you and her fell out in the last season for the stupidest reason ever before being rescued by your brother, the guy who literally does know everything? Why does everyone feel the need to comment on other people’s intelligence on this show? I liked that no music played during this scene and thought it would be cheesier than it ended up being so props for that.

- Kings Landing! Cersei is glad that the dead have broken through the wall, reminding us that she is indeed a bad guy. Euron arrives with the golden company he went to get and Yara is his captive. Another balls joke is made, and I resist the urge to skip ahead. I wish we were shown more of the mute crew, that’s a creepy concept. Euron’s entire motivation seems to be that he wants to bang the queen but of course everyone knows that the queen is just using him for an army and that he’s not actually going to bang the queen haha.

- Euron bangs the queen but not before explaining how many men he’s brought. Its 20k but some died cos someone cheated at dice but Euron can’t remember if it was them or him that cheated lolzy. Cersei is disappointed they didn’t bring elephants. Doesn’t matter though, she’ll still end up getting Euron’s trunk soon enough wayhaaaaay. Euron is desperate to bang the queen but Cersei says if he wants a whore he should buy one and if he wants a queen he should earn her. Euron is insolent towards her and they leave the room together to bang approximately ten seconds later.

- Bronn engages in a boring sex scene with three prostitutes. It’s not funny and Bronn annoys me. “Which girl?" haha Classic Bronn. Qyburn arrives to inform him that Cersei is willing to pay him loads to kill her brothers. He agrees because Bronn just loves gold and prostitutes and booze. I, for one, cannot wait to see how Bronn decides not to kill Tyrion or Jaime.

- Euron has banged the queen but doesn’t seem to have done a good job as she continues to pine for the elephants. Its probably for the best they didn’t bring them as they’d take up far too much of the budget and we’d miss out on more dragon scenes which simply would not do. The fat king sucked in bed apparently, finally now we know. Euron says he’s gonna put a prince in her belly. There’s already one there mate, but Cersei is drinking wine so maybe there isn’t idk.

- The guards on Euron’s ship are shot by arrows and die. This would’ve been an opportune time to make more of the fact that they’re mute but the scene is over before we know it and Theon has rescued Yara. I like that there’s no dialogue during this part: the show is usually better when no one is speaking.

- When they do start speaking it is quite nice though. Yara seems quite smart and wants to hide from the white walkers on the iron islands. More folk should do that, but no one likes the ironborns, especially the writers, so I guess everyone would rather die on the mainland than be stuck with them on their smelly island. She lets Theon go to Winterfell to help the Starks. This part is very rushed but its probably for the best, the ironborn haven’t gotten much attention on the show and there’s no time to make them interesting now so they might as well just get it out of the way and move on. Theon will probably die redeeming himself which would be a nice end to a decent character.

- Back to the north where Tyrion disses Davos’ sigil which is an onion. Davos cannot respond to this devastating putdown as Tyrion’s own sigil is a lion which is universally considered badass. Tyrion then has a go at Davos’ age. Davos smirks but it is clear that another intriguing feud is boiling underneath the surface here. With five episodes left, I expect this conflict to be developed and resolved in a satisfactory matter amidst the war of the living vs the dead. Davos proposes that Dany and Jon should marry because they are the main characters.

- I notice that Jon and Dany are both very small. This makes me feel superior to both and I am momentarily pleased until I am reminded that they have two dragons and I currently have none. They go to visit the dragons who are both very fake looking in this scene and apparently not eating because they don’t like the north. Dany gets on the dragon for no reason and tells Jon to get on the other one. He does this despite having no training or knowledge of dragons. Then the most embarrassing thing ever happens and they start flying the dragons around the mountains for a while and it reminds me of when Harry Potter flies the hippogriff in Harry Potter except the effects are much worse here and we see barely any emotion from the characters. I have no idea why this scene was included and I want it to die.

- Another most embarrassing thing ever happens straight after. Jon says Dany has ruined horses for him forever. Ok. Anyway, they see a waterfall which I think is a throwback to the caves Jon and his ex once banged in. Dany even says she wishes they could stay there for a thousand years but that would make them pretty old as Jon shrewdly points out, proving that it is in fact Jon who is the smartest person after all. They start kissing and I’m reminded of when Jon’s uncle warned him of all the things he’d be giving up to join the Nights Watch in the first episode: love, titles, family etc. I’ve always thought Jon was the main character on the show but even so it’s a bit ridiculous how he’s faced very little consequences from his own actions throughout and essentially become a king and the lover to the most beautiful woman in the world. And even when he finally did face consequences for his stupid honourable decisions in season 5 he just came back like nothing happened. “feck you Jon you perfect bastard”, I yell vehemently at my screen, enraged as he awkwardly smooches Dany in the snow. He is distracted by the fact that the dragons are watching them and the adverts mercifully spare me from exploding with cringe.

- Reunion the fourth: Arya and the Hound! Arya stands up to the Hound when he’s being mean to Gendry for forging weapons for them to use in the final fight. They are very cold to one another. I miss the Hound and Arya adventures they were quite fun back in the day.

- Reunion the fifth: TWO reunions in one scene say whaaat!?!? Gendry and Arya tease one another and a romantic subplot is set up. Gendry shamelessly steals the guy from the Princess Bride’s chat up line but Arya doesn’t appear to have seen the film as it works on her. I hope both characters never find happiness and die painfully. As a side note that drawing Arya gives Gendry is pitiful. I know she’s an assassin not an artist but come on it's like drawing someone a picture of a plane and telling him to build it.

- Back to Sansa and Jon. Sansa seems so bored about everything as she explains that House Glover have foolishly chosen to die off-camera rather than potentially survive with the main characters in Winterfell. She explains that Jon’s at fault because he doesn’t want to be king in the north anymore then asks him if he’s fighting for Dany because he loves her or if its just to help the north. Why can’t it be both? It is obviously both. We're not given an answer however as the eastenders theme plays in the background and we are taken to the next scene.

- Why does Sam get such a fright when he sees Dany in the library? Was he beating his meat or something? Probably not but it was so dark I couldn’t tell. The scene that follows is quite nice and probably the episode’s best as Sam learns that his family were burned alive. The camera holds on his face for so long that it becomes uncomfortable, but the acting is good and I like that this may have consequences later regarding peoples views on whether Dany will be a fair ruler or not.

- Sam goes outside where Bran suddenly decides that it’s time to tell Jon the truth because not much has happened in this episode and there are only ten minutes left. So Sam goes down to the crypts and tells Jon he’s Aegon Targaryen which Jon believes after about five seconds of minor doubt. I guess after all that he’s been through and all the interviews he’s had to give before the premiere Jon’s worked out at this point that he’s the main character so it’s easy enough to accept the fact that his entire upbringing was a lie. I had hoped that Jon would never find out and that his past would be something that we the audience knew but no one else did which would’ve been a nice way of avoiding the typical fantasy chosen one cliché. Sam then starts voicing his doubts about Dany based on the fact she justifiably executed the man who tormented and bullied Sam throughout his entire life and Jon himself seems unsure. Is that more conflict I smell? Hopefully it doesn’t get in the way of the Davos-Tyrion feud. Also, why is Jon’s name Aegon? Didn’t Rhaegar have another son who was called Aegon that the mountain killed when he was a child? So Rhaegar had two sons called Aegon born, at the most, a couple of years apart from one another? Classic Rhaegar.

- Next up we’re shown what I assume is the Umbar’s castle where the kid ran off too earlier. It’s night time now and everyone is dead. Tormund and Beric wander around the ruins and it’s quite tense and creepy but it’s all spoiled when they bump into Ed and there’s some cheap jokes thrown in and I become angry again. We see the sign of the white walkers on the wall where the boy Umbar is dead. I spend the next two seconds mourning the loss of this character. What’s up with that sign the white walkers keep using by the way? Is it like their calling card so we know it was them who killed all these people? If so, thank god it’s there because for a while I simply assumed Tyrion and Davos’ feud had escalated into the Umbar’s castle with disastrous consequences. They get me an absolute belter with the jump scare at this part and my rage grows.

- Reunion the sixth: The episode ends with Jaime arriving at Winterfell in disguise. I like Jaime he’s one of good guys. He sees Bran staring at him. Bran did this earlier with Tyrion. I think this is the show’s ingenious way of communicating to us that Bran, the character who knows everything, knows something. I like that this is the last and best reunion as Jaime’s decision to push Bran out the window is what started most of this shit off. It’s weird that the episode ends here though as it solidifies the point that almost nothing happened for 50 minutes.

- Conclusion: more of the same shit tbh. The writing, plot, dialogue etc. have been messy since season 4 (5 if we’re being generous) so I had no expectations there, but I thought that this episode did a terrible job of building suspense for the main conflict of the show as the white walkers weren’t shown at all nor did we see any proper preparations at Winterfell aside from the dragonglass. I haven’t seen the preview of the next episode but I’m going to assume that they’re all going to be too busy focusing on Jaime’s return and what to do with him rather than actually discussing strategy. If this has an actual consequence on the battle then I’ll probably be okay with it but, let’s face it, it probably won’t. Given that there’s only six episodes this season, the decision to have the premiere basically catching everyone up to speed and focusing on largely unemotional, fanservicey character reunions is bizarre as is splurging a lot of the budget on a fake-ass looking romcom sequence that largely accomplishes sweet feck all. The camera work, as usual, is as boring and uncreative as ever: scenes consistently continue to show two or three characters doing nothing but spouting terribly written dialogue in a single, dull location. You could argue that Jon being told of his origins is one of the most important moments in the show (I wish it wasn’t but that’s how it’s been set up) yet they decided to shoot it in a dark location, jumping back and forth between two characters, one of whom is expositioning everything to the other like a convenient Wikipedia page in need of a citation check. It’s just so lazy and you can tell the showrunners have completely run out of steam at this point (I personally believe they lost most of their motivation after the Red Wedding) and are happy to just hit the major plot points and throw in a few grand battle sequences that'll see them sweep up all the awards they’ll likely get for all this bs.

- Can’t wait for next week 3/10
Bravo
 
This spoiler policy for aired episodes is seriously lame. The feck is the point? Aired episodes aren't future/speculation talk. Those that haven't watched and don't want it spoiled have absolutely no business in the latter parts of this thread.

Just seen the episode and came here for the reactions. Met with 5 pages of spoilers. That's over 200 unnecessary clicks opening all the tags, not to mention the tags in the quotes also need opening for context. Gave up fairly quickly because quite frankly that's a tiring and pointless process.

What's next? 24h spoilers in the matchday forum?
 
This spoiler policy for aired episodes is seriously lame. The feck is the point? Aired episodes aren't future/speculation talk. Those that haven't watched and don't want it spoiled have absolutely no business in the latter parts of this thread.

Just seen the episode and came here for the reactions. Met with 5 pages of spoilers. That's over 200 unnecessary clicks opening all the tags, not to mention the tags in the quotes also need opening for context. Gave up fairly quickly because quite frankly that's a tiring and pointless process.

What's next? 24h spoilers in the matchday forum?

Yep it makes no sense. Just come in here once you've seen the episode, just like we did for the previous seven seasons. Why would anyone want to enter this thread on the day the new episode aired without having seen it?
 
- The opening scene is alright I guess. Nice throwback to the first Winterfell scenes in the first season except it's some kid instead of Bran/Arya. They play the same music as well just to make sure you know they're mirroring the first episode. Did you get that? Ok good moving on.

- Why isn’t Dany’s army freezing? The show in earlier seasons always seemed to make a big deal of winter (winter is coming etc) but no one seems that bothered about the weather which doesn’t seem any different to what we’ve already seen in the north.

- Ok so the first lines of dialogue in the final season are balls jokes and you’d think they’d know by now that these aren’t funny anymore. As a side note what does Varys even do these days? Reckon he’ll get the Littlefinger treatment this season. Dragons flying over Winterfell was cool at least.

- Reunion the first: Bran and Jon seeing each other again is nice. I don’t remember any scenes they shared together before this but still. Then its ruined when Bran suddenly tells them that the wall’s fallen and that the white walkers have her dragon. You’d think she’d be a bit more cut up about this but no its not mentioned again next scene lets go.

- So that little Umbar kid has sent for his people to come to Winterfell but they haven’t come because they don’t have enough carriages supplies etc, so they send him to go get them. Why didn’t they just walk like Dany’s army did. I’ve given up trying to understand the geography of the show, but I don’t think there’s any ports near Winterfell so Dany, Jon etc. would’ve had to walk for some distance at least. Not like their army had horses either we just saw them march in. We can only assume the weather isn’t bad enough to hinder travel because they haven’t shown us that it is. The distance between the Umbar’s place and Winterfell can’t be that far either because the kid gets there before the end of the episode. Best not to think about timelines/geography etc at this point though because none of it ever adds up and only serves to give me a migraine.

- Then everyone starts arguing. Lady Mormont calls out Jon for bending the knee, everyone starts whinging when Tyrion says his family are coming to help them, Sansa starts moaning that they have too many people to feed after she’s just told kid Umbar to go and bring more people to feed, then she asks what dragons eat Sansa they are dragons what do you think they eat you moron shut up Sansa. “What do dragons eat” pfft. On an unrelated note, I wonder where Ghost has disappeared to...

- Gendry starts bringing in all the dragonglass. I always felt it was a bit strange to make this the only way to kill white walkers. Other than fire. And valerion steel. And water, apparently they can’t swim. It was interesting when you thought the substance was rare but no they’re now wheeling it in by the cart load meaning they’ll all be able to defend themselves with ease. Oh well.

- Then Tyrion sees Sansa and lord Royce I think his name is muttering to each other. Looks like they’re conspiring. Probably bitching about Dany after her cheek. I quite like that people still don’t really trust each other, makes more sense than them all getting along even in these circumstances, but it’ll probably lead to characters doing really annoying things and being really stupid.

- Reunion the second: Tyrion and Sansa haven’t seen each other since their wedding as they tell us. She apologises for leaving the people who mentally tormented her and murdered half her family. Tyrion seems to believe that Cersei “wants to survive” because she said she was pregnant and that’s why the Lannister army are coming. Wouldn’t her need to survive, as well as her general personality and previous actions throughout her entire life, indicate that her desire to survive will likely just make her more selfish and think more inwardly and thus less likely to send troops to support those she deems to be her enemies? I think Tyrion is likely still blinded by a genuine care for his family which could be quite interesting if the writers do more with it. Sansa says she used to think Tyrion was the cleverest man alive. Guess she just watched the episode where he tells everyone to go north and capture an undead person: it's enough to change anyone's mind.

- Reunion the third: its Jon and Arya! They shared one scene together in season 1 and now they are reunited at last! Arya still has needle, the sword Jon gave her, but seems reluctant to divulge into detail about what she’s done and where she’s been. She stands up for Sansa and says she’s the smartest person she’s ever met. U wot m8? Since when? Since you and her fell out in the last season for the stupidest reason ever before being rescued by your brother, the guy who literally does know everything? Why does everyone feel the need to comment on other people’s intelligence on this show? I liked that no music played during this scene and thought it would be cheesier than it ended up being so props for that.

- Kings Landing! Cersei is glad that the dead have broken through the wall, reminding us that she is indeed a bad guy. Euron arrives with the golden company he went to get and Yara is his captive. Another balls joke is made, and I resist the urge to skip ahead. I wish we were shown more of the mute crew, that’s a creepy concept. Euron’s entire motivation seems to be that he wants to bang the queen but of course everyone knows that the queen is just using him for an army and that he’s not actually going to bang the queen haha.

- Euron bangs the queen but not before explaining how many men he’s brought. Its 20k but some died cos someone cheated at dice but Euron can’t remember if it was them or him that cheated lolzy. Cersei is disappointed they didn’t bring elephants. Doesn’t matter though, she’ll still end up getting Euron’s trunk soon enough wayhaaaaay. Euron is desperate to bang the queen but Cersei says if he wants a whore he should buy one and if he wants a queen he should earn her. Euron is insolent towards her and they leave the room together to bang approximately ten seconds later.

- Bronn engages in a boring sex scene with three prostitutes. It’s not funny and Bronn annoys me. “Which girl?" haha Classic Bronn. Qyburn arrives to inform him that Cersei is willing to pay him loads to kill her brothers. He agrees because Bronn just loves gold and prostitutes and booze. I, for one, cannot wait to see how Bronn decides not to kill Tyrion or Jaime.

- Euron has banged the queen but doesn’t seem to have done a good job as she continues to pine for the elephants. Its probably for the best they didn’t bring them as they’d take up far too much of the budget and we’d miss out on more dragon scenes which simply would not do. The fat king sucked in bed apparently, finally now we know. Euron says he’s gonna put a prince in her belly. There’s already one there mate, but Cersei is drinking wine so maybe there isn’t idk.

- The guards on Euron’s ship are shot by arrows and die. This would’ve been an opportune time to make more of the fact that they’re mute but the scene is over before we know it and Theon has rescued Yara. I like that there’s no dialogue during this part: the show is usually better when no one is speaking.

- When they do start speaking it is quite nice though. Yara seems quite smart and wants to hide from the white walkers on the iron islands. More folk should do that, but no one likes the ironborns, especially the writers, so I guess everyone would rather die on the mainland than be stuck with them on their smelly island. She lets Theon go to Winterfell to help the Starks. This part is very rushed but its probably for the best, the ironborn haven’t gotten much attention on the show and there’s no time to make them interesting now so they might as well just get it out of the way and move on. Theon will probably die redeeming himself which would be a nice end to a decent character.

- Back to the north where Tyrion disses Davos’ sigil which is an onion. Davos cannot respond to this devastating putdown as Tyrion’s own sigil is a lion which is universally considered badass. Tyrion then has a go at Davos’ age. Davos smirks but it is clear that another intriguing feud is boiling underneath the surface here. With five episodes left, I expect this conflict to be developed and resolved in a satisfactory matter amidst the war of the living vs the dead. Davos proposes that Dany and Jon should marry because they are the main characters.

- I notice that Jon and Dany are both very small. This makes me feel superior to both and I am momentarily pleased until I am reminded that they have two dragons and I currently have none. They go to visit the dragons who are both very fake looking in this scene and apparently not eating because they don’t like the north. Dany gets on the dragon for no reason and tells Jon to get on the other one. He does this despite having no training or knowledge of dragons. Then the most embarrassing thing ever happens and they start flying the dragons around the mountains for a while and it reminds me of when Harry Potter flies the hippogriff in Harry Potter except the effects are much worse here and we see barely any emotion from the characters. I have no idea why this scene was included and I want it to die.

- Another most embarrassing thing ever happens straight after. Jon says Dany has ruined horses for him forever. Ok. Anyway, they see a waterfall which I think is a throwback to the caves Jon and his ex once banged in. Dany even says she wishes they could stay there for a thousand years but that would make them pretty old as Jon shrewdly points out, proving that it is in fact Jon who is the smartest person after all. They start kissing and I’m reminded of when Jon’s uncle warned him of all the things he’d be giving up to join the Nights Watch in the first episode: love, titles, family etc. I’ve always thought Jon was the main character on the show but even so it’s a bit ridiculous how he’s faced very little consequences from his own actions throughout and essentially become a king and the lover to the most beautiful woman in the world. And even when he finally did face consequences for his stupid honourable decisions in season 5 he just came back like nothing happened. “feck you Jon you perfect bastard”, I yell vehemently at my screen, enraged as he awkwardly smooches Dany in the snow. He is distracted by the fact that the dragons are watching them and the adverts mercifully spare me from exploding with cringe.

- Reunion the fourth: Arya and the Hound! Arya stands up to the Hound when he’s being mean to Gendry for forging weapons for them to use in the final fight. They are very cold to one another. I miss the Hound and Arya adventures they were quite fun back in the day.

- Reunion the fifth: TWO reunions in one scene say whaaat!?!? Gendry and Arya tease one another and a romantic subplot is set up. Gendry shamelessly steals the guy from the Princess Bride’s chat up line but Arya doesn’t appear to have seen the film as it works on her. I hope both characters never find happiness and die painfully. As a side note that drawing Arya gives Gendry is pitiful. I know she’s an assassin not an artist but come on it's like drawing someone a picture of a plane and telling him to build it.

- Back to Sansa and Jon. Sansa seems so bored about everything as she explains that House Glover have foolishly chosen to die off-camera rather than potentially survive with the main characters in Winterfell. She explains that Jon’s at fault because he doesn’t want to be king in the north anymore then asks him if he’s fighting for Dany because he loves her or if its just to help the north. Why can’t it be both? It is obviously both. We're not given an answer however as the eastenders theme plays in the background and we are taken to the next scene.

- Why does Sam get such a fright when he sees Dany in the library? Was he beating his meat or something? Probably not but it was so dark I couldn’t tell. The scene that follows is quite nice and probably the episode’s best as Sam learns that his family were burned alive. The camera holds on his face for so long that it becomes uncomfortable, but the acting is good and I like that this may have consequences later regarding peoples views on whether Dany will be a fair ruler or not.

- Sam goes outside where Bran suddenly decides that it’s time to tell Jon the truth because not much has happened in this episode and there are only ten minutes left. So Sam goes down to the crypts and tells Jon he’s Aegon Targaryen which Jon believes after about five seconds of minor doubt. I guess after all that he’s been through and all the interviews he’s had to give before the premiere Jon’s worked out at this point that he’s the main character so it’s easy enough to accept the fact that his entire upbringing was a lie. I had hoped that Jon would never find out and that his past would be something that we the audience knew but no one else did which would’ve been a nice way of avoiding the typical fantasy chosen one cliché. Sam then starts voicing his doubts about Dany based on the fact she justifiably executed the man who tormented and bullied Sam throughout his entire life and Jon himself seems unsure. Is that more conflict I smell? Hopefully it doesn’t get in the way of the Davos-Tyrion feud. Also, why is Jon’s name Aegon? Didn’t Rhaegar have another son who was called Aegon that the mountain killed when he was a child? So Rhaegar had two sons called Aegon born, at the most, a couple of years apart from one another? Classic Rhaegar.

- Next up we’re shown what I assume is the Umbar’s castle where the kid ran off too earlier. It’s night time now and everyone is dead. Tormund and Beric wander around the ruins and it’s quite tense and creepy but it’s all spoiled when they bump into Ed and there’s some cheap jokes thrown in and I become angry again. We see the sign of the white walkers on the wall where the boy Umbar is dead. I spend the next two seconds mourning the loss of this character. What’s up with that sign the white walkers keep using by the way? Is it like their calling card so we know it was them who killed all these people? If so, thank god it’s there because for a while I simply assumed Tyrion and Davos’ feud had escalated into the Umbar’s castle with disastrous consequences. They get me an absolute belter with the jump scare at this part and my rage grows.

- Reunion the sixth: The episode ends with Jaime arriving at Winterfell in disguise. I like Jaime he’s one of good guys. He sees Bran staring at him. Bran did this earlier with Tyrion. I think this is the show’s ingenious way of communicating to us that Bran, the character who knows everything, knows something. I like that this is the last and best reunion as Jaime’s decision to push Bran out the window is what started most of this shit off. It’s weird that the episode ends here though as it solidifies the point that almost nothing happened for 50 minutes.

- Conclusion: more of the same shit tbh. The writing, plot, dialogue etc. have been messy since season 4 (5 if we’re being generous) so I had no expectations there, but I thought that this episode did a terrible job of building suspense for the main conflict of the show as the white walkers weren’t shown at all nor did we see any proper preparations at Winterfell aside from the dragonglass. I haven’t seen the preview of the next episode but I’m going to assume that they’re all going to be too busy focusing on Jaime’s return and what to do with him rather than actually discussing strategy. If this has an actual consequence on the battle then I’ll probably be okay with it but, let’s face it, it probably won’t. Given that there’s only six episodes this season, the decision to have the premiere basically catching everyone up to speed and focusing on largely unemotional, fanservicey character reunions is bizarre as is splurging a lot of the budget on a fake-ass looking romcom sequence that largely accomplishes sweet feck all. The camera work, as usual, is as boring and uncreative as ever: scenes consistently continue to show two or three characters doing nothing but spouting terribly written dialogue in a single, dull location. You could argue that Jon being told of his origins is one of the most important moments in the show (I wish it wasn’t but that’s how it’s been set up) yet they decided to shoot it in a dark location, jumping back and forth between two characters, one of whom is expositioning everything to the other like a convenient Wikipedia page in need of a citation check. It’s just so lazy and you can tell the showrunners have completely run out of steam at this point (I personally believe they lost most of their motivation after the Red Wedding) and are happy to just hit the major plot points and throw in a few grand battle sequences that'll see them sweep up all the awards they’ll likely get for all this bs.

- Can’t wait for next week 3/10

Pretty much perfect in summing up my feelings. I don't know how you had the ability the flesh it all out, but I agree with every single point.
 
I read through the whole thing, Marc. I found it fun to read, too.

I notice that Jon and Dany are both very small. This makes me feel superior to both and I am momentarily pleased until I am reminded that they have two dragons and I currently have none.

:lol:
 
Imagine taking the time to write all that text for something you thought was shit.

It's probably because he wanted it to be really really good. Like a lot of us, he probably spent so much time watching (dare I also say reading?) and speculating about this show that when the directors serve up a sub-par filler experience in the first of a six-part finale (spending a decent chunk of the budget on cringey CGI), he is disappointed. I don't know if that's the case with Marc, it definitely is the case with me.
 
- The opening scene is alright I guess. Nice throwback to the first Winterfell scenes in the first season except it's some kid instead of Bran/Arya. They play the same music as well just to make sure you know they're mirroring the first episode. Did you get that? Ok good moving on.

- Why isn’t Dany’s army freezing? The show in earlier seasons always seemed to make a big deal of winter (winter is coming etc) but no one seems that bothered about the weather which doesn’t seem any different to what we’ve already seen in the north.

- Ok so the first lines of dialogue in the final season are balls jokes and you’d think they’d know by now that these aren’t funny anymore. As a side note what does Varys even do these days? Reckon he’ll get the Littlefinger treatment this season. Dragons flying over Winterfell was cool at least.

- Reunion the first: Bran and Jon seeing each other again is nice. I don’t remember any scenes they shared together before this but still. Then its ruined when Bran suddenly tells them that the wall’s fallen and that the white walkers have her dragon. You’d think she’d be a bit more cut up about this but no its not mentioned again next scene lets go.

- So that little Umbar kid has sent for his people to come to Winterfell but they haven’t come because they don’t have enough carriages supplies etc, so they send him to go get them. Why didn’t they just walk like Dany’s army did. I’ve given up trying to understand the geography of the show, but I don’t think there’s any ports near Winterfell so Dany, Jon etc. would’ve had to walk for some distance at least. Not like their army had horses either we just saw them march in. We can only assume the weather isn’t bad enough to hinder travel because they haven’t shown us that it is. The distance between the Umbar’s place and Winterfell can’t be that far either because the kid gets there before the end of the episode. Best not to think about timelines/geography etc at this point though because none of it ever adds up and only serves to give me a migraine.

- Then everyone starts arguing. Lady Mormont calls out Jon for bending the knee, everyone starts whinging when Tyrion says his family are coming to help them, Sansa starts moaning that they have too many people to feed after she’s just told kid Umbar to go and bring more people to feed, then she asks what dragons eat Sansa they are dragons what do you think they eat you moron shut up Sansa. “What do dragons eat” pfft. On an unrelated note, I wonder where Ghost has disappeared to...

- Gendry starts bringing in all the dragonglass. I always felt it was a bit strange to make this the only way to kill white walkers. Other than fire. And valerion steel. And water, apparently they can’t swim. It was interesting when you thought the substance was rare but no they’re now wheeling it in by the cart load meaning they’ll all be able to defend themselves with ease. Oh well.

- Then Tyrion sees Sansa and lord Royce I think his name is muttering to each other. Looks like they’re conspiring. Probably bitching about Dany after her cheek. I quite like that people still don’t really trust each other, makes more sense than them all getting along even in these circumstances, but it’ll probably lead to characters doing really annoying things and being really stupid.

- Reunion the second: Tyrion and Sansa haven’t seen each other since their wedding as they tell us. She apologises for leaving the people who mentally tormented her and murdered half her family. Tyrion seems to believe that Cersei “wants to survive” because she said she was pregnant and that’s why the Lannister army are coming. Wouldn’t her need to survive, as well as her general personality and previous actions throughout her entire life, indicate that her desire to survive will likely just make her more selfish and think more inwardly and thus less likely to send troops to support those she deems to be her enemies? I think Tyrion is likely still blinded by a genuine care for his family which could be quite interesting if the writers do more with it. Sansa says she used to think Tyrion was the cleverest man alive. Guess she just watched the episode where he tells everyone to go north and capture an undead person: it's enough to change anyone's mind.

- Reunion the third: its Jon and Arya! They shared one scene together in season 1 and now they are reunited at last! Arya still has needle, the sword Jon gave her, but seems reluctant to divulge into detail about what she’s done and where she’s been. She stands up for Sansa and says she’s the smartest person she’s ever met. U wot m8? Since when? Since you and her fell out in the last season for the stupidest reason ever before being rescued by your brother, the guy who literally does know everything? Why does everyone feel the need to comment on other people’s intelligence on this show? I liked that no music played during this scene and thought it would be cheesier than it ended up being so props for that.

- Kings Landing! Cersei is glad that the dead have broken through the wall, reminding us that she is indeed a bad guy. Euron arrives with the golden company he went to get and Yara is his captive. Another balls joke is made, and I resist the urge to skip ahead. I wish we were shown more of the mute crew, that’s a creepy concept. Euron’s entire motivation seems to be that he wants to bang the queen but of course everyone knows that the queen is just using him for an army and that he’s not actually going to bang the queen haha.

- Euron bangs the queen but not before explaining how many men he’s brought. Its 20k but some died cos someone cheated at dice but Euron can’t remember if it was them or him that cheated lolzy. Cersei is disappointed they didn’t bring elephants. Doesn’t matter though, she’ll still end up getting Euron’s trunk soon enough wayhaaaaay. Euron is desperate to bang the queen but Cersei says if he wants a whore he should buy one and if he wants a queen he should earn her. Euron is insolent towards her and they leave the room together to bang approximately ten seconds later.

- Bronn engages in a boring sex scene with three prostitutes. It’s not funny and Bronn annoys me. “Which girl?" haha Classic Bronn. Qyburn arrives to inform him that Cersei is willing to pay him loads to kill her brothers. He agrees because Bronn just loves gold and prostitutes and booze. I, for one, cannot wait to see how Bronn decides not to kill Tyrion or Jaime.

- Euron has banged the queen but doesn’t seem to have done a good job as she continues to pine for the elephants. Its probably for the best they didn’t bring them as they’d take up far too much of the budget and we’d miss out on more dragon scenes which simply would not do. The fat king sucked in bed apparently, finally now we know. Euron says he’s gonna put a prince in her belly. There’s already one there mate, but Cersei is drinking wine so maybe there isn’t idk.

- The guards on Euron’s ship are shot by arrows and die. This would’ve been an opportune time to make more of the fact that they’re mute but the scene is over before we know it and Theon has rescued Yara. I like that there’s no dialogue during this part: the show is usually better when no one is speaking.

- When they do start speaking it is quite nice though. Yara seems quite smart and wants to hide from the white walkers on the iron islands. More folk should do that, but no one likes the ironborns, especially the writers, so I guess everyone would rather die on the mainland than be stuck with them on their smelly island. She lets Theon go to Winterfell to help the Starks. This part is very rushed but its probably for the best, the ironborn haven’t gotten much attention on the show and there’s no time to make them interesting now so they might as well just get it out of the way and move on. Theon will probably die redeeming himself which would be a nice end to a decent character.

- Back to the north where Tyrion disses Davos’ sigil which is an onion. Davos cannot respond to this devastating putdown as Tyrion’s own sigil is a lion which is universally considered badass. Tyrion then has a go at Davos’ age. Davos smirks but it is clear that another intriguing feud is boiling underneath the surface here. With five episodes left, I expect this conflict to be developed and resolved in a satisfactory matter amidst the war of the living vs the dead. Davos proposes that Dany and Jon should marry because they are the main characters.

- I notice that Jon and Dany are both very small. This makes me feel superior to both and I am momentarily pleased until I am reminded that they have two dragons and I currently have none. They go to visit the dragons who are both very fake looking in this scene and apparently not eating because they don’t like the north. Dany gets on the dragon for no reason and tells Jon to get on the other one. He does this despite having no training or knowledge of dragons. Then the most embarrassing thing ever happens and they start flying the dragons around the mountains for a while and it reminds me of when Harry Potter flies the hippogriff in Harry Potter except the effects are much worse here and we see barely any emotion from the characters. I have no idea why this scene was included and I want it to die.

- Another most embarrassing thing ever happens straight after. Jon says Dany has ruined horses for him forever. Ok. Anyway, they see a waterfall which I think is a throwback to the caves Jon and his ex once banged in. Dany even says she wishes they could stay there for a thousand years but that would make them pretty old as Jon shrewdly points out, proving that it is in fact Jon who is the smartest person after all. They start kissing and I’m reminded of when Jon’s uncle warned him of all the things he’d be giving up to join the Nights Watch in the first episode: love, titles, family etc. I’ve always thought Jon was the main character on the show but even so it’s a bit ridiculous how he’s faced very little consequences from his own actions throughout and essentially become a king and the lover to the most beautiful woman in the world. And even when he finally did face consequences for his stupid honourable decisions in season 5 he just came back like nothing happened. “feck you Jon you perfect bastard”, I yell vehemently at my screen, enraged as he awkwardly smooches Dany in the snow. He is distracted by the fact that the dragons are watching them and the adverts mercifully spare me from exploding with cringe.

- Reunion the fourth: Arya and the Hound! Arya stands up to the Hound when he’s being mean to Gendry for forging weapons for them to use in the final fight. They are very cold to one another. I miss the Hound and Arya adventures they were quite fun back in the day.

- Reunion the fifth: TWO reunions in one scene say whaaat!?!? Gendry and Arya tease one another and a romantic subplot is set up. Gendry shamelessly steals the guy from the Princess Bride’s chat up line but Arya doesn’t appear to have seen the film as it works on her. I hope both characters never find happiness and die painfully. As a side note that drawing Arya gives Gendry is pitiful. I know she’s an assassin not an artist but come on it's like drawing someone a picture of a plane and telling him to build it.

- Back to Sansa and Jon. Sansa seems so bored about everything as she explains that House Glover have foolishly chosen to die off-camera rather than potentially survive with the main characters in Winterfell. She explains that Jon’s at fault because he doesn’t want to be king in the north anymore then asks him if he’s fighting for Dany because he loves her or if its just to help the north. Why can’t it be both? It is obviously both. We're not given an answer however as the eastenders theme plays in the background and we are taken to the next scene.

- Why does Sam get such a fright when he sees Dany in the library? Was he beating his meat or something? Probably not but it was so dark I couldn’t tell. The scene that follows is quite nice and probably the episode’s best as Sam learns that his family were burned alive. The camera holds on his face for so long that it becomes uncomfortable, but the acting is good and I like that this may have consequences later regarding peoples views on whether Dany will be a fair ruler or not.

- Sam goes outside where Bran suddenly decides that it’s time to tell Jon the truth because not much has happened in this episode and there are only ten minutes left. So Sam goes down to the crypts and tells Jon he’s Aegon Targaryen which Jon believes after about five seconds of minor doubt. I guess after all that he’s been through and all the interviews he’s had to give before the premiere Jon’s worked out at this point that he’s the main character so it’s easy enough to accept the fact that his entire upbringing was a lie. I had hoped that Jon would never find out and that his past would be something that we the audience knew but no one else did which would’ve been a nice way of avoiding the typical fantasy chosen one cliché. Sam then starts voicing his doubts about Dany based on the fact she justifiably executed the man who tormented and bullied Sam throughout his entire life and Jon himself seems unsure. Is that more conflict I smell? Hopefully it doesn’t get in the way of the Davos-Tyrion feud. Also, why is Jon’s name Aegon? Didn’t Rhaegar have another son who was called Aegon that the mountain killed when he was a child? So Rhaegar had two sons called Aegon born, at the most, a couple of years apart from one another? Classic Rhaegar.

- Next up we’re shown what I assume is the Umbar’s castle where the kid ran off too earlier. It’s night time now and everyone is dead. Tormund and Beric wander around the ruins and it’s quite tense and creepy but it’s all spoiled when they bump into Ed and there’s some cheap jokes thrown in and I become angry again. We see the sign of the white walkers on the wall where the boy Umbar is dead. I spend the next two seconds mourning the loss of this character. What’s up with that sign the white walkers keep using by the way? Is it like their calling card so we know it was them who killed all these people? If so, thank god it’s there because for a while I simply assumed Tyrion and Davos’ feud had escalated into the Umbar’s castle with disastrous consequences. They get me an absolute belter with the jump scare at this part and my rage grows.

- Reunion the sixth: The episode ends with Jaime arriving at Winterfell in disguise. I like Jaime he’s one of good guys. He sees Bran staring at him. Bran did this earlier with Tyrion. I think this is the show’s ingenious way of communicating to us that Bran, the character who knows everything, knows something. I like that this is the last and best reunion as Jaime’s decision to push Bran out the window is what started most of this shit off. It’s weird that the episode ends here though as it solidifies the point that almost nothing happened for 50 minutes.

- Conclusion: more of the same shit tbh. The writing, plot, dialogue etc. have been messy since season 4 (5 if we’re being generous) so I had no expectations there, but I thought that this episode did a terrible job of building suspense for the main conflict of the show as the white walkers weren’t shown at all nor did we see any proper preparations at Winterfell aside from the dragonglass. I haven’t seen the preview of the next episode but I’m going to assume that they’re all going to be too busy focusing on Jaime’s return and what to do with him rather than actually discussing strategy. If this has an actual consequence on the battle then I’ll probably be okay with it but, let’s face it, it probably won’t. Given that there’s only six episodes this season, the decision to have the premiere basically catching everyone up to speed and focusing on largely unemotional, fanservicey character reunions is bizarre as is splurging a lot of the budget on a fake-ass looking romcom sequence that largely accomplishes sweet feck all. The camera work, as usual, is as boring and uncreative as ever: scenes consistently continue to show two or three characters doing nothing but spouting terribly written dialogue in a single, dull location. You could argue that Jon being told of his origins is one of the most important moments in the show (I wish it wasn’t but that’s how it’s been set up) yet they decided to shoot it in a dark location, jumping back and forth between two characters, one of whom is expositioning everything to the other like a convenient Wikipedia page in need of a citation check. It’s just so lazy and you can tell the showrunners have completely run out of steam at this point (I personally believe they lost most of their motivation after the Red Wedding) and are happy to just hit the major plot points and throw in a few grand battle sequences that'll see them sweep up all the awards they’ll likely get for all this bs.

- Can’t wait for next week 3/10
I enjoyed that and it echoed some of my own feelings. Although I felt you missed some stuff and I don't agree with all of it, I enjoyed reading it.
 
How many just hate-watching this now?
 
How many just hate-watching this now?

Not at all. It's stupid, and poorly written now, but it's a good spectacle and we know it has an end in 5 eps, so it's worth sticking with. If anyone watches to hate, then it's stupid, however I don't see many opinions that are arguable.

Walking dead was the only show I grew to hate, so I just stopped watching it. The thread on here was far more entertaining :lol:
 
Well that was pure shite. I thought last season was Pirates of Caribian but this new episode is even worse.

Edit: I noticed my post about an official trailer was deleted as "spoiler". Is there guidelines for spoilers for this thread simewhere?